NWFP Demonstrators Fury against No Response from Army

re:#149 by Pardesi
Sherman lived during the American Civil war. Do u think he was referring to the Asian Indian when he talked about the indians? I don`t think so.
Older generation of white americans still refer to Native Americans as ``Indians``.
Sridhar

re:#148 by hamidm2
``..., but then how do you explain sherman`s statue at chauburji in lahore and chandni chowk in rawalpindi ?........... also why is sherman`s birthday a national holiday in pakistan ?``
Ha, ha, ha!
You guys must give Sherman Nishaan-e-Pak or whatever it is that u gave to Morarji Desai. He deserves nothing less.
You guys are the limit.
Sridhar

re:#147 by ranjit
I certainly do not think like u. I feel for the innocent people (women, children mostly) who were affected by this tragedy. I must confess though that i am not sorry many jehadis perished in this quake. But the video clips of small children affected by the tragedy were heart-rending.
I think u are filled with too much hatred.
Sridhar

re:#143 by ranjit
Does it occur to u that the next Quake may be a much bigger one and may wipe off a million people in India?
I would not gloat over any tragedy if i were u.
I bemoan the fact that wisdom has not come to the Paki Army elite and they still do not see any justification in collaborating with the Indians in the rescue efforts.
Sridhar

Today`s ``Anti-Hindu`` reports that Pak helicopters have been given permission to fly over J&K to reach remote villages in POK (Pak Occupied Kashmir).

re: Mushy`s great blunder
Mushy`s great blunder will be talked about for sometime. It is about keeping his own ``sensitities`` intact even if thousands died in the POK.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1593230,00.html
Excerpts:
(Nowhere in the disaster zone is the futility of the military stand-off between India and Pakistan more evident than in the border town of Uri. Here, above a verdant Kashmiri plateau, Indian military helicopters shuttle back and forward along the sharp spines of mountain ranges, carrying the injured like Faisa and Saeed down the valley to safety. Elsewhere aid lorries move in slow convoys along the precipitous mountain passes, stopping abruptly only a few kilometres before the razor wire of the Pakistani line of control. The roads on the Indian side have been cleared by army JCBs and diggers, now idle after removing the debris caused by dozens of landslides.

Over the border, tens of thousands of Kashmiris remain stranded, still cut off from international aid by rubble-strewn roads. Barely three kilometres from Uri, in the Pakistani town of Bagh, locals hunt their loved ones in the remains of homes, offices and schools, hands calloused and bloodied by sharp rocks and splintered timber.

`We are desperate for heavy machinery: drills, backhoes, anything that can help remove the debris and perhaps save lives,` said Abdul Qayyum, a Bagh schoolteacher. `The government should send heavy machinery so we can get bodies or save those who are still alive. If they can`t help us, then let the Indian army over the border. They are only kilometres away. What is more important - politics or lives? We can hear the call to prayer from their mosques floating across the line of control. Their buildings are standing - they can help us.`)

(To make matters worse for Pakistani Kashmiris hoping to receive aid from the Indian side of the border, Islamabad has furiously denied newspaper claims that an Indian army patrol rescued Pakistani soldiers at a border post after a landslide flattened their bunker. `There is absolutely no truth in it,` an army spokesman said. `Indian soldiers have not crossed the line of control at any point, nor will this be allowed.`

The seemingly cursed valleys of Kashmir remain stuck in the same rut that has cost the lives of almost 80,000 people in the past decade. This `tit for tat` cross-border diplomacy, described by one Indian newspaper yesterday as `business as usual`, could soon lead to the deaths of thousands more.)
Sridhar

re: more on Indo-Pak joint relief
The phase of rehab is going to cost billions of dollars for Pakistan. Much of that money would perhaps be coming from the West and Arab nations. India is one country that can give men and material fast and at low cost. Will Pak bite the bullet and ask for help when help is most needed.
Kuldip Nayyar for once gets it right. In an article in Dawn he has this to say:

``But I did not realize that Islamabad would spurn New Delhi’s offer for joint relief and rehabilitation. How could I have thought that Pakistan would say “no” to even a British television presenter of Indian origin? Even the Line of Control was not softened for the army men to reach the cut-off areas.

The Pakistani president was ebullient in his appeals for help from the West, but sparing in his words when it came to India. He made it clear that the helicopters, which he badly needed, were not welcome from India because of “sensitivities”. He should know that satellite cameras have already pictured every nook and corner of Kashmir.

My worry is that if the two countries do not warm up even during times of adversity, there is something basically wrong with them. Despite people-to-people contact, they have still not overcome the bias and prejudice which they have nurtured since their creation in August 1947``
It remains to be seen how Pak`s dictator responds in weeks and months to come. If he can`t get over his bias, there is no point in sitting across the table with this moron, for Kashmir or any other problem.
Sridhar
Sridhar

ana #
thanks for you courteous reply. i agree that there are lot of voices. but ranjit`s is also a valid voice which should not be supressed by calling him keera or whatever. Infact his voice is the voice of a nationalist because he puts nation over humanity. a nation needs nationalists to be strong. if you want to earn his love instead of hatred love his nation and his people instead of hurting them. it is as simple as that. I am not saying being a nationalist is better than being a humanist. but things as they are, nations can not function without nationalists. maybe a day will come when the borders disappear in not too distant future. but until them we need them to keep the borders.

#161 by rsridhar on October 15, 2005 5:55pm PT
``Sherman lived during the American Civil war. Do u think he was referring to the Asian Indian when he talked about the indians? I don`t think so``

I agree. Looks like Mr. Sherman never left USA and perhaps would not have known anything about the ``real Indians``.

You are right on older white folks - they love that phrase because that`s what they grew up with. I remember when I was fighting my corporate jungle wars, my white colleagues use to tell me that my opponents think that the only good indian is a dead indian :). Those were the days when their exposure to india was from old hollywood movies like Gungadeen, cobras, PL 480 and what not. Now ofcourse they have much more respect for India.

Regards.

Re: # 161

rsridhar.

.... you are absolutely brilliant !.......but that still doesn`t help your image ........

Re: # 169

pardesi,

........ you are brilliant too !........... another great scholar of the civil war ........ but why did custer say ``get me a brahmin`s bodi !`` at wounded knee ?

........ i aplogize to the aryan race for taking custer`s and shermans`s name in vain ........... may the good lord forgive me......... but the likes of rsridhar bring out the worse in man ............

#154 by hamidm2
“there are a few shrines to sheridan as well in pakistan, particularly in sindh and baluchistan”

I attest to this too. I have seen some of them. I always thought they were Sherman’s though. There are at least two in Saddar, Karachi.

Bechare bholay bhaalay loog….

Re: # 163

rsridhar:

Your response {re:#147 by ranjit [I certainly do not think like u. I feel for the innocent people (women, children mostly) who were affected by this tragedy.]}

Thank you.

I agree with you [I must confess though that i am not sorry many jehadis perished in this quake.]

[But the video clips of small children affected by the tragedy were heart-rending.
I think u are filled with too much hatred.] AGREED.

Keep up the good work on this path.

Respectfully submitted,

Good Paki == Dead Paki...