Pervez Hoodbhoy October 13, 2005
#49 Posted by hamidm2 on October 16, 2005 6:36:27 am
Re: # 47
anil,
rsridhar is no george wallace - some people are beyond reprieve .......... when you run across people like him the concept of hell is rather comforting .............
rsridhar : george wallace was the governor of balucistan who hated hindoos and wanted to banish them all to hind - he once said , ``segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.``
anil,
rsridhar is no george wallace - some people are beyond reprieve .......... when you run across people like him the concept of hell is rather comforting .............
rsridhar : george wallace was the governor of balucistan who hated hindoos and wanted to banish them all to hind - he once said , ``segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.``
#52 Posted by soysauce on October 16, 2005 8:55:30 am
#53 Posted by soysauce on October 16, 2005 8:57:22 am
Oops, here`s the link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4139002.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4139002.stm
#54 Posted by arjun_m on October 16, 2005 9:13:36 am
`Pak feared exposure of militant camps`
October 16, 2005 18:37 IST
Accusing Pakistan of adopting an ``indifferent attitude towards the people of quake-ravaged Pakistan-occupied Kashmir``, Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front has said Islamabad ``turned down international help in the rubble-strewn areas because of fear of ``exposure`` of militant camps there.
``One wonders why the Indian offer of help was refused, which could have saved hundeds of lives and could also have boosted the confidence between both governments. The answer to this is simple if we take militant camps into account,`` senior JKLF leader Shabir Chaudhury said in a statement from London.
Despite all the claims of dismantling militant training camps, he said, the open secet was that they were fully operational with more than 3,000 militants fom various nationalities.
``These camps were located in various parts of PoK and in Balkote and Manshera,`` he added.
``Unlike what happens in this part of the world, the natural disaster when it struck didn`t distinguish between a man with a gun and a civilian. They, like other civilians, were either killed, injured or were under the rubble,`` he said and added, ``at last, to the relief of some, the camps wee dismantled by forces of nature``.
``What explanation could the Pakistan government give if some militants from Bangladesh, Sudan, Algeria and Egypt are seen? This could have been very embarrassing for the military government of General Pervez Musharraf who on more than one occasion claimed there were no camps,`` the JKLF leader said while reasoning Pakistan`s turning down of India`s offer for joint relief and rescue efforts in PoK.
October 16, 2005 18:37 IST
Accusing Pakistan of adopting an ``indifferent attitude towards the people of quake-ravaged Pakistan-occupied Kashmir``, Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front has said Islamabad ``turned down international help in the rubble-strewn areas because of fear of ``exposure`` of militant camps there.
``One wonders why the Indian offer of help was refused, which could have saved hundeds of lives and could also have boosted the confidence between both governments. The answer to this is simple if we take militant camps into account,`` senior JKLF leader Shabir Chaudhury said in a statement from London.
Despite all the claims of dismantling militant training camps, he said, the open secet was that they were fully operational with more than 3,000 militants fom various nationalities.
``These camps were located in various parts of PoK and in Balkote and Manshera,`` he added.
``Unlike what happens in this part of the world, the natural disaster when it struck didn`t distinguish between a man with a gun and a civilian. They, like other civilians, were either killed, injured or were under the rubble,`` he said and added, ``at last, to the relief of some, the camps wee dismantled by forces of nature``.
``What explanation could the Pakistan government give if some militants from Bangladesh, Sudan, Algeria and Egypt are seen? This could have been very embarrassing for the military government of General Pervez Musharraf who on more than one occasion claimed there were no camps,`` the JKLF leader said while reasoning Pakistan`s turning down of India`s offer for joint relief and rescue efforts in PoK.
#55 Posted by hamidm2 on October 16, 2005 9:37:31 am
Re: # 54
it is hard to imagine india being able to help anyone
`Cruel joke` of India`s relief effort
........ but there is no point in cutting off your nose to spite your face .... pakistan should accept all relief materiel from india as long as they are escorted by pakistani security forces .......... we don`t want them wandering off looking for chemist shops in rawalpindi ............
it is hard to imagine india being able to help anyone
`Cruel joke` of India`s relief effort
........ but there is no point in cutting off your nose to spite your face .... pakistan should accept all relief materiel from india as long as they are escorted by pakistani security forces .......... we don`t want them wandering off looking for chemist shops in rawalpindi ............
