Bye Bye NAM, Hello Realpolitik!

right but may be that is what they want, i.e. polarisation and strife, just like the BJP did, this might reap dividends for them since their objective is to lock the communities into a cycle of strike and counterstrike pulling the state down. India needs to bring the muslims closer to the mainstream, give them a sense of belonging, so that they themselves are on the look out for such characters. The muslims on their part have to disown rabble rousers. A retaliatory bombing might give us schadenfraude but might actually play into the hands of the perpitrators. unlike israel we want to create a single unit not keep the muslims away from the jewish/hindu nation in order to preserve it. Israelis dont want the palestinians as part of the same country, they fear being swamped. so what makes sense for them doesnt make sense for us. land is extremely scarce for them and they are a developed economy, their entire situation is different from us, as is their outlook, we shouldnt blindly replicate their solutions.

Bloody October has turned Eid next week into a somber affair. Muslims all around the world, and especially in Pakistan, shouldn`t waste money on new clothes and Eidee. Instead they should sponsor a family in Azad Kashmir, NWFP or even Delhi. This would be a nice way of thanking India for their $25 million humanitarian aid and thousands of tents that they sent to Pakistan.

Re:hindvi#271

Any individual reacts to both carrots and sticks in life. The same holds true for communities. India has held out a lot of carrots for muslims in India and lately even Pakistan. In India, muslims are doing well and sharing in its economic growth. After the recent earthquake, India showed tremendous goodwill and generosity towards Pakistanis and Kashmiris. But what has it got us? Bomb blasts and death for innocent civilians who have nothing to do with any politics?

If carrots dont work, you need to wield a stick. Basically it is deterrence that if you do something, you or someone who you hold dear will suffer consequences. Then you will thnk 100 times before doing anything. The reason these Lashkar people keep attacking is because there are no consequences for them. Clearly these are shadowy organizations and cant be reached easily. However, if we threaten what they hold dear or claim to represent, i.e. the muslims in South Asia or prominent mosques, then they may hesitate to do anything again in the future. I do not like to say this because it sounds cold to threaten innocent people, but India and even the rest of the non-muslim world is at its wits ends on how to deal with this nuisance.

Re: # 261
I agree with you. Muslims in Jama Masjid area hate non Muslims, especially Sikhs. Try going to Chor Bazaar on sunday afternoon. God forbid if you try to bargain with any of the Muslim shopkeepers, they will make your life miserable. That is Fauji Sikhs travel in a group of 4-5. Sikh Regiment used to be based in Lal Kila till few years ago.

I always felt that Muslims living in Jama Masjid area were most unfriendly and uncilvilized people of Delhi. Drugs, SEX, and all other bad elements of society can found in that area.

However, Muslims of Nizammudin and Shahdara are more cultured and civilized.

but tell me suppose an extremist organisation did this, do they care if a few of their own are also killed after all it will be justified as a sacrifice for the greater good.

Re:hindvi#269

For the past 2-3 years, there have been several instances of Laskar-e-Taiba people trying to setup cells in Delhi. They typically recruit local muslims as a part of their operation. In some cases, the local muslims are recruited in middle-eastern countries where they go for work and meet Lashkar people from Pakistan. The authorities have been able to bust these cells on many occasions but the Lashkar has managed to pull of incidents like the Ayodhya attack and now these bomb blasts.

The question is whether local muslims willingly joined the operation or were innocent low-level operatives who were recruited for logistical help without understanding the mission. If it is the latter, then obviously they do not deserve to be attacked. But if it is the former, then we have to admit that we have a serious problem in our hands. If a religion and its followers decide to behave like mad dogs in the name of religion, they deserve the appropriate punishment.

what if no local muslim did this? would they be then justified in counter bombings?

There is one and only one way to deal with terrorism - give a hard-hitting response against it. The Lashkar-e-Taiba is a well known entity and its leader Prof. Hafeez Saeed and his family lives in Lahore and interacts closely with Pak media and authorities. India must immediately oraganize the assasination of Hafeez Saeed, his subordinates and his family - all of them must die to avenge these bomb blasts. For that whoever needs to be recruited, even the underworld is all right. Whatever money is required, we NRIs can contribute. I for one would happily contribute to a fund to kill Hafeez Saeed and his cronies.

