Samosey mein aloo: why not Laloo?

Re: # 63

hp

many people are against lalu not because of his pro-poor stance, i don`t know if there are any. he is intellactually as brankrupt as he is in his knowledge about governance. the rich will still send there kids out of bihar for studies, the talended would move to greener pastures the only ones left ar ehis cronies and the victims who have no where to go.

some of his critics sometimes wonder, who wants to rule this brankrupt state afterall ?

Re: # 63

``I will take Laloo for Pakistan anytime.``

be my guest. i will recommed you for Bharat ratna

you are getting it wrong about laloo, laloo won`t win anywhere other than bihar, even in the neighbouring jharkhand (which was part of bihar) we have bjp gov.
i agree that there is a large divide between the urban rich and rural poor, but unlike the communists who promise an utopia and don`t deliver it, laloo doesn`t even understand what utopia is.
he doesn`t believe that development and governance are a part of state administration, period.

you are right that the govs. have been formed depending on what the majority poor wanted and many people (like reddy) took advantage of it. but in the end you don`t run the country based on what poor want and wish to have, it has to be run on practical basis. hence reddy had to cut down on free electricity. what good is it going to bring to sacrifice the hen which lays golden eggs to satiate the hunger of poor? in short term they will be fed but in long term they will starve.

Re: # 58

bongdongs -

``even the humble mutter and gobi has dissapeared from the Indian samosa over the last few years and you expect qeema?``

Well said and cleverly put!

Stuka,

Why a mention of real India lights so many fires? Does the real India not exist?
I don’t disagree that it is the urban middleclass that actually brings changes in the society and that is not restricted to India alone. While the middleclass is thinking and plotting changes, it has to deal with the real class which far exceeds in numbers and electoral strength.

I hope you understand when I say that democracy is also about imposing wills. Middleclass is supposed to lead the democracy as it is the system for the middleclass. Wherever they dominate the politics and governance, democracy is stable. In India, the Indian middleclass is in a serious conflict with the rural and urban poor and rural small landowners that are basically the backbone of all regional parties laloo included.

The reason India middleclass runs to the right of the center is that it is failing to control the democracy and politics in India. Congress and BJP take turns in controlling a few urban centers but lose out to the regional parties in the Indian heartland. Take AP for example, despite spectacular urban economic success, a small neglect at the real India changed the politics and now the state is scrambling to provide free power and quotas.

The failure in Bihar is non existence of urban centers. Both BJP and Congress lose to Laloo because they don’t have the base in bihar to vote for them. Laloo competes on what is important in the rural life and that is caste, minority and cronyism.

The congress went down in India because it has no base in the rural Indian states such as Bihar and UP anymore. BJP temporarily won because it did attract religious sentiments of the rural areas but that was not going to last long and it did not.
The contrast in India is so much evident. The middleclass instead of providing leadership to the poor and the small landowners is running away from them. While the urban middleclass is falling in love with meat and lamb the real India as Bonga said can’t find mutter and gobi for the samsosa. Sorry! but the NRIs are just parochial elements of the Indian society.

Laloo is the symbol of conflict between the uppity middleclass and the rural poor in India. The conflict is more pronounced in UP and Bihar because they are the most rural states in India.


Vivek,
My premise is not shaky though it does rely on the broad elements in the politics. Sitting here it would be hard to analyze at the smallest level. I used different elements of the coalition and not the exact elements. Again IT is just the prominent area. I know progress is being made in different areas too.

Jang,
Did I say Laloo is great? On the real politick level he is just another side of Thackery.

Neti,
I will take Laloo for Pakistan anytime. Reason: the Pak army needs a bare-knuckle opponent not the mild Manmohans we already have in plenty out there.

