NWFP Demonstrators Fury against No Response from Army

#238 by HP on October 19, 2005 9:22am PT

Mullah HP...most Indians couldnt` care less about Paki-Kashmir...OTOH, most Pakis really really want Indian Kashmir and it really burns them up that their one-muslim-equals-10-hindus army hasn`t been able to do squat about it...

Re: # 238

HP:

india cannot do much about paks military or democracy. It is up to pakis to sort it out. We are more concerned with what happens within our border. Hence jihadis coming out of pak is a concern for india. Pak has shielded itself with nukes. and hence it thinks that it is prone to any attack from india. it is not worth blowing a part of india even if entire pak is up in flames.
currently things are not fine in kashmir but not all that bad compared to 1990`s. india would continue this policy while concentrating on other issues like development, poverty reduction. india has done this for the past 15 years.
if pak still things that jihadis are the way to the future, then good luck to pak. We have shed a lot of blood defending kashmir, and it would continue.

also, having armed maoist struggle within india doesn`t give pak license to sponsor jihad across kashmir. there is a difference b/t the two. skin to the situation in nepal, can india support/invade nepal simply because maoist are leading a armed struggle?

shishapa: i think even 32-bit is an overkill on chowk. hell, my 16-bit apple computer from the early 80`s could have written smarter posts than the ones seen from indian posters on this board (e.g.).

:-)

#229 by jang

“Mr HP has started his abusive language..normally he reserves it for Sadna, and AlephNull, now arjun had joined the elite company ;)”

“Always start your mornings with a few snarky smoothies...”-Jay Leno

Everyone gets what they deserve. That’s life. Live with it or find some other pastime. President Bush calls Karl Rove turd blossom you think he is abusing him? It is a term of endearment in the US Whitehouse. Live with it and stop complaining.

“One gets a feeling that pre 9/11 the elites were having a sense of satisfaction at the war of thousand cuts.”

The sense of entitlement just keeps growing in India (puking). Pakistan and India are at each other for the last 60 years, it is not the Pakistan elite alone, the Indian political elite like it that way too. You expect Pakistan to worship India at the altar of the Birla Mandir in Delhi? If Pakistan has an aggressive policy you respond to it instead of crying all over the place. Attack Pakistan. What stops you?

At different times one sees 3 or 4 armed struggles in India from Maoist to the people in AP. Who is supporting them? Are they Hindu Jihadi? A country, as big and as dirt poor as India, needs to live with the reality that there are going to be some militant groups. Kashmir is unique. India has a dispute over it with another country and that country supports militants.

Either you deal with it internally or duke it out with another country. But the Indian approach seems to be crying all over the place. Cry, cry and cry baby cry. If you can’t deal with Pakistan physically, you talk to them and that’s what India is doing now.

India is not the only country that is being poked by a neighboring country.
Holy cow! Wasn’t India supporting Tibet before India got shown by China? Why can’t you do the same to Pakistan… but no… you just have to cry! Losers... Numbnuts!
Stand up and deal with the problem!

Turd Blossom, You don`t deserve more than one post...

#223 by HP on October 18, 2005 9:18pm PT



Impressions of an American visit

Hamid Alvi

With this backdrop we switch over to the image of Pakistan as it prevails in the United States. In one sentence, we dare say, that the prestige of Pakistan was never so low as it is today in the United States. The reason is simple: Pakistan is widely dubbed as a terrorist State, a place where terrorists are trained and launched from. For most Pakistanis whose source of information is US media, it is mind-boggling and downright stupefying. Here, Mr Bush is never tired of telling the world that General Pervez Musharraf is his ally in the war against terrorism, then how come his people regard Musharraf’s countrymen as terrorists? This indeed is the paradox and Bush holds the key to it. He turns the key half way and not all the way. His administration knows everything Pakistan is doing — the details, but the people of America do not. They are suppored to be content with one liner, “Pakistan is our ally against terrorism,” and be quiet about it. But they are not, and go on drawing wrong conclusion from every happening related to terrorism. Many characters have contributed, each his own bit, in conferring the epithet of terrorism on the fair demeanour of Pakistan.

#223 by HP on October 18, 2005 9:18pm PT

Aww....touched a raw nerve did I..what`s the matter? Had a rough ``experience`` at the airport...singled out for being a paki...

