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Umair A Khan October 23, 2005
#161 Posted by veeresh on October 26, 2005 8:52:00 pm
Re: # 159 Romair said ``It just needs a military, to hold back India for a day or two, so that it can launch nukes.``
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Gosh, Romair, you are really really out of touch with reality. If you think that the whole Indo-Pak thing is a contest, forget it! We have our lives to lead in India, and I do not see any ``invasion`` of Pakistan as being any part of it. If anything, Bangladesh is capable of creating more of a problem for India now than pakistan.
Yes, it does seem as though Pakistan is in re-shaping mode already, if you look at what is happening in Baluchistan and the North West as well as the Tribal belts adjoining Afghanistan. That is your internal issue, then again, for most of you, even Lahore Railway Station is a distant land as you go on and on about Lahore Airport, so how would you know?
Yes, Indian Sukhois have now been flying over Islamabad at 65-70000 feet for the past few years without being challenged, so what, the Americans have been doing it for almost a decade now, or more. But your Government has to make a fuss about Indian choppers with Indian pilots, even if they were going to be in United Nations colours. (White choppers with UN written on them operated by people wearing blue berets, and I know that these were on stand-bye)
Bandwidth into Pakistan is from Indian companies. tea is from Indian companies. Trucks, highways, these are from Indian companies. On the other hand, Indian companies are setting up assembly plants for two-wheelers and irrigation pumpsets in Pakistan. One of the most succesful solar programmes in the world is in in rural Pakistan and is in collaboaration with, right, you guessed it, an Indian company. Pakistani medicos are now interning under Indian doctors in Indian hospitals. Indian doctors are going into Pakistan to set up branches.
Look at the positive side of what I am saying.
Is that too much to ask or will you continue leading poor and illiterate people along the path of imaginary fears, as your rulers have been doing for decades now?
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Gosh, Romair, you are really really out of touch with reality. If you think that the whole Indo-Pak thing is a contest, forget it! We have our lives to lead in India, and I do not see any ``invasion`` of Pakistan as being any part of it. If anything, Bangladesh is capable of creating more of a problem for India now than pakistan.
Yes, it does seem as though Pakistan is in re-shaping mode already, if you look at what is happening in Baluchistan and the North West as well as the Tribal belts adjoining Afghanistan. That is your internal issue, then again, for most of you, even Lahore Railway Station is a distant land as you go on and on about Lahore Airport, so how would you know?
Yes, Indian Sukhois have now been flying over Islamabad at 65-70000 feet for the past few years without being challenged, so what, the Americans have been doing it for almost a decade now, or more. But your Government has to make a fuss about Indian choppers with Indian pilots, even if they were going to be in United Nations colours. (White choppers with UN written on them operated by people wearing blue berets, and I know that these were on stand-bye)
Bandwidth into Pakistan is from Indian companies. tea is from Indian companies. Trucks, highways, these are from Indian companies. On the other hand, Indian companies are setting up assembly plants for two-wheelers and irrigation pumpsets in Pakistan. One of the most succesful solar programmes in the world is in in rural Pakistan and is in collaboaration with, right, you guessed it, an Indian company. Pakistani medicos are now interning under Indian doctors in Indian hospitals. Indian doctors are going into Pakistan to set up branches.
Look at the positive side of what I am saying.
Is that too much to ask or will you continue leading poor and illiterate people along the path of imaginary fears, as your rulers have been doing for decades now?
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#162 Posted by avkrishna on October 27, 2005 6:12:37 am
The scream is being heard and repeated ....
Today`s editorial from WashingtonPost
Uncharitable Charity
Thursday, October 27, 2005; Page A26
RICH COUNTRIES should give more money to poor ones. But it`s even more obvious that, when they do give money, they should do so in a helpful way. The United States, for example, should not promise food for famine victims half a world away, then allow those victims to starve because it insists that the food must be bought domestically and shipped across the ocean on American vessels. Yet this and other forms of ``tied aid`` are common. A Bush administration plan to untie part of U.S. food aid is being held up in Congress.
The latest example of uncharitable charity comes from the Kashmir earthquake. Some 80,000 people have died as a result of the quake, nearly all of them in Pakistan, but relief workers say that the death toll is sure to rise further unless help arrives immediately. About 3 million people are homeless, many of them in inaccessible mountain villages, and the punishing Himalayan winter arrives soon. People need shelter and food to survive the freezing temperatures, but bad weather is already hampering helicopter relief missions, and once the winter sets in, further relief may become impossible. Medical help is even more urgent. At least 75,000 people were severely injured by the quake, and many are suffering infections for lack of timely medical care. Limbs that could have been saved must now be amputated.
