Pakistan’s Choice
Godot July 28, 2005
#50 Posted by MantoLives on July 29, 2005 3:53:37 am
Re: # 26
Shoresaab,
While I agree with your censure of haroonelahi, I must point out that this more Indian Muslims than Pakistani Muslims is not based in fact. The total estimated population of Pakistan is 150 million + out which 145 million atleast are Muslims. India`s Muslims are between 115 Million to 135 million. My source is a high ranking Indian Federal Minister who I had a long discussion with. He claimed that Indian Muslims were 115 Million.
Sincerely
Yasser Hamdani
Shoresaab,
While I agree with your censure of haroonelahi, I must point out that this more Indian Muslims than Pakistani Muslims is not based in fact. The total estimated population of Pakistan is 150 million + out which 145 million atleast are Muslims. India`s Muslims are between 115 Million to 135 million. My source is a high ranking Indian Federal Minister who I had a long discussion with. He claimed that Indian Muslims were 115 Million.
Sincerely
Yasser Hamdani
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#87 Posted by southasian on July 29, 2005 2:10:36 pm
Re: # 85 Haroon: Interesting that Nehru might be responsible for the mess towards the west of your eastern border and the state to the east of it.
#88 Posted by Gandiv on July 29, 2005 2:19:06 pm
Re: # 85
What an insightful analysis and blissful realization! Bravo Psychic Newton!
Though you missed a few points
...that the Earth is flat laid out like a carpet by Allah
...that Jehad is the only way forward to re-establish muslim empire
...that Musharraf is an agent of extremist Hindus sent to destroy Pakistan
...that Kashmir is about to fall in your mouth by the time you yawn next time
...that kafirs have no right to live on planet earth
...that kafirs will burn in hell and till they live, earth will turn into hell for them
What an insightful analysis and blissful realization! Bravo Psychic Newton!
Though you missed a few points
...that the Earth is flat laid out like a carpet by Allah
...that Jehad is the only way forward to re-establish muslim empire
...that Musharraf is an agent of extremist Hindus sent to destroy Pakistan
...that Kashmir is about to fall in your mouth by the time you yawn next time
...that kafirs have no right to live on planet earth
...that kafirs will burn in hell and till they live, earth will turn into hell for them
#85 Posted by HaroonEllahi on July 29, 2005 1:57:21 pm
Re: # 26
I have analyzed the situation and have come to a realization,I am not the one living in a dream. The Hindus of India blame us for the partititon of their motherland, even though one it was the inflexibility of Nehru & Co., which actually caused the alienation of the Muslim League and hence her seperatist urgencies.
Also, our state governments do not turn a blind-eye to the rape, torcher, massacre, and GENOCIDE of Muslim men, women, and childern. I can name a country East of our Eastern borders, where certain state governments do. And these hindu extremists also fancy taking down a couple of thousand Sikhs every decade or so, you know what I`m talking about!
pfftt..
I have analyzed the situation and have come to a realization,I am not the one living in a dream. The Hindus of India blame us for the partititon of their motherland, even though one it was the inflexibility of Nehru & Co., which actually caused the alienation of the Muslim League and hence her seperatist urgencies.
Also, our state governments do not turn a blind-eye to the rape, torcher, massacre, and GENOCIDE of Muslim men, women, and childern. I can name a country East of our Eastern borders, where certain state governments do. And these hindu extremists also fancy taking down a couple of thousand Sikhs every decade or so, you know what I`m talking about!
pfftt..
#26 Posted by ShoreSahib on July 28, 2005 5:10:10 pm
Re: # 13
You are filled with Hate and comtempt.
You forget that there are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan.
You are filled with Hate and comtempt.
You forget that there are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan.
#13 Posted by HaroonEllahi on July 28, 2005 2:14:50 pm
There can never be genuine peace with India if India continues to deny the people of Kashmir their unalienable rights.
