Finding Kashmir's Pain in London

#215 by majumdar

... but there is an organisation behind the culprit the culprit which can be smashed....No action has been taken against LeT, JeM, HuM and numerous jihadist/sectarian terrorists operating in Pakistan.

Majumdar, you are quite correct. The organisations behind each of these incidents ALSO perform the `agencies` nefarious tasks, so Musharraf will never destroy them. These very same organisations help in keeping Musharraf propped up by relieving direct Military involvement in needling India over Kashmir and creating distractions.

I`ll give you an example. Each and Every culprit involved in the suicide attacks on Musharraf as well as PM Shaukat Aziz was found within a few weeks, and most of them already tried summarily and hanged, with the kingpins handed over to US. However, NONE of those responsible for sectarian targeted killings and massacres; and there have been dozens of major incidents in the last year alone; has ever been found.

Does that say something? To me it says a great deal. In my knowledge of Pakistani secret services, hardly anyone is out of direct reach. They always know whodunnit. When they want to find someone, it is no problem at all. But whether they want to find someone, that is another story.

Zeemax sahib

(Police are saying it was a suicide bomber. The people acually at the scene are saying it was not and it was a remote controlled device and the police are just blaming it on suicide bombers because that would put an end to any investigation. Culprits gone you see? )

Culprits maybe gone but there is an organisation behind the culprit which can be smashed.

Tahmed sahib recently blasted me for opposing the Pak army`s action in NWFP/Baluchistan saying that as an Indian I should support Pak army action against terrorists. While I agree that Mush is taking on Al Qaeda in NWFP, the Pak Army`s WOT has been selective. No action has been taken against LeT, JeM, HuM and numerous jihadist/sectarian terrorists operating in Pakistan. Taking them on and destroying them would be a piece of cake as compared to taking out AQ. Sadly the price for this selective WOT was paid by innocent victims- both in Varanasi and Karachi.

Regards

#183 by masanamuthu Re: # 179

Thanks, I hear it is the work of ``suicide bombers``..

Police are saying it was a suicide bomber. The people acually at the scene are saying it was not and it was a remote controlled device and the police are just blaming it on suicide bombers because that would put an end to any investigation. Culprits gone you see?

#185 by bharath /#186 by dharma

Instead of lecturing me about “universal principles” and diplomatic, strategic, economic clout etc., why didn`t you answer my question about how is what Pakistan did in Kashmir any different from what India did in Junagadh and Hyderabad? What moral justification did India have in those two cases? I`ll answer my own question because you won`t answer it. Those two were hindu majority states with Muslim rulers who wanted accession to Pak, while Kashmir was the opposite. Both used force. India succeeded, Pakistan failed. Thereby the dispute and thereby an article 370 to entice the Kashmiris into remaining with India which didn`t work.

On an aside .. looks like kaami hit a raw nerve too !

#187 by kaami

we are the IT gurus of the world because we`ve got a few dozen call centres in silicon valley (read bangalore) !!!!!

Aww, poor Kaami, now that his/her argument has been exposed for the Islamic balderash it is, he/she is trying to lampoon India`s call centers and IT success.

Re: # 203

>>>>I think INDIA needs some dilution if not in soverignty then may be in its attitude

Kaami was a worthy adversary, this one is a hilarious lunatic.

Talking about attitudes and lunatics, Indians here if u haven`t read (former US undersecy of State) Strobe Talbott`s book Engaging India, I strongly recommend it.

He describes eloquently the stunning difference in the conduct of diplomats (note:-these were diplomats, not Hashmi) when they travelled back and forth b/w New Delhi and Islamabad. He vividly describes his experience in Islamabad and noted them to be crude and emotional, jumping up and down and at one point one puki guy lunged at the American diplomat!!! No matter how frustrated u are if you are a ``diplomat`` u are not supposed to reach for the neck during negotiations. Especially if these white masters feed you, clothe you and give u toys!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: # 206
> so buddy, why do u insist in keeping a piece of land occupied that isn`t populated by a species of your own??

Yaar, now u r taking away our right to have zoos too ??

:)

Re: # 203
This is my favourite part :)

> ...That one which caused 10 million deaths at the time of partition
1 crore died ? Thats an interesting number. Where did u get it ?
I realise death of even 1 innocent HS is bad ,,,, but hey, we were not the ones who wanted
partition. (For this one stand - I accept we were stupid).
Believe me - and I say this without sarcasm & with all honesty - in my eyes Jinnah is
a much bigger hero then Gandhi. He got us H0m0 sapiens (hinuds, xtians, budhdhists)
rid of a vast number of HIs. We could not have done it ourselves.