Truth hurts, doesn`t it...Which is why everytime there is a anonymous call about a PAKI planning something, the terror level changes color...everybody knows it by now...

Re: # 233

Tahmadji,

One more suggestion, I think you should change your nick to tahmad64.
Whole world is moving on to 64 bit and you are stuck on 32?

Anyway, last post on this Pakistani website after jumping the wall or fence.
Need to get back to work.

Re: # 233

Tahmadji,

It does not have to be wall, fence bhi chalegi. Wall ko jiyad paisa lagata hai, mery
khyal se fence thodi sasti hoti hai.

shishapa #232 i thought it was you who wanted to build the wall, shishapa bhai!! :-)

Re: # 231

Oh, I have no doubt about your effectiveness. You will make sure I will not do that.
I think you have amply demonstrated those abilities before and after August 47.
Kya majal hai hamari?

shishapa: ``I really would like to see a wall or fence built on the border. ``

how do we know you wont jump over that too? like you jumped to a pakistani website just to tell us month after month that you dont really want to have to do anything with us? i swear you chowk indians are more unintentionally funny than any bollywood movie could ever be!! :-)

Re: # 226

I really see no need to either love or hate Pakistanis. They made their decision to
part the way because they did not trust Indians (read Hindus), did not not want to
live with ``Hindu animosity`` and many similar reasons.
So now that has happened, why should not Indians be oblivious to Pakistanis?
I really would like to see a wall or fence built on the border.
Let Pakistanis be happy whichever way they want and prosper whichever way they want,
Indians should not want any of it, no bitterness, nothing, just moving on, making sure
such spiteful leaders and leagues and hurriyats do never suceed again in dividing India,
ever.

{#223 by HP on October 18, 2005 9:18pm PT

#219
Okay Turd blossom,
}

Mr HP has started his abusive language..normally he reserves it for Sadna, and AlephNull, now arjun had joined the elite company ;)

Much more needs to be done, demonstrated by the Pakistani elite before indian can believe that they are really in on right side of this ``war on terror``. Currently its at best a mixed-message, at worst an eyewash. One gets a feeling that pre 9/11 the elites were having a sense of satisfaction at the war of thousand cuts. Post 9/11, some of the costs like increase in local jihad and visa restrictions have become higher, but are perhaps still more or less tolerable. Indians have stated in no unclear terms that it will not let kashmir go, something they have demostrated the will to fight for as a nation, in kragil, or through the war of thousand-cuts. Pakistan army, which forms backbone of the elite of pakistan, is supporting kashmir jihad (and a wider pan-indian jihad), and has used it as a threat and blackmail time and again no uncertain terms. Given this, its hard to drink the cool-aid from pakistani elite that they are not for jihad.

Re: # 226

Good one!

Re: # 224

By the way, the NY Times Report did not mention where those 16000 or so surplus Tents are lying which India is refusing to take.

It is very clear that the need of Tents is more in Pakistan than in India. The Tents available are limited in number at present. If India takes 30,000 Tents, they will be at the cost of Pakistan. The other way is India tries to meet its requirement internally and let all other Tents go to Pakistan.

What else do you expect from India to do??

The love-hate or hate-hate or hate-love relationship between Indians and Pakistanis is on account of the misunderstandings created by the establishments and the medias of the two countries. While Indians appear to be Ten-headed Ravanas to the Pakistanis, the typical image of Pakistani is that sword-weilding beared Musalmaan riding on a horse with Jihad as his sole goal. And somehow these images have been so crystallised by now that only these are considered to be true. You go to any web-forum where Indians and Pakistanis are meeting, you will find that these two images which are clashing with each other furiously with each other. The rest will be applauding either the Ravana or the Jihadi.

Unfortunately this is the trend which is being seen all over the world. Nationalism means spewing venom against the (assumed) enemy country. Religous means spewing venom against other religions. Deadlier is the venom greater is one`s nationalism or Religous beliefs.

As far as Indians and Pakistanis are concerned a deep trench filled with human blood separates the two peoples. Crossing this trench is not an easy task. But a begining can always be made by opening the borders between the two countries and enabling peoples to move atleast on Tourist Visas. Even then not all would be able to cross this Trench but some would definiely do.