Ali Rizvi October 24, 2005
#1 Posted by rozaiba on October 25, 2005 12:04:41 am
Bravo! In a burst of anger, I once told my french teacher she didn`t know how to teach. Nothing angers a teacher more than such a comment from daring students.
#3 Posted by MantoLives on October 25, 2005 12:45:00 am
Ali Rizvi...
Good to finally see you here...
Excellent rant... I used to have a teacher quite like your Miss Makita... for some weird reason we used to call her AC...
So howz life...
Good to finally see you here...
Excellent rant... I used to have a teacher quite like your Miss Makita... for some weird reason we used to call her AC...
So howz life...
#4 Posted by syke on October 25, 2005 3:59:29 am
HA!
Reminded my of my Psychology Professor who hated me, because i knew more than her..she once even asked me to leave the class, for no reason at all.. just because she didnt want me in it....!!???!!
She felt like SHIT when i got a Distinction in her subject ..and boy oh boy did i rub it in!!Just to piss her off i even applied for a job in the Psychology School...that really got to her..she even asked me whether i was serious about teaching i told her... ``nah i dont think i want to teach Psychology here..its a losers job!! Syke scores 10.....DuckFace...zero.!!
Reminded my of my Psychology Professor who hated me, because i knew more than her..she once even asked me to leave the class, for no reason at all.. just because she didnt want me in it....!!???!!
She felt like SHIT when i got a Distinction in her subject ..and boy oh boy did i rub it in!!Just to piss her off i even applied for a job in the Psychology School...that really got to her..she even asked me whether i was serious about teaching i told her... ``nah i dont think i want to teach Psychology here..its a losers job!! Syke scores 10.....DuckFace...zero.!!
#5 Posted by Saminasha on October 25, 2005 5:15:31 am
Ali Rizvi,
I`vre read satires of academia and the professionals that populate it, and unfortunately, this sounded more disgruntled than anything. Here are your cliches:
1. Narrator`s sanity vs. the sanity of the discourse group. In other words, ``I`m not crazy, everyone else is!``. This trope is more often than not unsucessful because it violates the demands of three dimensionality; there was nothing reasonable about anyone in this group? The narrator was the epitome of rational good manners? An utter innocent? Why is this remotely interesting to the reader?
In presenting this binary, (Me: perfect innocent, Everyone else: S&M writing group), you are really showing the limits of your own imagination in creating a complex discourse group with competing agendas, upmanship, intergroup dynamics and worst, talking down to your audience. We`ve all been in classes and unless we are a bit childish, we can all appreciate that a classroom doesnt operate by absolutes.
So, in a way, how is the narrator differerent from the antagonist?
2. Pseudo anti colonialism. So your protagonist recommended Earl Grey and scones which you have included to signify Uncle Tomness. You`ve paired that with subject matter dear to the antagonist`s heart-nunnery life. This pairing could be read as the easy shorthand of what the narrator views as the antagonist`s perverse interests. In other words, how could a Pukka Desi deviate from doodh putti chai, rusk and a trilogy on the origins of Sanskrit?
The rahrah anti colonialism is one thing-again, pretty simplistic, but you`ve done something a bit more creepy here which is to conflate the exploration of a lesser practiced religious ideology with deviance-and this is not funny. It just comes off as really limited.
It seems the narrator is trying to point out the doubleness of the antagonist`s classroom dynamics (aggressive and violent) with her quiet and orderly intellectual and literary subject material. A writer who was able to mine the subtleties of this dicotomy would focus and develop this for truly satirical commentary on human psychology. But the narrator goes for the cheap laugh and alienates a potentially sympathetic reader in the process. What you`ve got left as your still reading readers are the walking wounded...and thats not an audience known for its level headedness.
3. Ditto for academic professor-student dynamics. First of all, its a bit condescending to imply that the nature of these are completely different from workplace dynamics -esp in the upper levels. The narrator probably sucks up to his boss with nary a thought and probably is too caught up in the power imbalance of being beholden for a job to make any real critiques of Boss Sahib. Plus, your Boss Sahib pays you, he`s a man, its a clearly business setting and he might promote you if your kissing butt technique is particularly skillful.
This device of Tird is a bit one dimensional. Yes, yes, you are the better ``man`` for not participating in trying to gain the professor`s approval-bully for you! However, given your outraged self congratulation, we miss the insights into why the Tirds are so ingratiating. Another comic opportunity missed. What about your attempts to get the antagonist`s approval (come on, dont bs us, you didnt try once?) Second missed opportunity.
The effect of this energetic defense is not that we appreciate the piece, but that we are tired, because we see the potential.
