Mubashir Butt October 11, 2005
#39 Posted by Kulharee on October 12, 2005 6:53:52 pm
Re: # 38
Dear Shah Ji, Now I understand. Thank you. And yes, Dil wada hona chahe da ay. And what a beautiful Shayr by Iqbal. Subhan Allah.
Dear Shah Ji, Now I understand. Thank you. And yes, Dil wada hona chahe da ay. And what a beautiful Shayr by Iqbal. Subhan Allah.
#38 Posted by teshah on October 12, 2005 5:57:03 pm
Re: # 21
Thank you dear kulhari for the interact. Poor and rich, as I said, being relative terms you can consider any body rich or poor depending upon the person with whom you are comparing one. You can call even Akbar the Great a poor man if you consider the technological facilities he lacked as compared to a common man of today. You cannot call Jesus a poor man as it was delberate `Tiaag` (self-denial) which he practiced. They say Jesus had a comb which he threw away when he saw a man combing his hair by his fingers. There was Gandhi wearing a `dhoti` and living with the Achhoot Dalits though he could have anything. So I think it is meaningless to talk about poor and rich in abstract terms without reference to any particular person and that too with reference to his mindset as `Koi mal mast he, koi haal mast he aur koi zaat mast` as Allama Iqbal says:
``Nigahe faqr mein shaane Sikandri kia he
jo gada ho kharaaj ki woh qaisari kia he``
Thank you dear kulhari for the interact. Poor and rich, as I said, being relative terms you can consider any body rich or poor depending upon the person with whom you are comparing one. You can call even Akbar the Great a poor man if you consider the technological facilities he lacked as compared to a common man of today. You cannot call Jesus a poor man as it was delberate `Tiaag` (self-denial) which he practiced. They say Jesus had a comb which he threw away when he saw a man combing his hair by his fingers. There was Gandhi wearing a `dhoti` and living with the Achhoot Dalits though he could have anything. So I think it is meaningless to talk about poor and rich in abstract terms without reference to any particular person and that too with reference to his mindset as `Koi mal mast he, koi haal mast he aur koi zaat mast` as Allama Iqbal says:
``Nigahe faqr mein shaane Sikandri kia he
jo gada ho kharaaj ki woh qaisari kia he``
#37 Posted by Saminasha on October 12, 2005 5:03:03 pm
There are many ways to interpret this work.
Here`s what I admired about it:
The author looks into male violence and his own inability to confront it. Aqil, for all his platforms, seems to descend into the condition that inhabited his father. Once away from the city and back ``home``, he realizes he is afflicted with the same pathologies that allow such cruelty to the least powerful. That is something honest-that ugliness can resume, lives just underneath our skins.
The narrator is begged to stay with Aqil for reasons we can only speculate. Perhaps he is a reminder of life outside this desh. Companionship. A lifeline that helps Aqil out of this violence. At the very least, he is a witness to this condition.
The narrator is as trapped in his own powerlessness as Aqil is his cruelty. That the narrator confesses this, confronts himself bitterly is interesting. Yes, he should be angry at Aqil...some have suggested he intercede. But he does something more believable with the range of human behavior-he hides. He becomes complicit.
That in itself is a considerable revelation.
Here`s what I admired about it:
The author looks into male violence and his own inability to confront it. Aqil, for all his platforms, seems to descend into the condition that inhabited his father. Once away from the city and back ``home``, he realizes he is afflicted with the same pathologies that allow such cruelty to the least powerful. That is something honest-that ugliness can resume, lives just underneath our skins.
The narrator is begged to stay with Aqil for reasons we can only speculate. Perhaps he is a reminder of life outside this desh. Companionship. A lifeline that helps Aqil out of this violence. At the very least, he is a witness to this condition.
The narrator is as trapped in his own powerlessness as Aqil is his cruelty. That the narrator confesses this, confronts himself bitterly is interesting. Yes, he should be angry at Aqil...some have suggested he intercede. But he does something more believable with the range of human behavior-he hides. He becomes complicit.
That in itself is a considerable revelation.
#36 Posted by sattar2 on October 12, 2005 3:33:43 pm
Human misery is one lucrative business. Similar to the term “inter-con socialist” … there’s one tossed out by an acquaintance who works for an NPO: “cause marketing” is what they do. His face beamed with joy as he explained rubbing elbows with the rich socialites, corporation chiefs, and all … as his group makes marketing pitches to have-it-alls of the society.