The second response has to be given to local muslims who collaborated with the L-e-T. In a few days these people are going to celebrate Eid. If we hindus have any sense of shame, we will make their Eid as dark as they have made our Diwali. We can also get RDX and plant it in Jama Masjid and 4 other mosques in Delhi. Lets see how they feel when hundreds of their people die during Eid. I hope some hindu organizations will step up to the plate. In fact, I hope the government will organize a response like that to send a message to muslims never to cooperate with the Le-T.

Looking at this strategically, India must immediately halt all earthquake relief to Pakistan and close the LOC right away. Why feed the animals who want to kill us? We also need to carefully look at the border crossings with Nepal and Bangladesh. Both of these are porous, especially the one with Nepal. A lot of jihadi elements are sneaking into India via Nepal and Bangladesh. Our western frontiers are much better guarded. Therefore, we need to fence off Nepal and Bangladesh right away and bring these borders to the same level of security as our borders with Pakistan.

hamidm

while u are right that it doesnt matter if the area is small or big as long as the people are happy, but it is also true that south asia possess a civilizational unity, how that can be best preserved is what modern desis have debated for the last hundred years, wether as a economic union or a confederal structure or a liberal federal one, it is a highly vexing question and no simple answers are possible, personally I favour a liberal, modern loose grouping with common defence and market and historically this was also the best option for preserving the unity of this subcontinent.

Re: # 262 rs
//..... It would be too stupid for Pak dictator to do anything when his own house is burning...//

Come on - does it really matter?..... I mean, the jihadis didn`t just drop from the sky - they have been manfactured deliberately to kill as many hinuds as possible......

So never mind the ``condolences``... or anything else... this ain`t going to stop until you really do what you need to do....... second guessing what pakis might be thinking is useless.....

re: posts # 263, 264
May be it is time for some calm thinking. I used to live in New Delhi before i migrated to US and i simply love that place. Used to live in an area called Karol Bagh and frequent Cannaught Place, Sarojini Nagar. Used to have a friend in Pahar Gang.
Terrorists seem to have tried for maximal human casualties this time. They did this during the Hindu festival of Diwali. One can think of no other reason than to provoke a feeling of religious hatred and trigger riots. IF the opposite happens, then the bombing would have no effect.
If the terrorists think by killing human beings in India, they will have any impact, they are wrong. That is a nation of more than a billion people. How many do they think they can kill?
I urge people on Chowk to be calm. Ranger may be right in what he is saying but then the way to eliminate such people from India would be to go after them individually and eliminate them. Do not hold the whole religion responsible for the misdeeds of some.
Sridhar

//...accept my deepest condolences on the tragedy of New Delhi terrorists ....//

Oh please..... stop it, you pakis are killing us kafirs with your kindness..... and with bombs, of course.....

Anyway - congrats, you have shown to kafirs yet again who is the boss..... Your donations to the jihad is at work here......good job......

Delhi bombings. Who did it ?

Its obvious. Muslims from Delhi and UP. Living in and around Old Delhi. With technical guidance and support from ISI.

We have enemies in our own neighborhood. High time we realised this. Then we can think of ways to tackle this.

re: the Delhi bombings
This is going to be tricky. As clues are being gathered and pieced together, we would know who committed the heinous act. Is it Pakistan? Is it some other disgruntled group of Kashmiri militants? What was the purpose? Why in Delhi?
Things are kind of hazy right now. My personal opinion is Pakistan is not involved. It would be too stupid for Pak dictator to do anything when his own house is burning. India and Pak have agreed to open the LOC to Kashmiris. Has this caused some militants to be unhappy? One has to wait and see.
Sridhar

It i well known to all those familiar with Delhi how the Jama Masjid area is a fertile recruitment ground for ISI........the folks there are more loyal to Pakistan than the Pakistanis themselves....

Hamid, Romair etc....you people are deluded if you think we need character certificates from pukis. Get lost.