Pakistan’s Choice

re#10

Repeating my reply to one khansaab in another thread. This is apt for haroonellahi aswell

Alas, yet another Paki living in self delusion! One never ceases to bump into these diehard types. It is the “we ruled over you” obsession gripping the likes of you that has already taken Pakistan down the drain over the years. Always trying to flex its muscles, thinking that India is just a walk over ( agli namaz Dilli ki Ja’ama masjid mein parhengay ), getting defeated, nay, ousted, routed and dismembered, yet ready to go for another round, like the famous defeated pehalwan who is forever dreaming of chitt karaoing the one that floored him. One just wonders how long you guys are going to get beaten, aren’t you ever going to stop? We are told that in your military academies the gentleman cadets have to take an oath that they shall avenge the defeat of 1971. Ab buss karo! Khansaheb,you have become fat on crumbs thrown at you by the Saudis and other Arabs, and we suppose therefrom this masti . But for how long are you going to keep begging these Sheiks? You renamed Lyallpur as Faisalabad to express your gratitude to the Saudis ( how subservient a qaum can get?), you have named a stadium in Lahore after Gaddafi during a visit when he is said to have come close to the IndoPak border and shouted abuses and spat at India. Remember, the Arab oil is running out, so the Arabs are not going to indulge in a terrorist state for long ( Pakis are suspected of involvement in terror attacks in Arab countries, maybe as a mark of gratitude to the Arabs for their largesses?).
The names of Ghazni, Ghori etc. that you and your ilk keep repeating, for heaven’s sake, cannot be appropriated by you as your own. Your forefathers were Indians and Hindus at that (your mother tongue which is either Punjabi, Sindhi or Avadhi/Bhojpuri/brajwasi(Urdu) clearly establishes that) and not these foreign raiders, looters and rapists. You are us. Your real forefathers also partook of cow urine, so you have it in your blood as much as the Indians !Your great great grandmothers, great great great grand mothers and great great great great grand mothers ( go back for 1200 years, as per your count) were raped by these outsiders and their progeny changed their religion ( obviously not voluntarily). So how much ever you try to appropriate to yourself the ancestry of the attacking hordes from Central Asia, you are nothing but Indians who turned Paki.

As far as defecating crowds, a friend from Central Asia still remembers that he cannot get out of his system the stench of human dung he experienced during his visit to Karachi recently.
For your kind information, as per the latest UN statistics, India’s per capita income is USD 550 where as Pakistan’s is USD 480.

Re: # 566

Romair,

While I am not sure the nature of your investment in Pakistan... Prime Minister Aziz visited Malaysia and decided to go SAP route for business management software... The Pakistan Software Export Board is now heavily investing in training its personnel in SAP... Oracle I am afraid is old news though it has massive implementation in the accounting sector.

BTW... it is good to see that the Jehadi spirit has dissipated making room for such secular endeavors as education ... etc

My advice to haroon and other like minded fellows... read what Shankar said and then read up on the famous Monkey Trial from 1925... to see how great nations ought to progress...

The problem with Mr Elahi is that he doesn`t care to read what one says but mouths off on what he imagines they are saying. Now he is quoting ``Goerring`` to prove a point about those he doesn`t agree with. Perhaps he doesn`t know who Goerring was...

May I relieve you Mr Elahi of the burden you have unnecessarily taken upon yourself. The word elite used in post 10 was very much a sarcastic note. I define the word elite quite differently .... to me its a positive word.... You are merely what I call hereditary rich... while your friend Don is the scion of the old order, probably without the noble values that old order might have carried.

The beauty of the Haveli is that more than 5000 people come to that party and I happen to be personally friends with some of Mr Yusuf Sallahuddin`s nephews. Knowing the ``Khandan-e-Iqbal``, I would not describe them as necessarily belonging to the old order of the hereditary rich. Iqbal was very much middle class and Mian Sallahuddin was an inner city strongman... they are to Lahore basically what Italians and the Irish are to New York. There is no bar on the middle class becoming elite or rich.. which is why I like the term Bourgeoisie better... the issue is not with the business class, professionals etc making it big...


Escapist,

Both Rozaiba and I are much bigger fans of Ol` Man Bala who we admire for his Ijtehadi reformist thought. We criticise him for being too ambigious in his poetry (but NOT in his philosophy) and giving you, the kind who abused him during his life time, reason to own him as their own... The fact of the matter is that we (Rozaiba and I) are the true inheritors of the progressive spirit of Iqbal`s message ... much better than Iqbal Academy or people
like you who selectively quote him for your own ends.

-YLH

Re: # 546

arjun_M,

You are a noble descendant of Shivaji...

You carry on his noble tradition of giving these Paki katlus regular kick-in-the butts...when they spew bs on Chowk...

