Ramzaan Mubarak

teshah#21:

agree with the assertion that zina-ul-haq ( thank you SR) made a mockery of islam and may he rot in hell for that!


disagree with this ...which according to Islam was a voluntary contribution... ... zakat is one of the five fundamentals...there is nothing voluntary about it...it is farz (mandatory) on all ...the exceptions are documented and outlined...


...perhaps you are confusing it with sadaqah or khairaat


rgds

t

Re: # 17

SR

``So please tell all those ``Islam Bashers`` to shut the fcuk up. One out of five(Zakat) ain`t all that bad, is it?``

Even Zakat, which according to Islam was a voluntary contribution was converted into a Jugga Tax by aanjihani Jabrha Sharif. Deductions are now made indiscriminately from the accounts of the depositors who are assumed to be Muslims by their name only. What a perfidy that Dajaal imposed on the Pakland in the name of Islam. Even a donation deposited in the name of my mentally disabled daughter was not spared.

To escape this Jagga Tax people withdraw billions from the banks one day before the first day of Ramzan or submit silly affidavits about their faith. This is the culture of the pakland based purely on stupid obscurantism.

R-D #11:

thanks… am not qualified

Malik #13:

…write…for email address click on ‘temporal’…remember…will let you do the dishes:)

_didgit #14:

…where was this sermon delivered?

Sohail #17:

…janab aap ki wonderful emails ab nahi aa rahee haiN…kya baat hay?...

aur haan, re: zakat…as i mentioned… the lack of accountability is a very serious issue…kitna paisa gharrebON ko milta hay…and how much is skimmed off for other causes?

rgds

t

Pardon to all for the digression:

Temporal Sahib,

Tried hard but couldn`t track down your book/author. Any additional details would be greatly appreciated and would help.

Regards.

MJ (#13), … I too have often wondered …

… I don’t think he makes any money through poetry … if anything, he probably pays others to listen to it. I think he is a rich oil tycoon with a split personality …

temporal, on a different note …

I was once chatting with a pakistani shop owner …who runs a little shop selling halal meat, samoosas, frozen naan, etc. in Saratoga (around San Jose). He laughingly mentioned that his sales during ramazaan are higher than any other month of the year. This little fact was very telling … very telling … and it illustrated our collective emphasis during ramazaan. It came straight from the horse’s mouth and made me think ….

Dear Syed Temporal Shah

Thanx for reminding us its that time of the year again. I shall make a point of taking my seven year old to a suitably prosperous mosque at iftaar to sample the delicious fruits of the sisters` labor in their kitchens.

As for the so-called Five Pillars of Islam, I believe that two of them are neutral or irrelevent, one is outright harmful, one is potentially disasterous, while only one is a net positive.

Kalima and Nimaaz are harmless though irrelevent; Rosa is decidedly harmful to individual health; Hajj is a major public health hazard; while Zakaat is certainly a net positive for society.

So please tell all those ``Islam Bashers`` to shut the fcuk up. One out of five ain`t all that bad, is it?

...SR

Re: # 2

are you in pak. how do you celebrated navratris/dusshera there? do you have ram lila?

In the Washington Post, October 6, 2005

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/05/AR2005100502507.html

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Pakistan Must Protect Its Women

By Yasmeen Hassan

Thursday, October 6, 2005; Page A27

Dear President Musharraf,

I was among the Pakistani and Pakistani American women you addressed on Sept. 17 at the Roosevelt Hotel in New York on the issue of violence against women in Pakistan. You exhorted us not to air Pakistan`s dirty laundry abroad, meaning you do not want us to publicize cases of violence against women, such as those of Mukhtar Mai and Shazia Khalid, both of whom have been raped and both of whom have been denied justice in Pakistan. You threatened the women`s rights activists among us who are involved in international campaigns about violence against women in Pakistan and called us unpatriotic.

