Finding Kashmir's Pain in London

aww...poor oppressed baby...

here`s a quarter



call someone who gives a rat`s rear....

Hey Murtuza,

Without going into my disagreement with you on Kashmir issue, I have to say that I liked the article. You have captured the insecurity and angst of a refugee very well,

Thanks,
Avkrishna

need a clarification

Now that I am a Kashmiri Londoner, the grief is doubled. My soul feels suffocated in the dingy tunnels of the Underground where blood is spilt of both oppressor and the oppressed.

Who is the ``oppressor`` and the ``oppressed``?.. If you think the average office going Peter from Liverpool is the ``oppressor``, I`m afraid your soul would feel suffocated for eternity.. :-))

Author should have immigrated to Saudi Arabia or Pukistan. Why go from one kaffir country to
another ? [no need to answer that]

another rant.....

do you believe all you wrote?
I pity you...and all like you.

Yaaaawn!!!!

The bombers in Kashmir are Muslims.

The bombers in London were Muslims.

Coincidence? I don`t think so.

Re: # 7
no. the bombers in london were budhdhists or jews. i thnik i read it somewhere.
can`t remember where :D

#3 by masanamuthu on April 7, 2006 7:48am PT


Who is the ``oppressor`` and the ``oppressed``?.


His brit-paki brothers are the oppressed...the people who died in the explosion were the oppressors..

Notice how he`s left out that itty bitty little detail about his brit-paki brothers blew up the subway...to read his account, you`d think people died in a train accident..or there was an explosion caused by a gas leak...no mention of the fact that it`s the paki terrorists who`re the ones setting off the bombs killing the most civilians in both cases..

Re: # 9
arjun:

His brit-paki brothers are the oppressed...the people who died in the explosion were the oppressors..

Notice how he`s left out that itty bitty little detail about his brit-paki brothers blew up the subway....

Yeah, I noticed it.. These folks are living in ``fool`s paradise``..if they think ``rest of the world`` would empathise with ummah`s ``jihadi`` causes..

:-))

Hai hai, typical hate filled Indian reaction on Kashmir... such venom and karvahat, only cause you know you`re wrong... the truth hurts... fact is many in Kashmir are not happy with Indian rule/massacre or status quo... theres nothing you can do about it, no matter how you package it many Kashmiris dont want to be part of India or even Pakistan...

At least Pakistanis can accept when our govt. has messed up, you guys are so twisted you cant bear the truth and believe everything that comes out of the mouth/ass of your govt. officials.

The `victims` of `terrorism` in India (we`ve had so many more in Pakistan) pale in comparison to the sheer number of people that the INDIAN ARMY has murdered, raped, torchered and abused, ask AMNESTY international (thats if they can get into Kashmir to monitor the situation!)...

And all you Shiv Sainak net choohas for a change instead of looking up anti Pakistan figures, take a look at the human rights abuses figures of the Bharat Army in Kashmir...

Now now now, dont start throwing figures about Pak army this and Pak army that and 1972 this and blah blah blah jihadi this and jihadi that, we already know that shit and heard it a million times over thanks to you guys, try keeping to the subject of just Kashmir and the Indian army, just for a change, can you do that? or will you explode cause you can`t handle your Karma finally moving towards a balance in your bitter twisted selves...

oh and another thing, DUR FITTE MUNH

If you`re Southern ask some Northerner for a translation ya bunch a laantis

Murtaza

A very nice article

Take care

Ally

Dear Murtaza Shibli,

Welcome to chowk. Very few interactors here will deal with your message. I do not know how many of these interactors have seen prolonged violence up-front, I guess very few. So toughen your hide and ignore them if you may. It sometimes helps to remember that there are a lot of people who read but do not interact.

Thanks for sharing your feelings with us in chowk.

Your pain may be real, and your poems may be genuine – but the simple fact of life for Kashmiris is that you already have a country called India – whose citizens you are – whether you call yourself that or something else!

It is also a simple fact of life that Kashmir was a better place to live BEFORE the agitation started.

It is a simple fact that you guys CHOSE to start it.

It is also a simple fact that most of you get (or were getting) the tools of destruction from across the border.

The conclusion is – you guys share a good degree of the blame – so it is unlikely that too many people of the world will shed any tears for your plight – and certainly few will do so within India – where life is relatively cheap because it is counted in billions – and certainly your case will not be helped because of the way you guys have approached the problem!!!

(I recognize the fact that an average individual – especially a poet – has little control on such matters, but at least the blame should be put where it belongs – where all trails appear to lead and where all fingers are beginning to point!)

The US south took almost a hundred years to recover from its civil war. Indian Kashmir will most probably take even longer – unless the mindset changes.

I wonder why chowk editors hesitated for eight months before deciding to publish this article!

...i love indian muslims...whiners...all of them..be they farzana versey or salim chauhan or the author of this piece...you guys deserve what you get from your hindoo brothers on chowk and in india...

#11 by ally on April 7, 2006 9:50am PT

we know what the Indian army is doing in Kashmir..we just don`t give a pakis rear..They`re killing paki terrorists and some collateral damage is to be expected..a terrorist war invariably leads to collateral damage..don`t like it? tell your paki army to stop sending the jihadis and prepare for a conventional war to get back Kashmir...kashmir banega pakistan/jugular vein and all that...

so first you created the jihad and now you whine about the collateral damage the fight against that jihad results in? What DID you expect India to do? roll over and hand you Indian Kashmir?

we know the ``kashmiris`` aren`t happy...we just don`t give a pakis rear..they`re free to move to pakiland if they want..I`m sure the Indian government will pay for their fare..

have you noticed how pakis think they get absolved of all their crimes when they, in ally`s words, ``accept the truth``.

They`ve ``accepted the truth`` that they`ve killed a bunch of bangladeshis in 71..so it`s ok even if they don`t prosecute anyone for it..

They`ve ``accepted the truth`` that their government is sending Islamic terrorists into Kashmir and generally running islamic terrorist training camps all over Pakiland...having accepted that gives them a free pass..no need to stop what they`re doing..