Arjun, Iran-Pakistan-Central Asia relationship will manifest itself into a relationship, where all parties will have increased self-interests in the existence of the other. Just wait and see how hindustan will be humialated, you guys have gotten used to it any ways, remeber the 1000 years of Muslim rule? :^)
Arjun, Iran-Pakistan-Central Asia relationship will manifest itself into a relationship, where all parties will have increased self-interests in the existence of the other. Just wait and see how hindustan will be humialated, you guys have gotten used to it any ways, remeber the 1000 years of Muslim rule? :^)
#17 Posted by khare on July 28, 2005 3:06:04 pm
Re: # 15 Harronelahi
``.....But here is my advice, why don`t you SUGGEST a method to counter the problem(s)....``
The first step for corecting (countering) anything is to admit and come to an understanding that past policies and strategies were wrong. Actual correcting will come after that. But, I don`t think you have taken the first step. You still think Pakistan should continue following the same course. In fact, you think that this course will lead to a much bettter future ....
``......... Iran-Pakistan-Central Asia relationship will manifest itself into a relationship, where all parties will have increased self-interests in the existence of the other. Just wait and see how hindustan will be humialated, you guys have gotten used to it any ways, remeber the 1000 years of Muslim rule? :^)........``
How can anyone take ``corrective steps`` when you think nothing is wrong and, on top of it, has better rewards in future by staying the course?
``.....But here is my advice, why don`t you SUGGEST a method to counter the problem(s)....``
The first step for corecting (countering) anything is to admit and come to an understanding that past policies and strategies were wrong. Actual correcting will come after that. But, I don`t think you have taken the first step. You still think Pakistan should continue following the same course. In fact, you think that this course will lead to a much bettter future ....
``......... Iran-Pakistan-Central Asia relationship will manifest itself into a relationship, where all parties will have increased self-interests in the existence of the other. Just wait and see how hindustan will be humialated, you guys have gotten used to it any ways, remeber the 1000 years of Muslim rule? :^)........``
How can anyone take ``corrective steps`` when you think nothing is wrong and, on top of it, has better rewards in future by staying the course?
#15 Posted by HaroonEllahi on July 28, 2005 2:27:47 pm
And for the record, you guys should actually be suggesting idea`s to counter whatever you think supposedly is happening in the country as opposed to writting fiery-articles disgracing the Pakistani nation.
It`s always blah blah blee blee bloo blooo bleee blooo! Okay, fine, we get it. But here is my advice, why don`t you SUGGEST a method to counter the problem(s).
This goes out to all the self-styled writers on Chowk, of whom a distinct minority only air ideas as to HOW we can tackle the problems. pfft..
It`s always blah blah blee blee bloo blooo bleee blooo! Okay, fine, we get it. But here is my advice, why don`t you SUGGEST a method to counter the problem(s).
This goes out to all the self-styled writers on Chowk, of whom a distinct minority only air ideas as to HOW we can tackle the problems. pfft..
#16 Posted by kaurasach on July 28, 2005 2:57:30 pm
For four years now, I have argued repeatedly that the footprint of every major act of international terrorism passes inexorably through Pakistan, and I had an extended list compiled of hundreds of incidents that confirm this thesis, which was widely circulated. Many Pakistani commentators and sympathisers attacked this evidence as `Indian propaganda`.
But in his address to the nation on July 21, 2005, spurred by the second series of terrorist attacks in London in two weeks, Pakistan`s President, General Pervez Musharraf, finally conceded, ``Wherever these extremist or terrorist incidents occur in the world, a direct or indirect connection is established with this country (Pakistan).``
Of course, the admission was merely tactical, in keeping with his past record. Every time there is a major incident of terrorism, particularly in the West, and the linkages to Pakistan emerge, there is a flurry of ostensible activity - some arrests are made, the President makes another speech declaring unstinting support to the `global war against terror` and the need for `enlightened moderation`, a handful of supposed `Al Qaeda terrorists` are killed off in some remote hinterland in Waziristan - to convince the `international community` that he is the bulwark they need against the tide of extremism in Pakistan.
