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#99 by Mantolives

[These Gandhian tactics, this abuse, hypocrisy and double standards never worked... they will never work..]

OTOH, old boy Jinnah`s tactics like propaganda, blackmail, and rioting might just work fine. So keep trying Behram, you might get there one day!

Sorry folks, I have no intention of turning this into another Gandhi-Jinnah slanging match, but simply could not resist this.

Behram...

Keep your head high my friend...

These Gandhian tactics, this abuse, hypocrisy and double standards never worked... they will never work..

So let Rsridhar, Gandhiji`s biggest follower, roll around in his own defaecation.

Chowk staff please take note of Rsidhar`s abuse against Pakistanis...

#90 by rsridhar on October 24, 2005 8:45pm PT
re:#88 by behram1
Your worst enemy, Mr Mofukcer, is your own Army and the shitty brain of yours and your countrymen which thinks Army is your saviour.
sridhar
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#89 by rsridhar on October 24, 2005 8:43pm PT
re:#85 by behram1
It hurts because i have to constantly interact with mofuckers like u.
Sridhar
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Re: # 95, Behram, you said: ````Pakistan needs planes and materials etc. from the west.````

Behram, and other Pakistani interactors here, when needed, Pakistan`s Great Believer Friends from just one country, Saudi Arabia, can move millions of people (for a fairly hefty fee, of course) from all over the world to do a pilgrimage that involves every form of airplane, ship, heavy machinery, infrastructure building, the works.

The Haj organisations alone could have moved more relief material into Kashmir if they had wanted to. There are full tented cities with all requirements including hospitals lying ready and packed, but then, no, you guys want it from NATO and the US. Wow, what brilliance, what dignity, what religious truth.

Apart from sending preachers and fundamentalists to prey on the minds of the already devastated, what else have you seen by way of planes and materials from your Believer friends, then? Has even one of those personal airplanes parked at airports all over the Arab countries been put on medical repatriation duty, carrying injured Pakistanis to superb hospitals built all over the deserts? (with Indian and Pakistani labour, sure . . .)

You need planes and materials from the West like you need a collective hole in your heads, to borrow words already borrowed by Ayaz Amir.

You need to take whatever is coming your way and just get along with saving lives. How does it matter what colour a cat is if it kills mice?

Your people up there in the mountains, they know this, and they are voting with their feet as they walk towards the LOC to send their weak and wounded into Jammu & Kashmir. You and your sort can pull those ``India is the enemy`` arguments out of your socks again and again, but for the rest of the world, the toe-jam is smelly and old and not viable anymore, so put it back in.

Every refugee who walks across the LOC is going to have a story about how s/he could have saved another few lives if the Indians had been allowed to help earlier. Watch it on the television in a few days.

And what good will screaming be, then?

Behram1 #77: ``And what are these 350,000 or so going to do in the Pakistani economy. I have no idea as to what the current unemployment rate in Pakistan is? Do you know the current unemployment rate in Pakistan?``

Good question.......

Reductions and downsizing are done gradually. Not immediately. As people retire, they are not replaced. In addition, slowly certain units, divisions etc. can be filtered into civilian institutions. Nearly all the jawans and many of the officers, now, come from villages. They can be put into the education dept., and sent back to the villages as teachers........

In addition, academic institutions, like NUST have already spread out into the civilian sector. Their civilian participation can be increased, greatly. Also much of the armament producing branches can be privatized and set up as export-oriented industries in the private sector. Pakistan produces fighters, with China, and re-engineers submarines etc. So on and so forth....Downsizing is not that hard to do. It requires will power and a change in direction.....

Pakistan should have a nucler deternece and a citizen`s army. Much like Singapore and Switzerland have a citizen`s army...........It needs to be able to deter an Indian attack for about three days, and launch nukes, if necessary. That can be done with 250k soldiers and airmen etc.

Re: # 92

Dear veeresh:

I am not an expert in any kind of logistics. As for the other question [As for the (infidel??) US and NATO forces being your friends, what happened to the forces from the Great Muslim Countries who (believers?) are your True Friends?]

Pakistan needs planes and materials etc. from the west and not necessarily just human bodies. Pakistan`s armed forces is quite capable of handling the situation by itself. It is just that they do not have heavy machinery to provide relief to the victims.