Keep up the good work, pal;

My perspicacity says its Haroon`s way of saying ...
``I.m sorry I was an arrogant jerk``

I`ll be leaving beloved Bombay in a few hrs.
I`m PROUD at the way millions of Bombayites took the freak monsoon flood in their stride....
And STILL...MILLIONS of them reported to work everyday!!

If its reflective of our nations` ``WORK ETHIC``..
I have no DOUBT that this Holy Land will be a super-power in a few decades..
(Hopefully in my lifetime)

CHATTRAPATI SHIVAJI MAHARAJ KI JAY!!!!!

Goodbye (for now)...
my beloved Chowkies!!:)))

Godot #various: You had mentioned you are an Oracle consultant. For the past four months, I have, with a couple of Pakistani and Indian acquitances, been planning a software company in Pakistan. We think this is the time to get in on the ground floor for a partnership between Indian and Pakistani companies......It will be heavily Oracle focused. If a couple of things work out, I will go back to Pakistan..........Would you be willing to go back, and join us? i.e. are you willing to walk the walk for the betterment of Pakistan.............

Godot #511: Yes, I think on the whole we do agree, on most things.

You have an interesting bio. Quite the self-made person. Which is impressive. I thought you were my age. Seems like you are quite a bit older. Perhaps ten years........I was able to pick up the fact that you have not spend too much of your life in Pakistan. This was quite obvious to me, from your comments and your article..........Which is why I asked you......Apparently only ten years, and that too as a kid. And in Karachi only.....``Since then, barring four short visits to Pakistan and as many to Canada, I have lived in America, my adopted country, continuously.``

Two points I would like to highlight:

- Please study the history of Sufism in Punjab and Sind. Study it in great detail. Study the historical cultural development of Islam, within the boundaries of the Punjabi and Sindhi environmetns. Study the works of the Bulleh Shah, Shah Latif, Shah Hussian, Sachal Sarmast, etc. etc. Go deep into them........

- Also if you get the chance, try to live in rural Pakistan for a year or two. Outside of Lahore, Karachi, Islamabad - which are all artificial Pakistan. Rural Pakistan is the hearland of Pakistan..........Anyone who has not lived there doesn`t understand Pakistan........

After that, you will realize why mullah-type Islam can never establish itself in Pakistan. And why over hundreds of years, it has never established itself. The only successess it has had is when Pakistan govt. has tried to tie itself too closely with the USA foreign policies, in its various adventures in the region.........Please keep in mind that Sheeda Tulli (Sheikh Rashid) - a bachelor who is famous for his various affairs with film actresses - alone, won as many NA seats (two) as every single religious party in Pakistan, combined, was able to win......After 54 years history of MMA, this is all it was able to achieve in Pakistan (2 seats), despite the fact that Pakistan`s more secular govts. have been massively corrupt and incompetent........And as I keep saying, had the USA not attacked Afghanistan in such a manner, it would still be at 2..........

This is despite the fact that during that time, Pakistan was surrounded on all sides by religious govts. - there was a religious govt. in Afghanistan (Taliban), one in Iran (Khatami) and one in India (BJP).........

This is why mullahs don`t scare me, as far as Pakistan is concerned. And why I think they are only a mere nuisance that will disappear the moment a competent non-mullah/non-feudal govt. appears. Anyone who understands the heartland of Pakistan, knows mullahs have no basis there.......They will only appear as a reaction to the USA, or if people are completely fed up with feudal parties (even after that, the mullahs stay will be quite short-lived). Which is why I am against Pakistan doing everything the USA wants..........It should only do some things, and never against the wishes of its own awam.....

Go to Data Darbar and see the crowd. Go to concerts of Abida Parveen singing Bulleh Shah. And see how mast people get. Go listen to Attaullah Niazi singing in an outdoor concert in backwards Mianwali. Go to any of the urs and see people drunk on bhang, dancing away, taking Allah`s name......that is the ethos and Islamic core of an overwheling % of Pakistan. Quite a bit different from the Taliban......

The Quran and science

On the mountains being like paperweights:

Q. 16:15 And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest IT [the earth] should shake with you; and rivers and roads; that ye may guide yourselves; Y. Ali



Q. 31:10 He created the heavens without any pillars THAT YE CAN SEE; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds. We send down rain from the sky, and produce on the earth every kind of noble creature, in pairs. Pickthall



On the sky falling on your head:

Q. 22:65 Do you not see that Allah has made subservient to you whatsoever is in the earth and the ships running in the sea by His command? And He withholds the heaven FROM FALLING ON THE EARTH except with His permission; most surely Allah is Compassionate, Merciful to men. Shakir



On the merits of the Flat Earth Society (with the mountains as pegs):

Q. 88:20 Nor even how the earth has been FLATTENED out?


Q. 78:6-7 Have WE not made the earth AS A BED, And the mountains AS PEGS? Sher Ali



On Allah building the heavens without any cracks:

Q. 50:6-7 What, have they not beheld heaven above them, how We have built it, and decked it out fair, AND IT HAS NO CRACKS? And the earth -- We stretched it forth, and cast on it firm mountains, and We caused to grow therein of every joyous kind ... Arberry



More later....