This is a smokescreen and in his speech on the evening of the second attack on London`s public transport system, the admission was quickly followed by an assertion: In his `message to Prime Minister Tony Blair`, he declaimed, ``Aspersions are being cast in the media on Pakistan. We certainly have a problem, which we are trying to address. Britain also has a problem that needs to be addressed.`` He argued that, while three persons of Pakistani origin were involved in the 7/7 London attacks, the fourth was a Jamaican; if the Pakistanis were indoctrinated in Pakistan, where did the Jamaican get indoctrinated? He declared, further, that several extremist organisations operated with impunity in England, and this - not the training camps in Pakistan - was the source of Britain`s troubles. He noted, moreover, that the `Pakistanis` involved in the 7/7 incidents were `born and bred and educated` in Britain.
………………
July 11: Afghan authorities arrested five men, including a Pakistani national, and foiled a series of planned bombings across the country. On the same day, police arrested a man armed with weapons and explosives. He had studied at two Pakistani religious schools and planned to bomb electoral centres and offices as part of a five-man team, the other members of which escaped.
July 7: At least three of the bombers who carried out the terrorist attacks in London were British males of Pakistani origin, had recently visited Pakistan and are believed to have linkages with the terrorist infrastructure there.
June 29: Five Pakistanis suspected of planning terrorist attacks in the south of Afghanistan were arrested.
June 24: Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in Moscow that terrorists from Afghanistan and Pakistan were training for attacks against Russia and the former Soviet Central Asia and they periodically cross into Central Asian territory.
June 20: Afghan intelligence officials foiled a plot to assassinate the former US Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad and arrested three Pakistanis armed with rocket propelled grenades and assault rifles.
June 18: United States Ambassador to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad said that Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar was hiding in Pakistan and criticised Islamabad`s failure to act against Taliban leaders.
June 16: A Pakistani and two Frenchmen were awarded prison sentences by a Paris court which found them guilty of aiding convicted `shoe-bomber` Richard Reid, who attempted to blow up a Paris-Miami flight on December 22, 2001.
June 10: An investigation into an Islamist extremist cell in the US city of Lodi, California, in which five persons were arrested, revealed that at least one of them had received training in a terrorist camp near Rawalpindi in 2003-2004.
And we have still only gone through a little over a month this year!
Indeed, across the world, major acts of international Islamist terrorism - irrespective of where their perpetrators were ``born, bred and educated`` - have all been linked in some way or another, to Pakistan.
Nevertheless, on the occasion of each new incident of terrorism that agitates the Western world, we see the same bogus expressions of sympathy and solidarity emanating from Pakistan, quickly followed up with accusations against the West and sweeping generalisations regarding the failure to address `root causes` and `outstanding disputes` such as Palestine, Kashmir, Iraq, Chechnya... But do Muslim grievances alone have root causes? And are these the only outstanding disputes in the world? Why then this floodtide of hatred and terror? And why is its fountainhead and source located in Pakistan?
You cannot build a nation on hatred alone - but this has been the essential Pakistani enterprise. It needs reiteration here that, while much is made of the Al Qaeda and its Arab origins, the fact is that the Al Qaeda is essentially a Pakistani creation, as are the large number of other jihadi organisations that were raised during the anti-Soviet campaigns in Afghanistan, and continued to proliferate thereafter, including the Taliban. General Pervez Musharraf has been directly involved in the creation and support of at least some of these groups, and Pakistani sources concede that it is difficult to find many in the current establishment who were not, at some time or another, involved in the training, funding and direction of these terrorist forces, or in organising their many camps and centres.
Under US and international pressure, today, Musharraf vacillates between dual loyalties. Even as he boasts of his anti-terrorist credentials and operations against the Al Qaeda in Waziristan, evidence - backed by Pakistani open sources - swells regarding the reactivation of terrorist camps, as in Mansehra, and of the open activities of the Taliban and other terrorist and extremist organizations. But in his attempts to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds, Musharraf can only lead his country to disaster.
Through the 1980s and early 1990s, the Khalistanis had tried to build a movement out of hatred and violence. It was rejected by the large mass of Sikhs, who recognised how completely terrorism was in conflict with the tenets of their faith, and the movement collapsed and is, today, an object of derision and contempt in Punjab.
