Farzan Mahmood August 20, 2005
#12 Posted by wiseguyin on August 20, 2005 12:54:20 pm
#10
Ranjit, may I know by what length of imagination have you called Mohammed as ``right man in wrong place`` ? ( .... or god damn any place )
Ranjit, may I know by what length of imagination have you called Mohammed as ``right man in wrong place`` ? ( .... or god damn any place )
#11 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on August 20, 2005 12:50:46 pm
Farzna,
While I do not agree with Mr. Fuzair`s extremism, I do think that destruction of any historical sites is criminal. What do we expect from people who inspired the Taliban into blowing up the magnificent Buddha in Bamiyan?
But then Mr. Madani does raise a point about ``biting the hand that is feeding you.`` :)
Once you sell your soul to the devil, don`t complain about the heat in your pants.
While I do not agree with Mr. Fuzair`s extremism, I do think that destruction of any historical sites is criminal. What do we expect from people who inspired the Taliban into blowing up the magnificent Buddha in Bamiyan?
But then Mr. Madani does raise a point about ``biting the hand that is feeding you.`` :)
Once you sell your soul to the devil, don`t complain about the heat in your pants.
#10 Posted by Ranjit on August 20, 2005 12:47:03 pm
Someone once wrote that Prophet Muhammad was the right man born in the wrong place. If he had come up with Islam in India or the west, it might have evolved to one of the best religions. Since it fell in the hands of the Arabs, the religion has morphed into a nightmare for everyone in this world. Now it seems even Muhammad himself is being treated like a kaffir with his house getting demolished. What hopes do non-muslims have from this religion?
#9 Posted by fuzair on August 20, 2005 12:27:46 pm
So what else is new? Saudi`s, by definition, are barbarians and they prove it over and over again. What they are doing is nothing new. Remember, when the Wahhabi filth took over Medina for the first time, they destroyed the Prophet`s tomb.
I think I agree with the Algerian eradicateurs (paraphrased): the only good Wahhabi is a dead one.
I think I agree with the Algerian eradicateurs (paraphrased): the only good Wahhabi is a dead one.
#8 Posted by ahmedmadani on August 20, 2005 12:20:20 pm
Re: # 6
Saudi Royal family has been very very kind to our nation.
They have helped so many times to us.
They are not divune but they are special to be born in family of royals. ( now do not fool yourself, what reason we have BB, Hasina, Zia, CHANDRIKA, INDIRA GANDHI,Soniyaji Gandhiji, Raji, Rahul, Kennedys- all born in family not divine)
We get little money from USA and they make us look pathetic, while saudi royal families largeness gives billions and they never show master attitude.
As a pakistani enjoying free handouts should have shame to attack family. Dogs do not bite the feeding hands otherwise they are kicked out.
Saudi Royal family has been very very kind to our nation.
They have helped so many times to us.
They are not divune but they are special to be born in family of royals. ( now do not fool yourself, what reason we have BB, Hasina, Zia, CHANDRIKA, INDIRA GANDHI,Soniyaji Gandhiji, Raji, Rahul, Kennedys- all born in family not divine)
We get little money from USA and they make us look pathetic, while saudi royal families largeness gives billions and they never show master attitude.
As a pakistani enjoying free handouts should have shame to attack family. Dogs do not bite the feeding hands otherwise they are kicked out.
#6 Posted by soccerman on August 20, 2005 10:58:57 am
Re: ahmedmadani
One should not indulge in the ``vice`` of criticizing Saudi rulers? Are they divine? Are they incapable of any fault?
Saudi Arabia does not own the historical and cultural sites, they are merely custodians of it. Even the corrupt royal family has to justify its rule by recognizing this. These landmarks are the property of all muslims worldwide. And the Saudis have no right to touch them.
And let us be clear why this is happening: Saudis are exporting their brand of narrow minded Islam all over the world. They have been doing this for a long time. 19 out of 22 9/11 hijackers were Wahabbi terrorists. This insidious creed is harming muslims all over the globe. The decision to destroy historical landmarks is to forward their own narrow minded ideology.
Part of this ideology is the brainwashing that is being demonstrated by your comments, that even criticizing Saudi royal family is a vice. Maybe that is why all Saudi dissidents are summarily executed.
One should not indulge in the ``vice`` of criticizing Saudi rulers? Are they divine? Are they incapable of any fault?
Saudi Arabia does not own the historical and cultural sites, they are merely custodians of it. Even the corrupt royal family has to justify its rule by recognizing this. These landmarks are the property of all muslims worldwide. And the Saudis have no right to touch them.
