Ayodhya: The Aftermath of the Terrorist Attack

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This so-called Dalit is a wealthy Sri Lankan Tamil. Chowk isn`t the only site where he has been spewing venom. It`s only the ``Singhala Sri Lankan cannibals`` (as he calls them) who have mistreated him.

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``#35 Dalit ji,

The term is IAS, not ICS..... ``

Yes, ICS is the term used by the Brits, and looks like ``Dalit ji`` is still stuck in the British days. The society has moved much forward.. There is still much work to be done in the rural areas. But on balance the situation looks good. That`s why you see Dalit leaders like ``Mayavati`` are now trying to woo Brahmins, ``Dalit ji`` is still not answering that particular question. And in TN, Dalit leaders have taken to protecting ``Tamil``.

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``My guesstimate would be that 95% of mid and high level ICS officers are caste Hindu. Muslim and Dalit representation is next to nothing. ``

This shows how ignorant ``Dalit ji`` and his ``ummah masters`` are?. The big heartburn for the upper castes are the reservations in the central government sector where 22% and 27% seats are reserved for the Dalits(Scheduled Castes / Tribes) and the Backward Castes.. I think aligning with Muslims would actually spoil your cause. Muslims still have the attitude that they are past rulers and they are equally bad (along with the upper castes) in oppressing Kafirs (that includes the Dalits) whenever they have positions of power.

#35 Dalit ji,

The term is IAS, not ICS.....

#35 by Dalit on August 17, 2005 11:03pm PT

[I was taught to respect elders and families no matter what the differences might be. I will continue to hold on to those teaching despite constant abuses hurled at me and my mother by posters here.]

Is this a joke or what? If `hehehehe` is respect, then here`s my `hehehehe` to you.

Re: #35 by Pedophile-follower


[It will take generations to improve the Hindu attitude. In situation like this, the true road of struggle is to take an aggressive path and force Hindu to change its behavior. ]


We Hindus will never change our attitude. Low-class sub-human little pests like yourself will be eliminated by the Indian government`s security apparatus. One by one.

And your families will continue to exist in the lowest reaches of society. Serving the upper castes. Or begging. As always.


Heheheheheh.



:-D

Re: # 13

What you describe here is client side javascript behavior as already explained by some other chowk members.

I would like to thank the chowk staff for removing arjun_m’s post on unplugged where he abused my mother.
I am Dalit, untouchable, and was born into a two working-both day laborers-parents family. I was taught to respect elders and families no matter what the differences might be. I will continue to hold on to those teaching despite constant abuses hurled at me and my mother by posters here.

I know what I was taught and would not respond back in kind. However, who is going to teach this to Hindus? They were taught to hate poor and weak communities at their homes and they will continue to display what their parents taught them.

With that out of the way, I will continue to post my thoughts on the article above.

” It is basically a question of political will to show whether one really is concerned about the acute sense of deprivation and insecurity which pervades Muslim community in India in general and Uttar Pradesh in particular.”

I have great respect for Subhash’s thoughts but I beg to differ here. In my previous post, I argued that Muslims are going thru what Dalits have gone thru in India for centuries. But it is not really a matter of political will. Political parties get to the top for a temporary period. They mostly work for short term policies and often there is so much turmoil in the state governments that many policies are not implemented by the state governments.

The real issue is the civil Bureaucracy. Bureaucracy is permanent. ICS officers don’t go thru election cycles and they are the ones that make and implement permanent policies.
My guesstimate would be that 95% of mid and high level ICS officers are caste Hindu. Muslim and Dalit representation is next to nothing. No matter what policies politicians make these are the people who implement them and it is a matter of their own commitment to the policy that determines the full implementation of the policy.

The RSS and VHP may not have great clout in Hindu masses but they do have an un-proportionate influence over the Hindu middle class and thus influence the civil bureaucracy from the top to almost the clerical level. The Hindu bureaucracy that has bought in to the Hindutva ideology is firmly committed to cut Muslims to size. They believe like many other RSS types that Muslims have broken this country apart and really have no rights in the modern day India. This thinking goes from the police to local level magistrate to higher secretaries’ level.

The first result of this hate in bureaucracy is that Muslims are now less than two percent in government jobs. Government still is a substantial source of employment. Some Dalits have moved into government positions but at the expense of Muslims and not caste Hindu.

In the 50s, 60s and 70s there used to be Muslims officers and clerks at different levels but now one will rarely find a Muslim. The one major impact area is the primary and secondary vernacular schools. These schools used to have plenty of Muslims teachers but in the last two decades Muslim teachers are no where to be found.
The primary school teachers in the villages and small suburban schools make a huge impact on kids. Unfortunately, most of them teachers are highly opinionated, biased, and dogmatic. When a Muslim kid gets to the school, first he finds an unsympathetic teacher and mostly goes thru the abuse that was originally reserved for Dalit kids. All dalit kids, who have been to village or small town schools, know what forces bully them constantly. From teacher to caste Hindu students, dalit kids are subjected to constant ridicule. Now the same attitude is being transferred to the Muslims kids. More and more Muslims end up removing their battered kids from the schools and end up in either small one teacher Muslim school or at some Madarssa.

The teachers have no sympathy with Muslims and they don’t influence other kids to correct their behavior and as I said earlier, Hindus at home are taught to hate Dalit and Muslim by their parents. In situation like this, Muslim alienation has tremendously increased over the last twenty odd years.

Dalits and Muslims travel in the same boat in India. Things will never improve for them unless they do a joint struggle and even that would take years.
Hindu attitude is not going to change overnight. They have learned hate in the last several centuries and it will not be one day, overnight, one week, one year, or ten years job. It will take generations to improve the Hindu attitude. In situation like this, the true road of struggle is to take an aggressive path and force Hindu to change its behavior.

#5 by dost-mittar
I wish you were always this truthful…hehehehe… it not economics….heheheh…that is Marxist approach and will not change the situation…heheheheh

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salim `sherlock`chauhan...
henceforth, i will not use my arjun nick...that`s a promise...;)

salim ``sherlock`` chauhan ...
i am arjun_m too....muahahahahaha....;)

ps: send me an email and i will explain every thing to you...you know my addy...;)

This `Dalit` character has gone on record with his `hehehehehe` s wishing death and destruction upon India...

Dalit ...by the way... if bloody hindoooos are anti-muslim , and so hateful communal fascists ....hatred for hindus on your part makes you no different. You are a communal fascist anti-hindooo pig yourself. All in the same boat. Hehehehehe.....

Dalit....hehehehe....I did it. I posted that script. Now sue me you stupid achoot. Call FBI, CIA whatever.....go ahead...

#27

Yep, you have convinced me. I am truly impressed. I also think that you should contact the CIA, DIA, DEA and the local Dalit associations and inform them of this breakthrough......

Now tell the truth, did you figure this out all by yourself or did you have help?

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