... “cause marketing” ... what a disgusting charactreization ... I thought. It`s a detached look at human misery from high rise buildings, driven by power point presentations, and followed by fat-free hors d’oeuvres ...
#35 Posted by jang on October 12, 2005 12:19:31 pm
#31 so assuming that you were a rich (or not poor) Desi, i gather you would prefer to be neutered? Imagine top-class mental desease treatment and all the organic cat-food you can eat!
#34 Posted by kalihawa on October 12, 2005 9:49:30 am
Re: # 22
No the sunglasses were not important. He reflectively believed the boy had stolen it. Later the realization of guilt induced remorse.
No the sunglasses were not important. He reflectively believed the boy had stolen it. Later the realization of guilt induced remorse.
#33 Posted by delhiwala on October 12, 2005 9:00:11 am
Re: # 24
Dude, you are sarcastic in nature. I could have done lot of things, but I did not.
We all have shortcomings and so do I, I am trying to learn to rise above these shortcomings. Life is my teacher.
Dude, you are sarcastic in nature. I could have done lot of things, but I did not.
We all have shortcomings and so do I, I am trying to learn to rise above these shortcomings. Life is my teacher.
#32 Posted by tahmed32 on October 12, 2005 7:35:06 am
Another reason for Pakistanis to contribute. News item from washington post on contributions in the DC area. But one thing to cheer about (as noted below in this article): By contrast, the South Asia earthquake is generating a passionate response among Pakistani and Muslim communities because such a large area affected was in Pakistan.
Charities Report Low Donations for Quake Victims
Excerpts:
The massive earthquake that killed an estimated 30,000 people in South Asia has kindled an outpouring of cash from Muslim communities here and elsewhere but has elicited a far more feeble response from many other donors, aid groups say.
After donating about $1.3 billion to help the victims of the devastating Southeast Asia tsunami and then contributing $1.7 billion to support relief efforts after Hurricane Katrina, many donors appear to be running out of steam.
...Agencies and charity researchers say ``donor fatigue`` might be part of the problem. The third major disaster within a year simply is not registering with Americans as strongly as did the previous two.
Aid groups say they believe Americans have not lost empathy for the victims of new natural misfortunes.
``There is a little bit of shell shock that`s going on among donors,`` said Janet Harris, vice president of development for the International Rescue Committee. ``The tsunami got a huge response. . . . Katrina got a huge response, and I think that people are a little caught off guard by this one.``
Mark Melia, director of annual giving for Catholic Charities, which has raised only $65,000 for earthquake relief, is hopeful that donors will come through.
``I think that people are feeling empathy,`` he said, ``but it`s just going to take a little more asking this time.``
Virtually lost in the shuffle are the recent mudslides and floods in Guatemala, triggered by torrential rains, that have killed at least 600 people. Charities report that relatively few donations appear to have been triggered by that natural disaster.
By contrast, the South Asia earthquake is generating a passionate response among Pakistani and Muslim communities because such a large area affected was in Pakistan.
At Ramadan prayer services Monday night, worshipers at the All Dulles Muslim Area Society in Sterling donated $40,000 in cash and checks to Islamic Relief, a California relief group. Another collection will take place during Friday services at the mosque.
Close to 40 percent of its members have roots in Pakistan, India and Kashmir, said Parvez Khan, operations manager for the mosque.
``It hits home for everyone,`` he said.
Charities Report Low Donations for Quake Victims
Excerpts:
The massive earthquake that killed an estimated 30,000 people in South Asia has kindled an outpouring of cash from Muslim communities here and elsewhere but has elicited a far more feeble response from many other donors, aid groups say.
After donating about $1.3 billion to help the victims of the devastating Southeast Asia tsunami and then contributing $1.7 billion to support relief efforts after Hurricane Katrina, many donors appear to be running out of steam.
...Agencies and charity researchers say ``donor fatigue`` might be part of the problem. The third major disaster within a year simply is not registering with Americans as strongly as did the previous two.
Aid groups say they believe Americans have not lost empathy for the victims of new natural misfortunes.