4. You Are Not Shakespeare. Are you a better writer than the antagonist? One one hand you provided Tird`s poem on pigeons and that was our ``proof``. But where is the antagonist`s work to support your inner writing child? If the narrator TRULY was Shakepeare, he would have provided his AND his antagonist`s texts.
Plus, the whole reference to Shakespeare is stale as Shakespeare`s own identity is still being conjectured: 1. did his sister write his work? 2. Christopher Marlowe? 3. a collective of writers?
5. Your work was edited and you didnt like the results. Hold the presses, we have something never expressed before.
6. Your narrator knows more than your antagonist. Does any really intelligent person ever say that? Your narrator does, and the effect is that narrator comes off as immature and not really more knowledgeable.
A somewhat constructed piece of one dimensional whining. Good luck in your future endeavors!
I`vre read satires of academia and the professionals that populate it, and unfortunately, this sounded more disgruntled than anything. Here are your cliches:
1. Narrator`s sanity vs. the sanity of the discourse group. In other words, ``I`m not crazy, everyone else is!``. This trope is more often than not unsucessful because it violates the demands of three dimensionality; there was nothing reasonable about anyone in this group? The narrator was the epitome of rational good manners? An utter innocent? Why is this remotely interesting to the reader?
In presenting this binary, (Me: perfect innocent, Everyone else: S&M writing group), you are really showing the limits of your own imagination in creating a complex discourse group with competing agendas, upmanship, intergroup dynamics and worst, talking down to your audience. We`ve all been in classes and unless we are a bit childish, we can all appreciate that a classroom doesnt operate by absolutes.
So, in a way, how is the narrator differerent from the antagonist?
2. Pseudo anti colonialism. So your protagonist recommended Earl Grey and scones which you have included to signify Uncle Tomness. You`ve paired that with subject matter dear to the antagonist`s heart-nunnery life. This pairing could be read as the easy shorthand of what the narrator views as the antagonist`s perverse interests. In other words, how could a Pukka Desi deviate from doodh putti chai, rusk and a trilogy on the origins of Sanskrit?
The rahrah anti colonialism is one thing-again, pretty simplistic, but you`ve done something a bit more creepy here which is to conflate the exploration of a lesser practiced religious ideology with deviance-and this is not funny. It just comes off as really limited.
It seems the narrator is trying to point out the doubleness of the antagonist`s classroom dynamics (aggressive and violent) with her quiet and orderly intellectual and literary subject material. A writer who was able to mine the subtleties of this dicotomy would focus and develop this for truly satirical commentary on human psychology. But the narrator goes for the cheap laugh and alienates a potentially sympathetic reader in the process. What you`ve got left as your still reading readers are the walking wounded...and thats not an audience known for its level headedness.
3. Ditto for academic professor-student dynamics. First of all, its a bit condescending to imply that the nature of these are completely different from workplace dynamics -esp in the upper levels. The narrator probably sucks up to his boss with nary a thought and probably is too caught up in the power imbalance of being beholden for a job to make any real critiques of Boss Sahib. Plus, your Boss Sahib pays you, he`s a man, its a clearly business setting and he might promote you if your kissing butt technique is particularly skillful.
This device of Tird is a bit one dimensional. Yes, yes, you are the better ``man`` for not participating in trying to gain the professor`s approval-bully for you! However, given your outraged self congratulation, we miss the insights into why the Tirds are so ingratiating. Another comic opportunity missed. What about your attempts to get the antagonist`s approval (come on, dont bs us, you didnt try once?) Second missed opportunity.
The effect of this energetic defense is not that we appreciate the piece, but that we are tired, because we see the potential.
4. You Are Not Shakespeare. Are you a better writer than the antagonist? One one hand you provided Tird`s poem on pigeons and that was our ``proof``. But where is the antagonist`s work to support your inner writing child? If the narrator TRULY was Shakepeare, he would have provided his AND his antagonist`s texts.
Plus, the whole reference to Shakespeare is stale as Shakespeare`s own identity is still being conjectured: 1. did his sister write his work? 2. Christopher Marlowe? 3. a collective of writers?
5. Your work was edited and you didnt like the results. Hold the presses, we have something never expressed before.
6. Your narrator knows more than your antagonist. Does any really intelligent person ever say that? Your narrator does, and the effect is that narrator comes off as immature and not really more knowledgeable.
A somewhat constructed piece of one dimensional whining. Good luck in your future endeavors!
