Pakistan’s Choice

#578 by Romair on August 5, 2005 8:06am PT


This is where the best outlet is to bring in people from India (who by the way, actually get paid less than Pakistanis).


You don`t know what you`re talking about...do you even know how much good people make in India....some of my friends who have been working for infosys are now $$ millionaires....not Rupee, $$...

Re: # 584 So you meant the no. 2 there? haha

Re: # 584 So you meant the no. 2 there? haha

Southasian #583,
As I understand it, the word ``Mian`` in Lucknow and other areas of UP refers to several things:
1. Mian can refer to young noble lad - e.g. son of landlord
2. Mian can refer to a woman`s husband - e.g Un ke miyan ne yeh kaha
3. Mian can be used affectionately or sarcastically to denote overly polite - e.g. kiya haal hen Miyan Sahib ke?
4. People call their parrots Mithoo MiaN

I read that in Gujarat, Mian is used by Hindus to refer to Muslims.

Salim

Re: # 582 Chauhan Saheb, Could you tell me about the tehzib of this word Mian please? I hope its not derogatory.

rsridhar,
I thought that Indians, especially Hindus, were very tolerant and provided refuge to those in need. Several days ago, I publicly apologized to you, on one of these FP boards, that I am sorry for using a nic similar to yours. I also explained my reason for doing that - circumventing Chowk Staff censors who want to muzzle my viewpoints. I also stated that I selected your name, because of its honorable status and friendliness.
Nevertheless, you chose to ignore my appeal and have resorted to defensive and arrogant insults. Too bad, BHAINS KE AGE BEEN BAJANA .....:)

Salim

Sri miyan,
You should feel honored that someone would want to have their nic resemble your name.
Nothing sinister mister. But then, I never realized you were a jihadist when it came to your own name.
Salim

#559 by rsridhar on August 4, 2005 4:33pm PT
re: this rsribhar character
Just for records, this rsribhar character is someone totally different from me.
Sridhar


NOTICE TO ALL.

Just because this rsridhar character attempts to walk on two legs, pretends to have a brain, and is extremely proud of his South Indian name, he is really totally different from me. Of course, I am not responsible for any debts, promises, or contracts incurred by this primate. :)

Salim.

#560 by rsridhar on August 4, 2005 4:48pm PT
re:#519 by rsribhar
Salim Miyan,
``Any blue-blooded Hiindu would say ``Jalim.``
Perhaps one without a brain!
Even a south indian like me, who grew up in Delhi watching Bollywood movies, learnt enough Urdu to know how to pronounce not just Zalim but also words like Zakhm, Zameer etc etc. Only u morons think your language is the greatest and nobody else can speak it.
BTW, Salim miyan, your assuming a name similar to my own is in bad taste.
Sridhar``}

Sridhar,
You get an ``A`` in Urdu diction. Now, get yourself that brain you mentioned.

BTW, you are not entirely correct. The majority of Pakis cannot speak Urdu correctly - yes the Urdu language is one of the richest in the world, because it borrows at will from Hindustani, Arabic, Farsi, and even some Turkish.

So, having a name sounding like yours is in bad taste. I will defer to you on that. I never thought that your name was in bad taste, but if you say so ...

Also, Sri, I am not your MIAN. :)
Salim.

Mantolive #566: Thanks for the info......

I have done a great detail of research in this area, regarding Pakistan. In fact, that is all I have been doing for around six months. Different sectors have different applications that are in use, in Pakistan (and in the rest of the world). The Pakistani financial sector (banks, insurance companies, etc.) are primarily Oracle. With some SAS. And some little known products from Singapore etc. However, Oracle is leading and will continue to lead, in Pakistan, in this space, due to various reasons (too detailed to mention here). Specifically now with their purchase of PeopleSoft.

The main issues in Pakistan, at the moment, are a lack of skill-sets. There is hardly anyone trained to implement these products. However, the govt. and the various private companies, due to the boom in the economy, now have a lot of money to spend. Anyone in Pakistan, with even intermediate level expertise in the ERP products, can make a fortune (by Pakistani standards). This is where the best outlet is to bring in people from India (who by the way, actually get paid less than Pakistanis).

I am, personally, not an Oracle person, technically. However, all my research indicates that Oracle is the best shot in Pakistan, specifically in the financial space..........

This thread promises to touch 1000 now!

Re: # 574


That too makes sense....

Shankar has proved to be quite the Clarence Darrow then...

Manto says,

The fact of the matter is that we (Rozaiba and I) are the true inheritors of the progressive spirit of Iqbal`s message ... much better than Iqbal Academy or people
like you who selectively quote him for your own ends.

So lets see what these true inheritors have to say about Iqbal.

Manto on another Board writes,

`` Rozaiba...
Tone it down with the Bala-bashing man... remember Basant annually... wink. We don`t want to be permanently banned.
But great points as usual... Iqbal was a man of his times... most of it sadly is irrelevant to our present condition. ``The true end of government`` is in my opinion a much more relevant book of ideology for Pakistan than Iqbal`s philosophy. ``

And the true inheritors accuse others of ``selectively qoute him``.


btw, those great points that Manto is agreeing are

`` However, let`s take this from the reference of ol man Bala. Ol man Bala is an Indian poet. The Mahmud`s and Taimur`s have pillaged regions that were part of his `hindustan` and run off elsewhere - unlike say the Mughal dynasty etc.

What fascination is he trying to arouse in the Indian Muslim using such figures?

The problem is that glorifying such figures is part of the larger attempt to ignite pan-islamic delusions. It is these delusions that convulate the perceptions of history. ``

For more truths of Manto

http://naseeb.com/naseebvibes/talkbacks.php?tbSortBy=&newOffset=10&start=1&aid=3787#talkback

Re: # 573 Sorry, I thought he put you on a kind of Monkey Trial here. I think Haroon should be more worried about this lacuna rather than worrying about what the teacher said about Eid. However, I have no intention of raking up the issue again.

Re: # 572

What different reason...

I mentioned it for the same... by not teaching kids evolution (After the 1980s atleast) we have kept them illiterate and out of sync with the rest of the world...

Haroon I am sure did study evolution as did I ... given our privileged backgrounds.

Just read a bit about the `Monkey Trial` Manto just mentioned. Interesting how an Islamiyat teacher would react to Darwin`s theory. I know here he mentioned it for a different reason.