``There is a little bit of shell shock that`s going on among donors,`` said Janet Harris, vice president of development for the International Rescue Committee. ``The tsunami got a huge response. . . . Katrina got a huge response, and I think that people are a little caught off guard by this one.``
Mark Melia, director of annual giving for Catholic Charities, which has raised only $65,000 for earthquake relief, is hopeful that donors will come through.
``I think that people are feeling empathy,`` he said, ``but it`s just going to take a little more asking this time.``
Virtually lost in the shuffle are the recent mudslides and floods in Guatemala, triggered by torrential rains, that have killed at least 600 people. Charities report that relatively few donations appear to have been triggered by that natural disaster.
By contrast, the South Asia earthquake is generating a passionate response among Pakistani and Muslim communities because such a large area affected was in Pakistan.
At Ramadan prayer services Monday night, worshipers at the All Dulles Muslim Area Society in Sterling donated $40,000 in cash and checks to Islamic Relief, a California relief group. Another collection will take place during Friday services at the mosque.
Close to 40 percent of its members have roots in Pakistan, India and Kashmir, said Parvez Khan, operations manager for the mosque.
``It hits home for everyone,`` he said.
#31 Posted by delhiwala on October 12, 2005 7:32:18 am
All I can say is that Kutta/Bily and other pets that live in USA are better off than many rich DESIs.
If Waheguru/Allah/Ram/Jesus/Budha/Bill Gates wants to help then I recommend that please take these poor DESIs and make them born in USA as Kutta/Billy/Mouse/Armdello/Snake/Fish/Iguana or even a Tortoise.
Pet Food and Pet Care is approx 8 Billion industry and people spend money on pets here as if it was water:
1. My American friend takes her Cat for Psychology Treatment to a specialist doctor, just because she was sneezing more often due to allergies.
2. She spents money on a Dr to diagnose a rare form of tumor that will shorten the cat’s life.
3. She pays $5 per hr for Cat Sitting to kids.
4. She does not visit her parents even on Christmas holidays because her cat is sensitive to the noise of people.
5. In Providence RI, there is a Pet Dating Club, where you pay $40(RS 1600 approx) per evening; she takes her cat there once a month.
6. Biweekly Pet Grooming costs ($25) wash, shampoo, conditioning etc.
7. She buys Organic Cat Chow from WholeFoods, average cost per week is $50(Rs 2000 approx).
8. Last but not least, Cat Toys, Mouse Pad, Winter Clothing, Injecting Electronic ID Chip in her Paw, Making stamps from stamps.com for her cat, Mugs with Cats Picture and many..many etc.
Now you tell me whether my American friend`s cat is better off than millions of poor in India/Pak or not.
”Uppar Waley En Gareebon ko Goray Logo Ka Kutta/Billy bana ke Bhejj”
If Waheguru/Allah/Ram/Jesus/Budha/Bill Gates wants to help then I recommend that please take these poor DESIs and make them born in USA as Kutta/Billy/Mouse/Armdello/Snake/Fish/Iguana or even a Tortoise.
Pet Food and Pet Care is approx 8 Billion industry and people spend money on pets here as if it was water:
1. My American friend takes her Cat for Psychology Treatment to a specialist doctor, just because she was sneezing more often due to allergies.
2. She spents money on a Dr to diagnose a rare form of tumor that will shorten the cat’s life.
3. She pays $5 per hr for Cat Sitting to kids.
4. She does not visit her parents even on Christmas holidays because her cat is sensitive to the noise of people.
5. In Providence RI, there is a Pet Dating Club, where you pay $40(RS 1600 approx) per evening; she takes her cat there once a month.
6. Biweekly Pet Grooming costs ($25) wash, shampoo, conditioning etc.
7. She buys Organic Cat Chow from WholeFoods, average cost per week is $50(Rs 2000 approx).
8. Last but not least, Cat Toys, Mouse Pad, Winter Clothing, Injecting Electronic ID Chip in her Paw, Making stamps from stamps.com for her cat, Mugs with Cats Picture and many..many etc.
Now you tell me whether my American friend`s cat is better off than millions of poor in India/Pak or not.
”Uppar Waley En Gareebon ko Goray Logo Ka Kutta/Billy bana ke Bhejj”
#30 Posted by delhiwala on October 12, 2005 7:12:48 am
Re: # 22
I did try but not hard enough.... I guess I was spellbound, it was all so shocking for me.