#6 Posted by Saminasha on October 25, 2005 5:17:23 am
correction:
In presenting this binary, (Me: perfect innocent, Everyone else: S&M writing group), you are really showing the limits of your own imagination in NOT creating a complex discourse group with competing agendas, upmanship, intergroup dynamics and worst, talking down to your audience.
In presenting this binary, (Me: perfect innocent, Everyone else: S&M writing group), you are really showing the limits of your own imagination in NOT creating a complex discourse group with competing agendas, upmanship, intergroup dynamics and worst, talking down to your audience.
#8 Posted by ziahmed on October 25, 2005 7:53:09 am
Re: # 6
Yikes! I`m too scared to ever write again. Thanks, Saminasha!
That said, I do find myself sympathizing more with the an- than the pro-.
Yikes! I`m too scared to ever write again. Thanks, Saminasha!
That said, I do find myself sympathizing more with the an- than the pro-.
#10 Posted by Godot on October 25, 2005 8:25:44 am
Ali –
Well, what can I say! Very funny and very well written. Thanks for a good read.
Why does this eerily remind me of a Chow...? Naaah!
#11 Posted by Saminasha on October 25, 2005 8:32:02 am
Re: # 10
Godot,
Do you contribute anything besides translations?
Godot,
Do you contribute anything besides translations?
#13 Posted by Saminasha on October 25, 2005 8:36:33 am
Godot,
And havent you claimed several times that you are smarter than most people?
And havent you claimed several times that you are smarter than most people?
#14 Posted by Saminasha on October 25, 2005 8:38:50 am
Re: # 13
Also, havent you been the first on board to throw your little stones at the chowk fp contributions to at least two interactors for whom your dislike is well known on chowk?
You must see yourself here.
Also, havent you been the first on board to throw your little stones at the chowk fp contributions to at least two interactors for whom your dislike is well known on chowk?
You must see yourself here.
#15 Posted by Saminasha on October 25, 2005 8:40:23 am
Re: # 14
correction:
contributions written by at least two interactors for whom your dislike is well known on chowk?
correction:
contributions written by at least two interactors for whom your dislike is well known on chowk?
#16 Posted by Godot on October 25, 2005 8:46:26 am
Re: # 13 & 14
From my iLog entry...
How does one deal with the Stupid? One doesn’t, no matter how tempting it is.
It’s so easy to take the low road. It’s all downhill, all the way to the pit. The Stupid takes you down that road if you engage with them. In their infuriating stupidity, they tempt you to lower yourself. Tempt you to be cruel, to bring out the worst in you. Tempt you like an alcoholic in a liquor store with pocket full of money, drooling, buying. I have been down that road with them before, and have learned a very valuable lesson: force yourself by taking the low road with them and you lose your own dignity and self-respect. The Stupid does not have a problem with that because they have neither. They tread the low road.
It’s a lot more difficult to take the high road. Not to be tempted. Not unlike an alcoholic in a liquor store with pocket full of money who walks out without a purchase.
The Noble treads the difficult path.
There is no deadlier weapon than the will.
The sharpest sword
Is not equal to it.
There is no robber so dangerous.
Which does the most damage?
Man’s own will.
Ugly and Beautiful complete each other
For it weren’t for Ugly how would we know Beautiful
Ignorance and Knowledge complete each other
For if it weren’t for Ignorance how would we know Knowledge
Stupidity and Intelligence complete each other
For if it weren’t for Stupidity how would we know Intelligence
From my iLog entry...
How does one deal with the Stupid? One doesn’t, no matter how tempting it is.
It’s so easy to take the low road. It’s all downhill, all the way to the pit. The Stupid takes you down that road if you engage with them. In their infuriating stupidity, they tempt you to lower yourself. Tempt you to be cruel, to bring out the worst in you. Tempt you like an alcoholic in a liquor store with pocket full of money, drooling, buying. I have been down that road with them before, and have learned a very valuable lesson: force yourself by taking the low road with them and you lose your own dignity and self-respect. The Stupid does not have a problem with that because they have neither. They tread the low road.
It’s a lot more difficult to take the high road. Not to be tempted. Not unlike an alcoholic in a liquor store with pocket full of money who walks out without a purchase.
The Noble treads the difficult path.
There is no deadlier weapon than the will.
The sharpest sword
Is not equal to it.
There is no robber so dangerous.
Which does the most damage?
Man’s own will.
Ugly and Beautiful complete each other
For it weren’t for Ugly how would we know Beautiful
Ignorance and Knowledge complete each other
For if it weren’t for Ignorance how would we know Knowledge
Stupidity and Intelligence complete each other
For if it weren’t for Stupidity how would we know Intelligence
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