This will be the eventual outcome of the Pakistan-backed movement of extremist Islamist hatred, violence and denigration of other faiths. Regrettably, it is being artificially kept alive at present by massive and continuing state support, by the cynical exploitation of false sociologies of `root causes` and by a range of `human rights` organisations that have accepted the role of the handmaidens and fellow travelers of terrorism. Nor indeed, has a sufficient rejection of and resistance to this pernicious ideological movement been generated within the larger Islamic community. And it is only when such a rejection is openly and forcefully manifested that this perversion of Islam will eventually be defeated.
It is the world`s duty to create the conditions for the articulation of the ideas of the silent majority of Muslims, who are as oppressed by extremist Islam as are the non-Muslim victims of Islamist terror. This is a scourge that must be faced with courage and determination, and that must be stamped out with all the force at our command.
But in his address to the nation on July 21, 2005, spurred by the second series of terrorist attacks in London in two weeks, Pakistan`s President, General Pervez Musharraf, finally conceded, ``Wherever these extremist or terrorist incidents occur in the world, a direct or indirect connection is established with this country (Pakistan).``
Of course, the admission was merely tactical, in keeping with his past record. Every time there is a major incident of terrorism, particularly in the West, and the linkages to Pakistan emerge, there is a flurry of ostensible activity - some arrests are made, the President makes another speech declaring unstinting support to the `global war against terror` and the need for `enlightened moderation`, a handful of supposed `Al Qaeda terrorists` are killed off in some remote hinterland in Waziristan - to convince the `international community` that he is the bulwark they need against the tide of extremism in Pakistan.
This is a smokescreen and in his speech on the evening of the second attack on London`s public transport system, the admission was quickly followed by an assertion: In his `message to Prime Minister Tony Blair`, he declaimed, ``Aspersions are being cast in the media on Pakistan. We certainly have a problem, which we are trying to address. Britain also has a problem that needs to be addressed.`` He argued that, while three persons of Pakistani origin were involved in the 7/7 London attacks, the fourth was a Jamaican; if the Pakistanis were indoctrinated in Pakistan, where did the Jamaican get indoctrinated? He declared, further, that several extremist organisations operated with impunity in England, and this - not the training camps in Pakistan - was the source of Britain`s troubles. He noted, moreover, that the `Pakistanis` involved in the 7/7 incidents were `born and bred and educated` in Britain.
………………
July 11: Afghan authorities arrested five men, including a Pakistani national, and foiled a series of planned bombings across the country. On the same day, police arrested a man armed with weapons and explosives. He had studied at two Pakistani religious schools and planned to bomb electoral centres and offices as part of a five-man team, the other members of which escaped.
July 7: At least three of the bombers who carried out the terrorist attacks in London were British males of Pakistani origin, had recently visited Pakistan and are believed to have linkages with the terrorist infrastructure there.
June 29: Five Pakistanis suspected of planning terrorist attacks in the south of Afghanistan were arrested.
June 24: Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in Moscow that terrorists from Afghanistan and Pakistan were training for attacks against Russia and the former Soviet Central Asia and they periodically cross into Central Asian territory.
June 20: Afghan intelligence officials foiled a plot to assassinate the former US Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad and arrested three Pakistanis armed with rocket propelled grenades and assault rifles.
June 18: United States Ambassador to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad said that Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar was hiding in Pakistan and criticised Islamabad`s failure to act against Taliban leaders.
June 16: A Pakistani and two Frenchmen were awarded prison sentences by a Paris court which found them guilty of aiding convicted `shoe-bomber` Richard Reid, who attempted to blow up a Paris-Miami flight on December 22, 2001.
June 10: An investigation into an Islamist extremist cell in the US city of Lodi, California, in which five persons were arrested, revealed that at least one of them had received training in a terrorist camp near Rawalpindi in 2003-2004.
And we have still only gone through a little over a month this year!
Indeed, across the world, major acts of international Islamist terrorism - irrespective of where their perpetrators were ``born, bred and educated`` - have all been linked in some way or another, to Pakistan.