I did try but not hard enough.... I guess I was spellbound, it was all so shocking for me.
#29 Posted by hamidm2 on October 12, 2005 6:01:27 am
#28 Posted by aquaris on October 12, 2005 3:14:37 am
This is exactly the kind of adaptability these Parasites have developed..
and this is the reason , they have a perpetual sway over the power Pegs in Pakistan.
...and with this Kind of adaptability, they have ensured that they will Never Loose Power
in Pakistan.
see , their chemeleon Like , outer persona, with it they mingle in , with the forces that are their enemies, and then break all efforts from the inside....This is how they gain
inside access to all those forces , which could harm their Interests, they join them,
and portray themselves as one of them, Just like a chemeleon, they Mingle in , with the
enviroement, ....and at all the strategic moments Make their Moves , to thawrt any attempt which is against their INTEREST.
... In Pakistan , Every New Empereor has about three years , to do what he can, after which , these Chemelons Manage to effffectivly nullify any sincere efforts to change the System.
Just Look at Musharaff.... His first three years.....and Now....
In his first three years he was making the right noises and maybe the right moves, but now he has effectivly be made a Hissing dragon, but without Fire...... Just look how they have managed to change even his mindset........ and he now thinks ..... poor women get themselves raped .... for Visas and Money.
.... Just look around.... and you will find them every where, .... they now define a new breed of feudals, Who are not only feudals but are educationists, Industrialist, Politicians, Army personal, Philintrophists, ...... and what not....
... But that is just their Outer Persona,...... they always strike from within ... whenever their interest feel threatened......
#27 Posted by MantoLives on October 11, 2005 9:41:56 pm
Typical ...
``He was the perfect personification of a romantic revolutionary that I thought Pakistan needed.``
This is the problem my friend... we are always looking for a damn romantic revolutionary. The problem is not with Aqil who is a run of the mill south Punjab rich kid-bleeding heart hypocrite (it is an entire breed)... the problem is with you, who is looking for damn romantic revolutionary.
There are many on chowk... all pinko liberals.... who resemble this fellow completely... I can think of one stock market guru from the US who often enlightens us with his pearls of wisdom...
Ali1,
To be honest... I have not come across any Jamat-e-Islami wallahs who drink. One thing has to be said about these Mullahs... they are not hypocrites... they truly believe in their way being the right way.
Also on the other side of the spectrum... whatever their faults... I have found MQM wallahs quite committed as well... they are the real deal... no romantic revolutionaries there.
``He was the perfect personification of a romantic revolutionary that I thought Pakistan needed.``
This is the problem my friend... we are always looking for a damn romantic revolutionary. The problem is not with Aqil who is a run of the mill south Punjab rich kid-bleeding heart hypocrite (it is an entire breed)... the problem is with you, who is looking for damn romantic revolutionary.
There are many on chowk... all pinko liberals.... who resemble this fellow completely... I can think of one stock market guru from the US who often enlightens us with his pearls of wisdom...
Ali1,
To be honest... I have not come across any Jamat-e-Islami wallahs who drink. One thing has to be said about these Mullahs... they are not hypocrites... they truly believe in their way being the right way.
Also on the other side of the spectrum... whatever their faults... I have found MQM wallahs quite committed as well... they are the real deal... no romantic revolutionaries there.
#26 Posted by miriamk on October 11, 2005 8:44:10 pm
Mubashir:
It’s difficult to pinpoint the emotion stories like this elicit….somewhere between distress and disgust I guess. It’s not simply a matter of Aqil’s behavior; what’s more troubling to me is the mindset, which condones it.
But the ending brought home the idea that we are resigned to the dualities shown here...that was even sadder.
It’s difficult to pinpoint the emotion stories like this elicit….somewhere between distress and disgust I guess. It’s not simply a matter of Aqil’s behavior; what’s more troubling to me is the mindset, which condones it.
But the ending brought home the idea that we are resigned to the dualities shown here...that was even sadder.
#25 Posted by aashee on October 11, 2005 7:47:01 pm
Butt should not have walked away silently from the crime scene just to write this story for CHOWK later. If i were him i would have certainly told my friend on his face that this is no proper way to speak to a 6 year old child.
#24 Posted by amansandhu on October 11, 2005 6:45:49 pm
delhiwala # 14
you could have called the police
you could have called the police
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