#56 Posted by sadna on October 16, 2005 9:58:24 am
arjun_m #54
The Pakistani determination that it is better for Kashmiris to be dead than benefit from anything Indian has been seen before in the ruthless killings by jihadis of even local bodies election candidates and voters in J&K. A mere earthquake and more dead Kashmiris changes nothing.
The Pakistani determination that it is better for Kashmiris to be dead than benefit from anything Indian has been seen before in the ruthless killings by jihadis of even local bodies election candidates and voters in J&K. A mere earthquake and more dead Kashmiris changes nothing.
#58 Posted by soysauce on October 16, 2005 10:02:26 am
#55
So the point is india`s offer could not be accepted because india was going to bungle its own rescue efforts?
Has the dictator published a list of conditions along with the recent appeal for helicopters?
So the point is india`s offer could not be accepted because india was going to bungle its own rescue efforts?
Has the dictator published a list of conditions along with the recent appeal for helicopters?
#59 Posted by tahmed32 on October 16, 2005 10:37:28 am
hamidm #50 one of those helicopters mentioned in your post crashed killing six army people on hilly terrain at haji pir while engaged in relief work.
#60 Posted by hamidm2 on October 16, 2005 11:13:36 am
Re: # 56
frau sadna,
.......... it is good to see you back in action ..... i see that you and your ilk have learned from your master, herr goebbels : ``The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over`` ........ bravo, or should i say, heil !
frau sadna,
.......... it is good to see you back in action ..... i see that you and your ilk have learned from your master, herr goebbels : ``The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over`` ........ bravo, or should i say, heil !
#61 Posted by Ranger on October 16, 2005 11:58:43 am
hamid - the tragedy seems to have brought out the delusional paki fool in you. Sad.
#62 Posted by hamidm2 on October 16, 2005 12:09:59 pm
Re: # 61
ranger mian,
not really ......... i had frau sadna figured out many many years ago - at that time her only objection had been that she should be addressed as fraulein ........ you should get together with her and arjun - you will have a ball feasting on carrion ...........
ranger mian,
not really ......... i had frau sadna figured out many many years ago - at that time her only objection had been that she should be addressed as fraulein ........ you should get together with her and arjun - you will have a ball feasting on carrion ...........
#63 Posted by arjun_m on October 16, 2005 1:30:39 pm
#55 by hamidm2 on October 16, 2005 9:37am PT
it is hard to imagine india being able to help anyone
RTFA? Let me quote...and highlight...
``Thank god for them, and the army. If they had not been around, we would have perished of hunger and cold,`` he said.
it is hard to imagine india being able to help anyone
RTFA? Let me quote...and highlight...
``Thank god for them, and the army. If they had not been around, we would have perished of hunger and cold,`` he said.
#64 Posted by arjun_m on October 16, 2005 1:34:08 pm
hmm...so the pakis let their citizens die because accepting indian or israel help would be bad for the dignity of the paki ruling class elite...and the indians are the ghouls...
Helicopters now, mules later for quake aid
UN and Pakistani officials have desperately appealed for the world to send more helicopters to help out. During a visit to Muzaffarabad on Friday, Information Minister Sheikh Rashid said extra choppers were vital.
One option remains out of the question -- helicopters from Pakistan`s neighbour and long-time foe India.
``There is a place with hundreds of helicopters that could easily bring food, blankets and tents, and that is in Indian
Kashmir,`` a senior aid official said on condition of anonymity, referring to the disputed Himalayan territory that is split between New Delhi`s and Islamabad`s control.
``But the first thing the Pakistanis told us after the earthquake was that they would take helicopters from anywhere except India and Israel.``
Helicopters now, mules later for quake aid
UN and Pakistani officials have desperately appealed for the world to send more helicopters to help out. During a visit to Muzaffarabad on Friday, Information Minister Sheikh Rashid said extra choppers were vital.
One option remains out of the question -- helicopters from Pakistan`s neighbour and long-time foe India.
``There is a place with hundreds of helicopters that could easily bring food, blankets and tents, and that is in Indian
Kashmir,`` a senior aid official said on condition of anonymity, referring to the disputed Himalayan territory that is split between New Delhi`s and Islamabad`s control.
``But the first thing the Pakistanis told us after the earthquake was that they would take helicopters from anywhere except India and Israel.``
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