President Musharraf, you seem to want to cleanse the reputation of Pakistan without addressing the real issue: violence against women and the failure of the legal system to hold the perpetrators of this violence responsible. You keep reminding us, and the international media, that violence against women occurs all over the world, including in Western countries. You say that Pakistan should not be singled out for attention. But the issue is not that violence against women occurs elsewhere; it is how the government responds to such violence, what laws and other mechanisms it puts in place to protect women, and how well it implements such laws.

Pakistan has not only systematically failed to implement and enforce laws to protect women from violence, but the system that is in place re-victimizes victims of violence rather than delivering justice. The Hudood Ordinance requires a confession or the testimony of witnesses other than the victim to secure a conviction for rape, and rape victims can find themselves being punished for fornication if rape is not proved. You acknowledged the deficiencies in the system while talking about your stance in Mukhtar Mai`s case: You told us that you had issued instructions for punishment of the perpetrators of the gang rape of Mai regardless of the law. Pakistani women want the right to have the perpetrators of violence against them punished by the law rather than despite it.

You said legal reform was pointless because the personnel in the police and other agencies responsible for law enforcement were of a certain ``mind-set`` that would have to be changed before effective reform could take place. President Musharraf, the ``mind-set`` of the people of Pakistan did not stop you from committing Pakistan`s resources to hunting down al Qaeda supporters in Pakistan at the request of the United States. So why use the argument that we have to tread slowly and carefully on the issue of violence against women while we are waiting for ``mind-sets`` to change? Do the demands of the women of your own country (the ``weak sex,`` in your words) not match the demands of a superpower? Isn`t the fight against sexual terrorism that potentially affects approximately half of your own population at least as important as the fight against international terrorism on foreign soil?

Women who are victims of violence need immediate remedies and access to justice. Enactment and enforcement of progressive legislation that ensures women access to justice is a way to change mind-sets and to end the current system of impunity for perpetrators of violence.

Pakistan is a signatory of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, one of the seven major international human rights instruments, and has recently submitted its first report to the Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women. As part of the reporting process, nongovernmental organizations will submit shadow reports to this committee and, to the extent that your laws and practices do not conform with the standards of the convention, your representatives will have to engage in a dialogue with the committee.

If you do not want your dirty laundry aired abroad, please take urgent measures to wash it at home by repealing the Hudood Ordinance, reforming legislation on rape, enacting laws on domestic violence, effectively implementing laws on violence against women, and creating other systems and mechanisms that ensure women access to justice, rehabilitation and protection.

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The writer, a Pakistani lawyer, published the first study of domestic violence in Pakistan. She is employed by the United Nations, but the views expressed here are her own and do not necessarily reflect those of the United Nations.

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Just got this same sermon last Jummah...although not in these words exactly...:-)

T:

Thanks for the offer.

I am curious to know where in toronto do you dwell and what do you do for a living (I am sure there will be something other than poetry too) :-)

kidbee:

a cyber hug! (it irritates the hell out of some deranged folks;)...)

no fast breaking next july....i know time flies!...but the next ramzaan in `06 will be around 9/22 or 9/23... but we can break bread...so july it shall be!... subject to regular myocaridal throbbings this end...

lve

t

temporal:
you might wanna try a slot on worship tv network - i am sure they will be interested in exploring the muslim-immigrant demographics and their concept of Allah and stuff.

temporal my good buddy if you break Iftaar next July I`ll be there guaranteed !! I never refuse free food!

on the other hand, if you or anyone else care to drop by white plains.. the cooking`s not good, but there`s always pizza!

#5, no no, it`s Ramadhan Mubarek or Rumzaan Mubaraak.

(go for it guys!)

malik # 3:

same offer ( #7) for you and the missus

Beej:

aaarzi is temporary

rgds

t

kidbee:

if you are in GTA...come on over for a sumptuous iftaar...M`s cooking is delectable and i will even stand aside and let you do my assigned chores ... dishwashing!

lve

t