Nevertheless, on the occasion of each new incident of terrorism that agitates the Western world, we see the same bogus expressions of sympathy and solidarity emanating from Pakistan, quickly followed up with accusations against the West and sweeping generalisations regarding the failure to address `root causes` and `outstanding disputes` such as Palestine, Kashmir, Iraq, Chechnya... But do Muslim grievances alone have root causes? And are these the only outstanding disputes in the world? Why then this floodtide of hatred and terror? And why is its fountainhead and source located in Pakistan?
You cannot build a nation on hatred alone - but this has been the essential Pakistani enterprise. It needs reiteration here that, while much is made of the Al Qaeda and its Arab origins, the fact is that the Al Qaeda is essentially a Pakistani creation, as are the large number of other jihadi organisations that were raised during the anti-Soviet campaigns in Afghanistan, and continued to proliferate thereafter, including the Taliban. General Pervez Musharraf has been directly involved in the creation and support of at least some of these groups, and Pakistani sources concede that it is difficult to find many in the current establishment who were not, at some time or another, involved in the training, funding and direction of these terrorist forces, or in organising their many camps and centres.
Under US and international pressure, today, Musharraf vacillates between dual loyalties. Even as he boasts of his anti-terrorist credentials and operations against the Al Qaeda in Waziristan, evidence - backed by Pakistani open sources - swells regarding the reactivation of terrorist camps, as in Mansehra, and of the open activities of the Taliban and other terrorist and extremist organizations. But in his attempts to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds, Musharraf can only lead his country to disaster.
Through the 1980s and early 1990s, the Khalistanis had tried to build a movement out of hatred and violence. It was rejected by the large mass of Sikhs, who recognised how completely terrorism was in conflict with the tenets of their faith, and the movement collapsed and is, today, an object of derision and contempt in Punjab.
This will be the eventual outcome of the Pakistan-backed movement of extremist Islamist hatred, violence and denigration of other faiths. Regrettably, it is being artificially kept alive at present by massive and continuing state support, by the cynical exploitation of false sociologies of `root causes` and by a range of `human rights` organisations that have accepted the role of the handmaidens and fellow travelers of terrorism. Nor indeed, has a sufficient rejection of and resistance to this pernicious ideological movement been generated within the larger Islamic community. And it is only when such a rejection is openly and forcefully manifested that this perversion of Islam will eventually be defeated.
It is the world`s duty to create the conditions for the articulation of the ideas of the silent majority of Muslims, who are as oppressed by extremist Islam as are the non-Muslim victims of Islamist terror. This is a scourge that must be faced with courage and determination, and that must be stamped out with all the force at our command.
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#151 Posted by shankar on July 31, 2005 10:25:13 am
Re: # 138
Don,
Now why am I not surprised that Pakistan is at the brink of being called a terrorist state?
Its because of Islamist chuts like you.
Is your mom your father`s half-sister?
911 saved your country`s pompus butt from going into the economic gutter.
As Mazdak said ; ``HALWAH FROM HEAVEN!!!``.
er...excuse me...halwah from Washington...
Thats all the good your country is for...
Living on bheek from US & Saudi Arabs.
If you put a Saudi man & a Pakistani man into a room for an hour....
At the end of the hour, the Paki`s nose is 10 shades browner than his nose...
And the Saudi says:
``Man! that was a great experience!!!....
...I`ll NEVER use Amrikan toilet paper again!!...
....Not as long as I have this Paki butthead as my friend!``....
Teri Ummah gaye tel galli mein!!
OK...before shareef Pakis here become homicidal....
I have yet to meet an indecent Pakistani in real life...
But, your COUNTRY``S behavior ...SUCKS!!...big time...
Don,
Now why am I not surprised that Pakistan is at the brink of being called a terrorist state?
Its because of Islamist chuts like you.
Is your mom your father`s half-sister?
911 saved your country`s pompus butt from going into the economic gutter.
As Mazdak said ; ``HALWAH FROM HEAVEN!!!``.
er...excuse me...halwah from Washington...
Thats all the good your country is for...
Living on bheek from US & Saudi Arabs.
