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Veeresh and Kulharee... you remind me of the former Iraqi Information Minister... he was quite given to making such outrageous statements as you chaps make... There has been so such report in the International media.. but then again just like the Iraqi information minister... you guys have a twisted sense of reality...

All because... Veeresh has taken his sorry behind- allegedly- to Kashmir now... and in wake of helping out the earthquake victims- has time to write long-winded ``dispassionate`` analyses of how Pakistan will now break up...


Yes... and American stomachs were supposed to be roasted as well... in Iraq...

Re: # 34

Manto, if you are looking for a job, I have a job open in media relations for you. You remind me of Saeed Al-Sharraf (Saddam Hussein`s Minister of Information) who made desperate statements during the war in Iraq to rally the regime`s followers (or to save his ass). My favorite was his claim that the U.S. bomb attacks in Baghdad were Hollywood trickery.

Manto, you really make me laugh.

Veeresh`s World... where Kulharee is king:

World Media: Indian Media

Re: # 29

Veerash, That’s exactly what I have heard from my relatives over the last two weeks as well. My relatives in Kashmir (including those in the Army) have said that they could care less who is helping them, and any help will be God sent. I have heard good things about the banned Islamic Parties (give credit where it is due) in providing medial assistance; but I have also heard horror stories about the inept Pak Army that only helps when cameras are present. The truth of the matter is that Pak Army is a bunch of thugs and sharks – you will only notice it in a few months from now when you see big villas of Army basterds going up in Islamabad and other cities.

If anyone is donating, please send your contributions to Oxfam or Edhi.

Re: # 31/Mantolives, no not just because Veeresh says so, but because the world media parked on the Indian side of the LOC also says so. And because the flow of refugee camp material as well as field hospitals from all parts of India towards POK is already ongoing as well as documented. And because this happens to be disrupting the ongoing Diwali/Eid festival season movements, which is also documented.

As far as we in India can see, we are readying for a fairly large refugee influx. I am not saying why this is happening.

And this ``like East pakistan/Bangladesh`` murmur is also not just because Veeresh says so, but because the world media says so.

I do agree, however, that it is difficult to make a person listen, who does not wish to hear.

And if shooting the messenger comes easily to you, well, so be it. Problem with that, Manto, is that I can see further from Jammu and Srinagar and Rajouri and Poonch and Uri and Baramulla than you can from cosy Lahore. I mean, you couldn`t even see the terrible mess on the Lahore-Wagah railway line, you couldn`t spot the jihad boxes at Lahore Railway Station and now what else is new, you can`t spot the refugees flowing in the natural direction for help.

I guess the POK refugees know that if they tried landing up at, say, `Pindi or Lahore or Multan, there would be people who would deny that there was a refugee problem.

Right, Yasser? What refugee problem in POK, no?

... yes now they are flowing into India... because Veeresh said so...

ironically, one of the things to keep the earthquake news in media is the controversial relationship with india and the aid from across the border. and al-zawahiris new tape requesting aid.

Re: # 27, Romair/27.

No, I am not hoping that this earthquake will cause the breakup of Pakistan. I am aware of the track record of Pakistan going about breaking itself once in 1971 (and blaming India for it), and I am asking for dispassionate opinions on whether Pakistan may well be leading to a repeat performance (and blaming India for it again).

And my being an Indian has no bearing on what I placed as a dispassionate question.

I am sure the Kashmiris are appreciating whatever comes their way in this time of their need. Yes, we all know where relief aid from abroad goes, if even 10 paisa in the rupee gets to the ground level, it shall be a wonder from heaven. But heaven is not being particularly kind to Kashmir lately.

And since you are so much in awe of your ``Muslim friends``, I shall be indeed looking forward to seeing how many Kashmir refugees are rehabilitated in Turkey, UAE or Saudi Arabia.

You can, ofcourse, catch the latest on refugees from POK flowing into India on television already.

Re: # 24

Turly, that’s a nice cartoon. It summarizes the international affairs of today. While Pakistanis are busy killing Shias, Christians and Ahmadis, it is no wonder that someone (EU or the US) will have to step up to the plate to claim the leadership to help the victims of the earthquake. Do you have any insight into when the next suicide attack against the Shais will take place in Pakistan. Do you think it will be on or around Nikki Eid?

Vereesh #: Are you hoping that this earthquake will lead to the break up of Pakistan? Is that all that you can see in this tragedy?

I hope other Indians can see more than that. I think this earthquake has had exactly the opposite affect. I think people across the length and breadth of Pakistan have assisted and the Kashmiris will greatly appreciate that.

Hardly anyone from India has assisted. Most have caused more problems, and have tried to take cheap shots, like yourself. While many of Pakistan Muslim friends have helped greatly, like Turkey, UAE and Saudi Arabia. Without taking any cheap shots...........

Re: #16 by veeresh on October 24, 2005 1:32am PT

``Have you any idea how women in these areas may have been screaming even before the earthquake? That`s half the population, not just a million or so.`` veeresh

I note that Mukhtar Mai, a Pakistani rape victim who became a beacon for women`s rights, will be honored in the U.S.A. this week and that she was selected by ABC`s national news as Person of the Week last Friday. Incidentally, Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy, a man I much admire, also appeard briefly on a U.S.A. nightly news channel a couple of days ago.

mirmir

One crocodile is missing from the pisture, guess which one.

Why all this concern with what OTHERS may or may not have given? I hope that it isn`t to ease your own conscience for failure to contribute. It would be much more fruitful to ask yourself ``How much have I given?`` Every contribution, however small, would help someone. mirmir

Dispassionate views solicited.

The emergence of Bangladesh in 1971 was preceded by separatist movements that crossed the Indo-Pak borders. Natural disasters and denial of democracy in then East Pakistan were the next catalysts for refugee movements into India. These very refugees then formed the bulwark that removed Pakistan from the scene.

The current situation in POK is similar. Apart from a flow of Kashmiris from POK/Azad Kashmir moving towards the LOC for survival, where frankly they will end up living as refugees, reports of recently converted Muslims from POK/Azad Kashmir flocking back towards Hindu & Sikh relatives living in Jammu & Kashmir and elsewhere in India are no longer anecdotal or restricted to the now famous Tandon episode during this earthquake.

What happens next, does POK/Azad Kashmir shrug off the Pakistani saddle like East Pakistan did?

There is reason enough to think that this might happen with POK/Azad Kashmir.

There is absolutely no reason to think that this may happen with J&K, Ladakh/Leh.

What, then?

Umair...

A brilliant article... let it resonate...

And welcome back after a long absence ...