Will Kashmiri Pandits Ever Return to their Abode…?

1. It is really sad what is happening in Kashmir. I only wish that peace will prevail.
2. When the Partition of India happened in 1947. The Pakistanis kicked out the Hindu Sindhis. They stole their homes, businesses and even their heritage and they had to flee with nothing!. So they don`t have a motherland!.
3. But when Isreal did the same to the Arabs, the Muslim world is ``jumping`` up and down. They hickjack planes, bomb buildings, kidnap westerns.
4. Even people in India, don`t know the plight of the Hindu Sindhis, because we choose to be ignorant of our history.
5. Now you have the same thing happening in Kashmir. With Hindus getting kicked out.
6. Muslims will stick by their Muslims brothers. They have formed a united front. So when they are the victims, they have a fighting force, yet when Muslims are the ``villans`` they never admit they are guily and claim they are going a ``Jihad`` and it is ``God`s`` will etc...
7. Muslims justify Murder by claiming it to be ``Jihad`` (holy war)... There is no justification for Murder!
7. It is funny the Indian flag has 3 colours (orange for Hindus & green for Muslims). Yet the Pakistan flag is green only for Muslims!

#7 by delhiwala on August 13, 2005 8:27am PT


What about my ancesstral property in Muzaffrabad and Kohalla


All such considerations only apply to muslims...

Don`t you know the basic Islamist tenets?

1. When muslims conquer non-muslim land, that`s part of the glorious muslims past and is to be celebrated.
2. When non-muslims conquer muslim land, that`s a historic grievance to be felt by all true muslims( however disconnected they might be from that event..e.g. pakis i.e. wannabe arabs whining about the crusades...)
3. If a muslim sets foot on a non-muslim land and displaces the local populace, that land becomes muslim land till eternity.
4. If a non-muslim entity sets foot on a muslim land and displaces muslims, that`s a genuine grievance to be mourned by the whole world...

What about my ancesstral property in Muzaffrabad and Kohalla, where my Nana started a Dharamsal(Gurudwara), all the stories of my family members riding horses across the bridge over river jhelum and the low sunset.
What about tonnes of Sikhs of Muzaffrabad, who were killed by Nawab himself with his own .12 barrel shotgun after their refusal to change their religion? Same Nawab`s ancesstors were given the Nawabi by Nalwa overlooking Peshawar and Kashmir.

What about all the Dhars, Kauls, Balis, Fotedars, Dars, Maliks, Kapurs, Nalwais, Uppals, Marwaha, Abrols, Angreshs?
All of them were Sikhs, What about our Gurudwaras in Ladhak and other parts of Kashmir.


All this is pathetic, I am going for a swim now it is 110 with heat index, all this talk has made me more Sick and Sikh than I was ever before.

Why can`t we have our lives back as they used to be under British? yeah, let us call Angrez back.

I DONT HATE PAKISTANIS BUT I WANT EQUALITY FOR EVERYONE. NOT JUST HINDUS, MUSLIMS BUT ALSO ANY OTHER group.

Thank you for listening!

Another fascist idol worshipper makes ugly claims against the righteous kashmiri freedom fighters! Thank goodness that Farzana-ji has exposed the ugliness and greed in the hearts of people like these.

Raina-sahib, please understand the root cause and stop this ``sensible`` hindu whining. The root cause is a system of thought that is present in islam that supports violence against the other in defense of perceived injustice. This is why otherwise intelligent muslims are always ready to say ``yes, but....`` when confronted with evidence of hatred and bigotry in their traditions. This is what allows muslim youth to ``feel good`` as they attack and destroy the other.

You and your culture have been defeated by this ideology. The question is still open whether the indian nation has the guts and paitence to confront it. It will be a long confrontation and it will take several generations before it is over.

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Mr Raina,
I can assure you that you will never be able to live abd prosper in Kashmir ever again, like your ancesstors used to be. At best you might be able to visit as a tourist and offered a cup of Kahwa by your Muslim neighbours.
It is the sad part, and I hope that I am wrong but I cannot shut my eyes to the reality when I say this.

Every talks about Pandits of Kashmir, what about Sikhs of Kashmir who have moved out?

They don`t count I guess because it is Muslim and Hindus who want Kashmir.

First, I’m really glad you went back for a visit and retained a sense of connection to your ancestral place. The unfortunate fact of life is that any kind of bonding – with imposed separation – can only weaken over time (a feeling most immigrants can fully identify with (even though the circumstances leading to such separation are completely different, of course)) – from both sides.

I am really glad you wrote this piece. When politics, communal colors, and the rest of the other artificial (man-made) covers are removed, life is about little individuals – coming home for the night to a place they can call home – where they can feel safe – or did at one time. The longing for a home lost, in many ways, can feel a bit like what amputees feel about the lost limb (from how I have heard it described) – one feels an occasional desire to reach for it and touch it – even though it no longer exists in reality.

My overall views on the whole issue of Kashmiri Pandits being dispossessed are strong – and remain so. I expressed them earlier on another board. I quote what I consider the relevant portions here:

`` ...I would like to address a few words to the Kashmiri Pandits who suffered – directly or through their relations.

Many have failed you!

I and individuals like me are strong believers in the Second amendment – the ultimate responsibility for an individual’s defense lies with the individual! There are good reasons for that amendment in the U.S. In India, I see some of those same reasons in place in states like Bihar (and perhaps other parts of the country), where individuals and families have taken to arms in their own defense – to protect themselves – because even though they were originally law-abiding citizens, there was nobody to protect them – from tough men, from corrupt politicians, from hordes of masses who simply outnumbered them. Government is a necessary evil and it is rarely a reliable protector even in the most developed and most civilized of places, mostly it protects its own vested interests, which only tend to enlarge over time! India, of course is still developing.

Having said all of that, YOU, and not people in far-away places (within and outside India) are the best judges of what makes sense – to stay put or to escape – in a given situation! You had the right to make that call – and you did! Those of you who could – chose the way that suited you best – including escape – to survive.

No HONEST Indian would begrudge your escaping with your lives intact, then building up new lives! It’s one of the toughest things to do in life – starting over! ... In many respects, it mirrors what the Jewish people went through after the holocaust ...!... Those who survived that terrible ordeal have proved their mettle by coming out and being able to deal with the hardship successfully, and by becoming positive contributors!``

Lastly, the answer to the key question – will the Pandits ever return home – in my view is the same as that to – will the sub continental mind-set ever change. At the time, it looks unlikely, but don’t count out India’s resilience, its ability to adapt, and the many wonderful things that are yet to – but are sure to happen – and for all one knows, such a return could be one of those wonderful surprises down the road! Perhaps the tree of enlightenment can someday indeed grow there like that tall pine tree in your compound – which was not originally expected. We just don’t know how long the road could be – human eyes can only see up to the next turn at a time.

they were eating a meal? that means they were well off and deserved what they got anyway....

Gunmen attack village in Kashmir

Suspected Islamists have killed five Hindus and injured nine more in an attack on a remote mountain village in India`s section of Kashmir, police say.

They struck as Hindu family members ate their evening meal together, a police official said. Three of the injured are in a serious condition.

I hope you are able to permanently return home one day.

A vast majority of those Punjabis and Sindhis that were kicked out of Pakistan never had a chance to see their ancestral homes again.