If you put a Saudi man & a Pakistani man into a room for an hour....
At the end of the hour, the Paki`s nose is 10 shades browner than his nose...
And the Saudi says:
``Man! that was a great experience!!!....
...I`ll NEVER use Amrikan toilet paper again!!...
....Not as long as I have this Paki butthead as my friend!``....
Teri Ummah gaye tel galli mein!!
OK...before shareef Pakis here become homicidal....
I have yet to meet an indecent Pakistani in real life...
But, your COUNTRY``S behavior ...SUCKS!!...big time...
#138 Posted by Don on July 31, 2005 6:43:23 am
Re: # 130
dumbass i wasnt his classmate i was his student!you piece of shit was anyone even talking to you?! why dont you mind your own buisness you stupid little kiss-ass...its nosey shits like you who give pakistan a bad name...in my first interact i attacked godot for saying that nowadays we should be ashamed to be a pakistani...because i for one am proud to be one...and i have been defending islam against attacks by the ass-whip gandiv! with no help from you or ylh!! who apparently love islam! so get a life and F-off!
dumbass i wasnt his classmate i was his student!you piece of shit was anyone even talking to you?! why dont you mind your own buisness you stupid little kiss-ass...its nosey shits like you who give pakistan a bad name...in my first interact i attacked godot for saying that nowadays we should be ashamed to be a pakistani...because i for one am proud to be one...and i have been defending islam against attacks by the ass-whip gandiv! with no help from you or ylh!! who apparently love islam! so get a life and F-off!
#154 Posted by shankar on July 31, 2005 10:54:07 am
Re: # 142
Mohar,
I dont fancy into getting into a Jinnah pissing match with you.
We had them AD NAUSEAM in Chowk..
I think Jinnah was a great man...
Lets just agree to disagree...OK?!
We indians have a prejudiced hatred for Jinnah...dunno why!
Personally, I think Jinnah did India a HUGE favor by creating Pakistan...
Otherwise...do you know which country would be called Jihad Central..today?!
GASP!!!....INDIA!!!!
Why do you think I had accused ylh of ``verbal masterbation?``
All you have to say to him is ``Jinnah is/was an idiot``
Bus!
...he would metaphorically drop his pants & start jerking off in Chowk...
That idiot Jay had a ball with that kid from Rutgers...
amply helped on by his nemesis RSaxena...
The kid has grown up since then...
Chowk`s BIGGEST bakra is not ylh...anymore...
its my cousin (150th removed)...Captain Clueless!!!!
We slimy brahmin banias know EXACTLY what buttons to push on these vain Punjabis/ other ``marital races``...
from the wrong side of the border...
Our politicians have been doing that for the last 50 odd years with their idiotic generals...
& they ``perform`` on demand...
Imagine losing every glorious war in their history to slimy cowardly banias!!...
Imagine getting your WORST defeat in 71 at the hands of a...
.GASP! hindu WOMAN!!!!!
Pakistanis are like the French...
They have NEVER EVER won a war in the 20th century...
But they are DAMNED PROUD of their ``world famous miltry``
Mohar,
I dont fancy into getting into a Jinnah pissing match with you.
We had them AD NAUSEAM in Chowk..
I think Jinnah was a great man...
Lets just agree to disagree...OK?!
We indians have a prejudiced hatred for Jinnah...dunno why!
Personally, I think Jinnah did India a HUGE favor by creating Pakistan...
Otherwise...do you know which country would be called Jihad Central..today?!
GASP!!!....INDIA!!!!
Why do you think I had accused ylh of ``verbal masterbation?``
All you have to say to him is ``Jinnah is/was an idiot``
Bus!
...he would metaphorically drop his pants & start jerking off in Chowk...
That idiot Jay had a ball with that kid from Rutgers...
amply helped on by his nemesis RSaxena...
The kid has grown up since then...
Chowk`s BIGGEST bakra is not ylh...anymore...
its my cousin (150th removed)...Captain Clueless!!!!
We slimy brahmin banias know EXACTLY what buttons to push on these vain Punjabis/ other ``marital races``...
from the wrong side of the border...