:-)

Re: # 513

Mr Elahi,

Since I have so RUDELY invited myself to Chowk....

{{Introduction of Chemistry, Physics, Liberal Art Subjects, non-Islamic literature, and `Civic Studies` co-existing peacefully with Islamic studies should be the norm.}}

Just how da` f*ck does Pakistani Islam EXIST PEACEFULLY with Science...

The first Paki scientist who says
``Gee...looks like Darwin`s Survival of the Fittest
or the ``Theory of Evolution`` makes sense..``

He will be arrested for blasphemy. While in jail he will be murdered by a dukkar Paki fellow inmate. That inmate will be given a ``mullah`` pardon for being a valiant mujahadeen of Islam.
And the ``cycle of Paki life``...
will go on & on...
till your blighted nation drowns in the gutter it has dug for itself.

While all you ``islam ka mashoor pehelwans`` are drowning in your own filth...
You can collectively gasp

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``IT WAS A HINDU_JEWISH_CHRISTIAN_BHUDDIST`` conspiracy!!!

Re: # 511

godot,

{{I may not live in Pakistan anymore and have given up its citizenship, but I do have a great deal of affinity for Pakistan and am a well-wisher of that country.}}

You tell him; kid!!!
...
besides what gives ``his highness`` the right to speak for Pakistan?

He`s just an ISI mole who hi-tailed it out of Amrika, when 911 happened..
(Maybe the FBI has a file on him)
& sought refuge in a rat-hole in Canukistan..

His ``cover strory``...I work for an Indian..
I meet 1000s of Indians everyday,
I know everything about everything...
has been blown to smithereens!

{{. I do not consider Pakistani mullahs to be “the” problem for Pakistan, either. I just shudder at the thought what would follow if they grab power in Pakistan.}}

Trust me...
the army, the ISI & the Azaaaad Kashmiris have been sleeping in the same bed as the mullahs.
Each party has been USING each other, for their OWN shameless agenda

Each side seems to think that ``the other`` isnt the main problem...
they use each other to have an orgy with the innocent awaam of Pakistan...

Yup!
They are the TRUE patriots of Pakistan...
Gee.....the ``smell`` his EVIL patriotism...
wafts all the way to Amrikistan...

Its because of BUTTfakhrs like him...
innocent Pakis are being harrassed in Amrika everyday..

Khuda Hafiz

Re: # 507

{{Hai ram! yeh kya keh rahe ho!!
Mere dil ke huzaar tukde kar ke rakh diye, zalim. Aab mein iss jindagi se kya ummedein rakhun! }}

hahaha!

Since you are in such a self-flagellating mode; my friend...

May I HUMBLY suggest...
its time to SLIT your wrists

If you cant handle profanity like ``F*ck`` & ``s*it``
may I humbly suggest...
leave Chowk & go to your nearest temple & purify your prudish soul

but thanks anyway for the entertainment..
busy shrinks can take a vacation, once in a while,
to beloved Bombay...

& since itsso rainy & miserable in BELOVED Bombay...

its been fun f*cking with dull Northie minds...
like yours

re:#519 by rsribhar
Salim Miyan,
``Any blue-blooded Hiindu would say ``Jalim.``
Perhaps one without a brain!
Even a south indian like me, who grew up in Delhi watching Bollywood movies, learnt enough Urdu to know how to pronounce not just Zalim but also words like Zakhm, Zameer etc etc. Only u morons think your language is the greatest and nobody else can speak it.
BTW, Salim miyan, your assuming a name similar to my own is in bad taste.
Sridhar

re: this rsribhar character
Just for records, this rsribhar character is someone totally different from me.
Sridhar

Haroon,

Thats an intersting point!

Mantolives on some other board was even suggesting to Rozaiba that they should stop criticizing Dr Iqbal (Bala as they say) because it can ban their entry to haveli.

Kitna mauqa shinaas hai.

Manto is our hero.
Manto for president!

Since I am eltisit filth, I will take my Indian guest(s) in eltisit filth, introduce them to eltisit filth, and take them to elitisit parties as well (Why un-elitisit ppl were at the Havali i fail to understand, since they claim to be naik middle class?) and then later interact with the un-eltisit un-filthy Pakistani Chowkis aswell (Mantolives, Hellboundetc). hehe

nahin arjun you definately have to come. Just email me if the scene develops. Ciao.

Cuckoo`s...name sounds like a sardar da dhaba.