Respectfully submitted,

OK, let us all scream, and see what good that does?

Interim, here is a suggestion:- let us all see if we can use our collective screaming to influence even one Pakistani rich family to rent out at below market rates just a part of their farmhouses in or around `Pindi to us at chowk, where we shall try to place a few Kashmiri familes for this winter?

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Re: # 88,

Dear Behram, from here, it seems to me as though the Pakistani Armed Forces are Pakistan`s biggest enemies. I mean, that is what your media and your political parties and your people on the street go on about day in and day out.

And this is a perception as well as a fact borne out by historical evidence as well as current-day events.

As for the (infidel??) US and NATO forces being your friends, what happened to the forces from the Great Muslim Countries who (believers?) are your True Friends?

Anyway, my point is different. My point is that you can not stop nature. People are crossing the LOC from POK into J&K even as I write this, for help, and those that deserve it, they are getting it. The informal refugee camps closer to the LOC are a fact of life, and the formal ones further inland, near Jammu, are now ready for the winter.


From BBC:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4371420.stm

Delhi`s offer to open relief centres at three points along the LoC is the latest in a series of initiatives from either side, following the 8 October quake which devastated much of the fiercely disputed mountain region.

India`s army says it now has two camps ready to help victims from Pakistani-controlled territory - one at Teetwal and the other in Poonch district near Jammu.

``We have set up a 100-bed tent hospital which includes a 10-bed emergency unit for those who are critically injured,`` a spokesman told the Associated Press in Chakan Dabagh, 250km (155 miles) west of Jammu.

In Islamabad, however, Pakistan`s Foreign Ministry said allowing people to receive treatment in Indian camps would first require agreement on the wider issue of cross-Kashmir travel.

Re: # 87

Dear veeresh:

What are you high on? [the Indian soldiers would provide superior leadership and disaster recovery skills and then head back to their barracks] They have not done that since partition. Indian politicians thought that Pakistanis would fall for such a political drama.

When the time comes, we will all be screaming [for the women impacted by gender suppression, for the abscence of democracy, for religious and ethnic cleansing, for those impacted by the Mangla Dam, for theft of relief funds.]

But until then, let us all scream for help from everyone (minus Indian soldiers).

Respectfully submitted,

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Re: # 84

Dear veeresh:

Thank you so much with your response. I am not aware on the nuances of the Indian or Pakistani armed forces. What I do know is that we do not trust each other. And that is a fact. And until such time that some trust is established we have to live with that.

Indian armed forces are considered as our enemies whereas NATO or US forces are not. It is that simple. You should know that.

Respectfully submitted,

Re: # 83, Behram & Romair, let me put it this way, the Indian soldiers would provide superior leadership and disaster recovery skills and then head back to their barracks, while the Pakistani soldiers would be busy ensuring that their rule continued uninterrupted.

And yes, ofcourse, many from both sides would continue with selective screaming.

Scream for the earthquake victims.

Do not scream for the women impacted by gender suppression.
Do not scream for the abscence of democracy.
Do not scream for religious and ethnic cleansing.
Do not scream for those impacted by the Mangla Dam.
Do not scream for theft of relief funds.

OK, I can understand, you would rather wail for US and NATO soldiers. But why are the Pakistanis making it so difficult for the world media to cover the truths?

re:#37 by godot
It will be instructive to see how much of Pak`s GDP its Army consumes (just for the pretense of defending its borders, so much so that it failed to provide relief to Quake victims for the first 48h. Why? Of course, they were defending the LOC!) and if Army`s extravaganza should not be curtailed. Pak does not need aid from outside. It needs to prune down its Army expense and curtail corruption.
This tragedy also exposed another myth: that India is ready to gobble up Pak. This should have been the easiest time to cross the LOC and take over the territorry (if someone is sick enough to think of it) but India did not.
So, at the cost of repetition, it is worth repeating to my Pak friends here one important lesson: a democracy does not wage a war unprovoked.
It is now time to collaborate and help the victims.
Sridhar

Re: # 81

Dear rsridhar:

[Sorry, i got to say what is in my mind even though it hurts.]

Don`t worry about it. There is nothing in your mind. Just chunks of rocks bouncing around. That is why it hurts.

Respectfully submitted,