Our politicians have been doing that for the last 50 odd years with their idiotic generals...
& they ``perform`` on demand...
Imagine losing every glorious war in their history to slimy cowardly banias!!...
Imagine getting your WORST defeat in 71 at the hands of a...
.GASP! hindu WOMAN!!!!!
Pakistanis are like the French...
They have NEVER EVER won a war in the 20th century...
But they are DAMNED PROUD of their ``world famous miltry``
#142 Posted by mohar11 on July 31, 2005 7:43:37 am
Re: # 130 shankar
//....it is PIGS like them... that have.... Spat upon the face of the Qaid-e-Azam & DESTROYING his dream by renaming The Land of the Pure into the ISLAMIC Republic Of Pakistan... //
Wrong. Pakistan was not Jinnha`s personal property - it was result of mass desire on part of subcontinental muslims to have a separate homeland, away from kufrs, to live a pure islamic life.......And also, pakistan was created thru a democratic process. Jinnah was just one of many facilitators, albeit the most prominent one.
Those who want secularism and other such kufr stuff - they should have stayed back - pakistan was not for them. It doesn`t matter what jinnah said [he has said all kinds of things - depending on where the wind was blowing] - he was just the driver of the partition bus. He may have his own vague ideas about where he wanted to go - but the passengers were sure where they wanted to go and their wish is what is more important and they have prevailed.
So pakistan will be what majority of pakis want it to be - not what jinnah supposedly ``dreamed`` about. Majority pakis want it to be an islamic republic - they always have and always will [otherwise - what was the point in separation?]..... And that`s what matters..... Don, haroon,urstruly, etc, these people are the true inheritors of partition - they are the true sons of the land of pure - It was for them, pakistan was created..... Yes, they are pigs and that is precisely the reason why I support the partition - pigs need to have their own ``homeland``.
YLH has no place in pakistan - pakistan was not created for people like him. He should get out while he still can. Hasba bill is already here.
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There is nothing sancrosanct about the founding father`s so-called ``dreams``. If that was so - then India would still be sleeping with fabian socialism - the ``dream`` that Nehru came up with...... India will be what indians want it to be. It took forty years for people to realize this and finally they have woke up from that self-induced ``dream`` which was more like a nightmare.
//....it is PIGS like them... that have.... Spat upon the face of the Qaid-e-Azam & DESTROYING his dream by renaming The Land of the Pure into the ISLAMIC Republic Of Pakistan... //
Wrong. Pakistan was not Jinnha`s personal property - it was result of mass desire on part of subcontinental muslims to have a separate homeland, away from kufrs, to live a pure islamic life.......And also, pakistan was created thru a democratic process. Jinnah was just one of many facilitators, albeit the most prominent one.
Those who want secularism and other such kufr stuff - they should have stayed back - pakistan was not for them. It doesn`t matter what jinnah said [he has said all kinds of things - depending on where the wind was blowing] - he was just the driver of the partition bus. He may have his own vague ideas about where he wanted to go - but the passengers were sure where they wanted to go and their wish is what is more important and they have prevailed.
So pakistan will be what majority of pakis want it to be - not what jinnah supposedly ``dreamed`` about. Majority pakis want it to be an islamic republic - they always have and always will [otherwise - what was the point in separation?]..... And that`s what matters..... Don, haroon,urstruly, etc, these people are the true inheritors of partition - they are the true sons of the land of pure - It was for them, pakistan was created..... Yes, they are pigs and that is precisely the reason why I support the partition - pigs need to have their own ``homeland``.
YLH has no place in pakistan - pakistan was not created for people like him. He should get out while he still can. Hasba bill is already here.
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There is nothing sancrosanct about the founding father`s so-called ``dreams``. If that was so - then India would still be sleeping with fabian socialism - the ``dream`` that Nehru came up with...... India will be what indians want it to be. It took forty years for people to realize this and finally they have woke up from that self-induced ``dream`` which was more like a nightmare.
#130 Posted by shankar on July 30, 2005 10:45:34 pm
Re: # 20
Don,
You are Mr Yasser Latif Hamdani`s CLASSMATE?!!