Re: # 31

drlokraj

its nice to know that apart from yadavs and muslims in bihar, a punjabi thinks lalu is the best thing to happen to bihar. why don`t you practise what you praech and move to el dorado that bihar is.
just don`t open a practise there (if you are a physician), the other day i heard that doctors from patna are running away as several of them were kidnapped (and a few shoot dead in their own clinic) for ransom.

laloo jokes


Laloos family planning policy..
``Don`t have more than two children in one year``


After having become the CM of Bihar, Laloo decides to pose for a picture.
To show he is down to earth CM he decides to pose along with a herd of
buffaloes and resting his elbows on the back of the cattle he poses for
the photo. Next day the photo appears front page of a newspaper. GUESS
THE CAPTION ``Laloo, third from left``

India`s regional politics: No laughing matter
By Sandeep Shenoy

A joke popular among the Indian Internet community reads something like this: During another Indo-Pak summit, a grim Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf asks Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee to hand over Kashmir. Vajpayee grins and replies, ``I will give you Kashmir but only if you take Laloo Yadav`s Bihar with it.``

But the deeds of Laloo Yadav are no humor to the millions in one of India`s most backward and poor states, Bihar, who have continued to suffer from the controversial politician`s misrule over the past decade.

But before seeing a monster in Laloo Yadav, one needs to understand the dilemma facing Indian voters come election time. The voter must choose from a bevy of unpalatable candidates, each with a stunning track record of public disservice - everything imaginable, including murder. Given such stark choices, the candidate`s caste, creed or lingual identity becomes more important to the voter than their performance in office.

Laloo`s tenacity to remain at the helm as chief minister in Bihar must be credited to his Yadav caste and his loyal but impoverished Yadav-Muslim-Dalit vote bank which brings him to power no matter what misdeeds he commits.

When one judge of the state`s high court finally threw him in prison on corruption charges, his wife, a mother of eight and equally illiterate, Rabri Devi, took over the helm. Her acceptance speech to an audience of Bihar`s elite was just three words - ``Don`t cause trouble.`` - a curt warning to the opposition to back off. Laloo obviously ran the show from backstage in his VIP prison cell.

When another judge felt obliged to let him out on bail, he went home on a decorated elephant in pomp and gaiety fit for a hero. In the famous ``Fodder Scam`` alone, large funds allocated to feed cattle vanished without a trace, as did the lives of seven witnesses and co-accused. Laloo has proven himself above the law as he bends the judiciary and administration to suit his needs.

His Bihar state, meanwhile, suffers bankruptcy and lawlessness as he and his cronies in one scam after another loot the state`s coffers. More important, though, is the fact that the powers of such regional satraps (petty tyrants) reach as far as Delhi.

#49 by HP on October 13, 2005 9:27am PT


1 million IT jobs are not going to change the world for 1000 million people overnite. Laloo can’t do much there.


So that`s why Pakiland`s IT exports are a measly 40 million$/yr...IT isn`t going to help poverty, so why bother?

#57

ha! ha! even the humble mutter and gobi has dissapeared from the Indian samosa over the last few years and you expect qeema godot-mian?

Re: # 54

bongdongs -

Switch to qeema in samosas. It tastes much better than aloo and will also break the spell per your poem.

bongi #54

thank you for the explanation. ab tak meiN soch rahi thi, ye samosey maiN aloo hona koi buri cheez hai?!

HP,
Your understanding of Indian politics is also a bit shaky. Lalu raj is most opposed by the dalits, and under Lalu there has been no alliance between the OBCs and dalits, infact the differences have only increased.

To your info, though you are right about excessive hype given to India growing, at the same time growth is not restricted to IT alone.

i think we should explain the title for Pakistani interactors. It comes from a poll slogan of the RJD (Laloo`s party)

Jab tak samose mein rahega aloo
Bihar mein rahega Laloo

#49 noonne disagrees about laloo being a politician..but why is laloo so great while bal thakrey is not?

Re: # 48

Stuka Ji. You traveled to my part of Punjab? I am very near Choa Saidan Shah…. On the other side of River Jelhum from there. The local village politics in rural Punjab are a way different from Lahore politics. But I see your point. Despite all the negative coverage it gets, I like Bihari politics... very colorful and lively, the way it is meant to be.

Re: # 49

HP Sahib, you should visit Punjab sometime. Putna Shutna bhool jao gay. The underlying dynamics are the same in both places.