> majority of whom were muslims ...
this is a plain lie. Remember the equation,
1 HI > 9 HS
Sarcasm aside - who told you that more HI died then HS ? Your pakistaniyat text book ?
:)

> you are talking about the GUJRAT incident ``Where the muslims had all the rights to
> get slaughtered``
Sir jee, I think it so happens that u have conveniently forgotten the pilgrims that died when
thier train compartment was burnt by a mob of HI.
This whole thing has been bled dry on this forum if u bother to read that is.
By the way - something tells me you guys were caught by surprise at the turn of events in
gujarat. It is not everyday that the peaceful religion gets a return punch from Kaffirs :)

> .... sovereign country where the cricket ground was ruined ....
In my nation (like all other HS nations) we have allowed the HI to breed and multiply in
the false notion that they will evolve (demutate) into the original species of H0m0 Sapiens.
And you come and tell us that we ruined the cricket pitches because 11 more HI were
coming !!
Astafigurallah ... at least come up with a better accusation !

> And by the way why always you keep on calling Pakiland? Still in a dilema that you
> couldn`t get this muslim majority under your rule.
Sigh.
After some years of evolution you will revisit this sentence and tell ur self ``What was I
thinking`` .... :)
We enjoy calling u pakiland < pakis < pukis etc because .... hey we ain`t the only ones.
Everybody does that.
Pssssst ... I will tell you a secret. There are some interactors here who call u Baki-stan too.
:P

> Just be realistic and accept it.
We did. We realized we were not the perfect religion. So even though we were in a brute
majority, we decided to become a secular country.
We decided to undo the faults of our forefathers (and boy were they sometimes stupid).
So we decided to implement Reservation for my countrymen who had not been
privileged enough earlier.

God knows that HS evolve overtime. We are doing our best.

Huh.

how about we make a deal: you claim to love the kashmiris and not the land and say we love the land and not the kashmiris.

Why don`t you accept the Indian Kashmiris into Pakistan? That way, you get what you love and Indians keep what you say they love..

sounds like a win-win situation to me..I mean what better way to alleviate the ``human suffering`` of the Kashmiris you claim to love than to accept them in the land of the pure.

You`ll just be going from Kashmir banega Pakistan to Kashmiris banenge Pakistani...not a stretch really...

Re: # 206
[...thanks for complementing the idea of a separate and independent Kashmir :)...]

You are welcome.... so when are you getting ``separate and independent Kashmir``?.. it`s already 60 years and counting..... I mean, if you can do it - then just go ahead and do it... why whine?.... You already are convinced that we just want the land and not the people....

Re: # 203
[...about the GUJRAT incident ``Where the muslims had all the rights to get slaughtered`` ...]

Well - you guys slaugtered couple millions bengalis [fellow muslims, mind you] and nothing happened... so why can`t we slaughter a couple thousand ?... after all, we are kafirs - that`s what we do - right?

As for solution - we already gave you the option.... you keep your kashmir - we keep ours.... the islamists and jihadis who don`t want to live with kafirs can move over to your side....

Does that work for you?

Re: # 202
lolz at the nomen clature used
so buddy, why do u insist in keeping a piece of land occupied that isn`t populated by a species of your own??

and thanks for complementing the idea of a separate and independent Kashmir :)

#201 by hashim on April 12, 2006 2:32pm PT


They are Humans, Muslims and they are being tyrannized. Isn’t it enough a reason to make them a candidate for attention?


Attention sure? Extra special attention: heck no..


And ah, look at your comments, explaining it all. You have no interest in Kashmir’s. All you want is land! Do I need to say more?


Where did I ever say I had an interest in a bunch of people who, according to pakis, don`t consider themselves Indian..

Let me lay it out for you: If the Kashmiris aren`t happy, boo fucking hoo hoo..there are plenty of unhappy people in India..The Kashmiris are free to move to Pakistan/Saudi Arabia/Londonistan or where ever..I couldn`t care less..

Re: # 201
[...All you want is land. Do I need to say more? ..]

What wrong with wanting just land?.... everybody wants land...

But Seriously - it`s not correct that we want just land - we want the people too - as long as they are not jihadis and islamists.... at this time - there a bunch of islamists running amok in kashmir - we have to take care of those folks....

Re: # 197
Dear:
What kind of sovereignty you are talking about. That one which caused 10 million deaths at the time of partition ,majority of whom were muslims or you are talking about the GUJRAT incident ``Where the muslims had all the rights to get slaughtered``
Or you are talking about that sovereign country where the cricket ground was ruined just because a Muslim cricket team had to play there.
I think INDIA needs some dilution if not in soverignty then may be in its attitude.
And by the way why always you keep on calling Pakiland? Still in a dilema that you couldn`t get this muslim majority under your rule.
Problems do exist on both sides, and you know it very well. Just be realistic and accept it.
Come with solutions not with more problems.

Re: # 201
Hashim Sahib,
I take offence at your crude to attempt to bracket us humans (Kaffirs) with muslims.
These are two different species - H0m0 Sapiens(HS) and H0m0 Islamus(HI).

As for the rights of the species HI in Kashmir - I am eager to know exactly which right is
enjoyed by HS that HI do not have. I can name at least one right that HI have that HS do
not have in Sovereign Socialist Secular Republic of India.

#200 by arjun_m on April 12, 2006 1:53pm PT
They are Humans, Muslims and they are being tyrannized. Isn’t it enough a reason to make them a candidate for attention?

And ah, look at your comments, explaining it all. You have no interest in Kashmir’s. All you want is land! Do I need to say more?