Let me tell you BLUNTLY that it is DUKKAR PIGS like you & your buddy haroonelahi that have RUINED Pakistan
NOT my buddy Yasser....
I have had the pleasure & honor of knowing Yasser (on Chowk) since he was a snot-nosed verbally masterbating kid from Rutgers....
He has grown up (some)... & I`m amazed at the maturity he is showing these days...
1) A more proud patriotic Pakistani...I would never find...( in cyberspace or in real life) than my friend Yasser....
2) Thank you, Yasser, for teaching me the greatness of that man....Mohammed Ali Jinnah
3) I can understand (because of Yasser) why Advani went to Pakistan & praised Jinnah & told his RSS cohorts to go f*ck themselves....
Yasser, my friend, please tell those DUKKAR Pakistani citizens like HaroonElahi & Don that...
it is PIGS like them...
that have....
Spat upon the face of the Qaid-e-Azam & DESTROYING his dream by renaming The Land of the Pure into the ISLAMIC Republic Of Pakistan...
WORSE THAN THAT....
Spat upon the face of the Holy Prophet (pbuh)...
Militant bastards or militant ``sympathisers`` like those DUKKARS have converted Allah into Shaitan...in the eyes of the Hindu-Christian-Jewish-Bhuddist world ....
by crying VICTIM
all the time
boooohooo...its a hindoo-jewish-christian conspiracy!
boooohoooo... US treats Pakistan like a condom....
Oy! Islam ke mashoor pehelwanos!,,,
If your country BEHAVES like a condom...it will be treated like one!
Dont blame the rest of the world for their injustice towards muslims...
Inshallah...ylh will become PM one day & resurrect your tragic nation to the greatness your founding father envisioned it to be..
Don,
You are Mr Yasser Latif Hamdani`s CLASSMATE?!!
Let me tell you BLUNTLY that it is DUKKAR PIGS like you & your buddy haroonelahi that have RUINED Pakistan
NOT my buddy Yasser....
I have had the pleasure & honor of knowing Yasser (on Chowk) since he was a snot-nosed verbally masterbating kid from Rutgers....
He has grown up (some)... & I`m amazed at the maturity he is showing these days...
1) A more proud patriotic Pakistani...I would never find...( in cyberspace or in real life) than my friend Yasser....
2) Thank you, Yasser, for teaching me the greatness of that man....Mohammed Ali Jinnah
3) I can understand (because of Yasser) why Advani went to Pakistan & praised Jinnah & told his RSS cohorts to go f*ck themselves....
Yasser, my friend, please tell those DUKKAR Pakistani citizens like HaroonElahi & Don that...
it is PIGS like them...
that have....
Spat upon the face of the Qaid-e-Azam & DESTROYING his dream by renaming The Land of the Pure into the ISLAMIC Republic Of Pakistan...
WORSE THAN THAT....
Spat upon the face of the Holy Prophet (pbuh)...
Militant bastards or militant ``sympathisers`` like those DUKKARS have converted Allah into Shaitan...in the eyes of the Hindu-Christian-Jewish-Bhuddist world ....
by crying VICTIM
all the time
boooohooo...its a hindoo-jewish-christian conspiracy!
boooohoooo... US treats Pakistan like a condom....
Oy! Islam ke mashoor pehelwanos!,,,
If your country BEHAVES like a condom...it will be treated like one!
Dont blame the rest of the world for their injustice towards muslims...
Inshallah...ylh will become PM one day & resurrect your tragic nation to the greatness your founding father envisioned it to be..
#20 Posted by Don on July 28, 2005 3:27:47 pm
i am the friend of haroon ellahi and my views were expressed in the 9th comment...i happen to know mantolives personally...he is a `muslim` but does not believe in eid and thinks that the namaz should be recited in english instead of the way the Holy Prophet(pbuh) recited it...he is a `patriotic pakistani` but hates everything about his country and is in love with the US and would kill to have been born an american...he is a hypocrite in everyway...and his opinions should not be taken seriously...
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