Cause and Detect

It`s kind of insensitive to the brits who are fellow-victims of jihad - but I have to say this - as you sow, so you reap. Brit mofos have been feeding these jihadi snakes for a long time - pontificating towards people who have been fighting the menace all the while they have been molly-coddling the jihadis .

``Just`` 52 people dead and brits are already executing suspects in public. When chips down - these people have shown their true colors...... Which is fine - you have to what you have to do to protect yourself from jihad ..... But where was that sensitivity when indians where hit by the same evil day in and day out for 15 years? Why were the brits sheltering the jihadi mothaf**ers?

Reap what you have sown. The price of ingoring extermism - brits have to pay the price.

#2 by engr_malik

Fair point indeed. So I presume you are saying that because Mr. Abdullah was killed in Afghanistan, Jane Doe was killed in London? And you expect this legal defence to hold?

#9 by arjun_m

Good question #1 for which I do not have an answer. One associated fact for you to consider, east african refugees WERE involved.

Question #2, the reactions are different when Muslims are killing Muslims. Further calibration is when Shia are killing Sunni or vice versa. Unfortunately, no simple answers either, Arjun.

The first commentator talks about how the UK’s participation in the War on Terror in Afghanistan has caused British Muslims to get upset and go off to blow up innocent tube travellers.


2 questions:

1. Why were the bombers brit-pakistanis who lived a life of relative luxury in the UK and not afghan or iraqi refugees....

2. If the plight of the muslims and not ummahism is the reason, why were there no brit-pakistanis flying to iraq to blow up the HQ of saddam`s secret service? Heck...the US/UK governments supported saddam when he killed a bunch of muslims...why didn`t these pakis blow themselves up then?

Only pigs would endorse this rascal`s statement!!


Text of al-Zawahri statement



Clips from the tape
Here is the text of a video taped statement by Osama Bin Laden`s lieutenant Ayman al-Zawahri, broadcast by al-Jazeera television on 4 August 2005.
As for the British, I tell them that [UK Prime Minister Tony] Blair has brought you destruction in central London, and God willing, will bring more destruction.



O nations of the crusade alliance, we proposed that you at least stop your aggression against the Muslims. The lion of Islam, mujaheed sheikh Osama Bin Laden, may God preserve him, offered you a truce to leave the house of Islam.

Has sheikh Osama Bin Laden not informed you that you will not dream of security until we live it in reality in Palestine and before all infidel armies leave the land of Muhammad, may peace be upon him?

Your salvation will only come in your withdrawal from our land

Ayman al-Zawahri
You, however, shed rivers of blood in our land so we exploded volcanoes of anger in your land.

Our message to you is crystal clear: Your salvation will only come in your withdrawal from our land, in stopping the robbing of our oil and resources, and in stopping your support for the corrupt and corrupting leaders.

What you have you seen, O Americans, in New York and Washington and the losses you are having in Afghanistan and Iraq, in spite of all the media blackout, are only the losses of the initial clashes.

`Worse than Vietnam`

If you continue the same policy of aggression against Muslims, God willing, you will see horror that will make you forget what you saw in Vietnam.

The truth which [US President George W] Bush, [US Secretary of State Condoleezza] Rice and [US Defense Secretary Donald] Rumsfeld hide from you is that the only way out from Iraq is immediate withdrawal, and any delay in this decision will only mean more deaths and more losses.

If you don`t leave today, then you shall inevitably leave tomorrow but after scores of thousands of fatalities and double that number of disabled and wounded people.

They are repeating with regard to Iraq the same claims and lies they uttered about Vietnam.

Did they not tell you that they would train the Vietnamese people so that they would run their own affairs themselves, and that they were defending freedom in Vietnam?

Re: # 1
``My logic is simply based on self-interest. After he is through with the Jews, Christians, Budhhists etc etc, he will head for me. Why I am not the right kind of Muslim?

nhk``

I have heard that the Hasba bill has been finally stalled by the SC..............full marks to the judiciary this time even if it was done under pressure from Mush!!

Very well articulated humanism in this article. I would wonder when we are going to stop looking at the ``root causes`` and start brehaving like human beings.
I think we are seeing a collapse of humanism of the the romantics and a rise of the satanism of the fanatics!!

firstly there are no arcane ways of ISLAM. ISLAM is a very noble religion but has fallen prey to its various interpretations which are bleeding the muslim community today. these interpretations are used by various so called leaders of the community to further their cause for which they take the help of fire brand preachers which have great influence on the young minds who are the most vulnerable and these neo-jehadis with their wrong notions of freedom and sacrifice become the deadliest weapons in the world be it kashmir , wtc or kingscross .

Re: # 3
I don`t think that Pakistanis or muslims are in anyway different than other youngsters. Mostly
they are confused about religion ( where mama and papa try to indoctrinate them into
religion . and environment where they develop is secular ). There is a vacuum of real religious
development in asian youths.
Suddenly they are before a firebrand preacher or mulllah who with a twisted logic leads them
to the path of hatred and destruction.
Add to that the inferiority complex of parents, this avalanche of confusion makes youths
turn to archane ways of islam.
There is also an added factor of thrill, too.

[“I do not feel your pain. I have to admit that I do not have any sympathy for you. I cannot feel anything for you, because you are a non-believer”. ]
Reluctantly, I am coming around to recognize that the above sentence accurately captures the mindset of many Muslims – versus the rest of the world! The REAL root cause of most of their problems – this exclusivity that one is trained to believe in from infancy – does not get acknowledged – forget about addressing it!

#1 NHK
NHK, the sequence is the other way round! Time and again, it is shown that the moderate elements within a group are the FIRST menu items for its extremist elements – after they successfully suppress, forcibly ensure acquiescence, or fully destroy such elements, only then do the extremist elements move on to bigger game.

All arguments revolve around killing of Ms. Jane Doe. Though,Mr.Abdullah killed in Afghanistan or Iraq has no worth to even give one line in this coloumn.

One thing is clear Mr. Author, it was an outrage and there could be many reason for this outrage which those commentators mentioned. Ms. Jane Doe became victim of this outrage just like an Abdullah celebrating marraige in Afghanistan few years ago. Is it too difficult to understand ? Now don`t expect from everybody behaving like a humanist in all circumstances. Mr.Bush and Tony Blair fits into the same category of those bumbers. For me both sides are terrorists and anti-human.

Bush= Tony Blayer= Muslim (or anyother) terrorist.

Dasgupta

I agree.

Perfectly educated person would argue for an hour against the Bombers but will finally come up with a BIG BUt about the root causes. As if the Germans & the Japenese got the Americans out by bombing!

I seem to agree with Bush, howsoever dumb he may be, that NEVER APPEASE A RELIGIOUS fanatic. He will always ask for more.

My logic is simply based on self-interest. After he is through with the Jews, Christians, Budhhists etc etc, he will head for me. Why I am not the right kind of Muslim?

nhk