And let us be clear why this is happening: Saudis are exporting their brand of narrow minded Islam all over the world. They have been doing this for a long time. 19 out of 22 9/11 hijackers were Wahabbi terrorists. This insidious creed is harming muslims all over the globe. The decision to destroy historical landmarks is to forward their own narrow minded ideology.
Part of this ideology is the brainwashing that is being demonstrated by your comments, that even criticizing Saudi royal family is a vice. Maybe that is why all Saudi dissidents are summarily executed.
#5 Posted by soccerman on August 20, 2005 10:46:04 am
The Saudis are erasing Islamic history systematically. All because of their ahistorical and anti-cultural ideology. With the destruction of these and previous buildings, we are losing all trace of life and culture during the early history of Islam. The cities of Mecca and Medina and all other areas of Islamic history do not belong to Saudi Arabia, but to all muslims, present and future. These landmarks were preserved over the centuries by our ancestors and contain fingerprints of our roots. Saudi ideology is not the only form of Islam, it is a small minority form of Islam, but due to petrodollars its impact is disproportionate.
I do not care what is one`s ideology, whether one is a Wahhabi or an atheist, the destruction of historical and cultural sites is unacceptable because they deprive us and the future generations of the ability to understand our roots. Even today`s atheists from the Islamic world have Islamic cultural and historical roots.
Cultures die because their histories die. And Saudis are destroying Islamic cultural icons. And muslims sit back and say ``I don`t care either way``! It is amazing. If we are uncaring, think about the future, maybe they will not be. I can imagine one day in the future when the muslims are actually curious about their heritage (instead of being opposed to it or being completely insensitive to it), they will search relentlessly but will not find them.
And the other thing is that people today are uncaring whether our historical heritage stands or not, but they do not think what it is being replaced by. Is a shopping mall or a hotel or a parking lot more important than pieces of our history? We are replacing invaluable cultural and historical jewels with bland architectural urban ugliness that fills the globe.
Unlike the muslims, who seem to be strangely deficient in actually being curious about their history, look at the europeans. Despite horrific wars on the continent, and a much much higher level of urban development, they actually find a way to preserve their history and cultural icons.
I do not care what is one`s ideology, whether one is a Wahhabi or an atheist, the destruction of historical and cultural sites is unacceptable because they deprive us and the future generations of the ability to understand our roots. Even today`s atheists from the Islamic world have Islamic cultural and historical roots.
Cultures die because their histories die. And Saudis are destroying Islamic cultural icons. And muslims sit back and say ``I don`t care either way``! It is amazing. If we are uncaring, think about the future, maybe they will not be. I can imagine one day in the future when the muslims are actually curious about their heritage (instead of being opposed to it or being completely insensitive to it), they will search relentlessly but will not find them.
And the other thing is that people today are uncaring whether our historical heritage stands or not, but they do not think what it is being replaced by. Is a shopping mall or a hotel or a parking lot more important than pieces of our history? We are replacing invaluable cultural and historical jewels with bland architectural urban ugliness that fills the globe.
Unlike the muslims, who seem to be strangely deficient in actually being curious about their history, look at the europeans. Despite horrific wars on the continent, and a much much higher level of urban development, they actually find a way to preserve their history and cultural icons.
#4 Posted by ahmedmadani on August 20, 2005 10:36:32 am
This kind of Propaganda against Govt Saudi Arabia a conspiracy. They are masters of their country why others should make comments. They have right what they want to do others should shut up. I have not heard may expressions of gratitde towards them for Saudi Oil Facility of free 1 billion dollars dole for several years. They are not say what pakistan does.
One should not indulge in vice of criticizing Saudi rulers.
One should not indulge in vice of criticizing Saudi rulers.
#2 Posted by kalihawa on August 20, 2005 9:45:00 am
It doesn`t bother me one way or the other. I regard humans extension of animal kingdom, who in a freak accident developed thought and got ejected out of evolutionary sequence. I am just curious if this house is really Muhammed`s original house. After all its now thirteen - fourteen hundred years perhaps more.
#1 Posted by temporal on August 20, 2005 9:32:43 am
there are two sides to this:
one perspective that cites Muhammed (saw) himself and incidentally is aligned with the hardline wahabbi interpretation of islam is... that the message is more important and muhammed (saw) should be followed in practice buidlings, graves, mosques, historical battelground have been razed down...what the saudis have been doing for the past six seven decades is nothing new...
the other extreme of muslims are from the sub continent who have over decorated their religion to the point of mockery and near blasphemy
the balance should be somewhere in the middle
there is one consolation: nobody, no even the saudis can dispense with the prophets last house it is within the bounds of musjid e nabwi ( the prophets mosque) and this is where he is buried...
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