Against this background, the United Nations convened a conference of donors yesterday. Rich countries stepped forward with pledges of $580 million. But less than $16 million of that was for immediate relief, leaving the United Nations with just a fifth of what it says it needs over the next few weeks. A new $251 million pledge from the Islamic Development Bank is supposed to be spent on long-term reconstruction, and the same is true of an earlier pledge for $333 million from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait. The European Commission has promised $96 million for reconstruction, but just over $2 million for immediate use. In a rare instance of understatement from a relief official, Jan Egeland of the United Nations commented: ``It is, in my view, not right to sit with reconstruction money for one year from now if we`re not sure whether those people will be alive one year from now.``
The earthquake was a natural tragedy; the postdated checks from donors are a man-made one. What`s needed now is cash that can be spent immediately, along with more helicopters; the relief agency Oxfam has also called for tents to be released from military stockpiles, because suitable ones can`t be procured on the world market fast enough. Pakistan`s government could help by setting aside historical suspicion and accepting India`s offer of helicopters, rather than objecting to the fact that Indian helicopters come with Indian crews. But the outside world, and particularly the United States and its allies, have an interest in doing their part. Kashmir is home to Islamic terrorists whose war against the Indian government does not preclude attacks on Western targets. If the West stands by while thousands die from infections and hypothermia, it will fuel the anger from which the terrorists gain.
Today`s editorial from WashingtonPost
Uncharitable Charity
Thursday, October 27, 2005; Page A26
RICH COUNTRIES should give more money to poor ones. But it`s even more obvious that, when they do give money, they should do so in a helpful way. The United States, for example, should not promise food for famine victims half a world away, then allow those victims to starve because it insists that the food must be bought domestically and shipped across the ocean on American vessels. Yet this and other forms of ``tied aid`` are common. A Bush administration plan to untie part of U.S. food aid is being held up in Congress.
The latest example of uncharitable charity comes from the Kashmir earthquake. Some 80,000 people have died as a result of the quake, nearly all of them in Pakistan, but relief workers say that the death toll is sure to rise further unless help arrives immediately. About 3 million people are homeless, many of them in inaccessible mountain villages, and the punishing Himalayan winter arrives soon. People need shelter and food to survive the freezing temperatures, but bad weather is already hampering helicopter relief missions, and once the winter sets in, further relief may become impossible. Medical help is even more urgent. At least 75,000 people were severely injured by the quake, and many are suffering infections for lack of timely medical care. Limbs that could have been saved must now be amputated.
Against this background, the United Nations convened a conference of donors yesterday. Rich countries stepped forward with pledges of $580 million. But less than $16 million of that was for immediate relief, leaving the United Nations with just a fifth of what it says it needs over the next few weeks. A new $251 million pledge from the Islamic Development Bank is supposed to be spent on long-term reconstruction, and the same is true of an earlier pledge for $333 million from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait. The European Commission has promised $96 million for reconstruction, but just over $2 million for immediate use. In a rare instance of understatement from a relief official, Jan Egeland of the United Nations commented: ``It is, in my view, not right to sit with reconstruction money for one year from now if we`re not sure whether those people will be alive one year from now.``
The earthquake was a natural tragedy; the postdated checks from donors are a man-made one. What`s needed now is cash that can be spent immediately, along with more helicopters; the relief agency Oxfam has also called for tents to be released from military stockpiles, because suitable ones can`t be procured on the world market fast enough. Pakistan`s government could help by setting aside historical suspicion and accepting India`s offer of helicopters, rather than objecting to the fact that Indian helicopters come with Indian crews. But the outside world, and particularly the United States and its allies, have an interest in doing their part. Kashmir is home to Islamic terrorists whose war against the Indian government does not preclude attacks on Western targets. If the West stands by while thousands die from infections and hypothermia, it will fuel the anger from which the terrorists gain.
#163 Posted by Behram1 on October 27, 2005 8:04:09 am
Re: # 158
Romair #158: Your twisted and fuzzy logic becomes rubbish about your posts. I have mentioned several times that please be crisp, clear and pointed. Most of us are not interested in your narratives. That is what the actual articles are supposed to generate. On some sites your posts are much more voluminous than the article itself. You can decide to just post one or two comments.
But, it appears to me that you create an unnecessary dialogue, and over take the article itself. It is rude and disrespectful in and of itself. I wonder how the writer’s must be feeling. It is similar to inviting you to my house, and you start telling me everything what is wrong with my house and with me.
Just look at the first few comments posted by most people. One-liners mostly. Until you show up with your long drawn out logic, and then all hell breaks loose. And you call it a discussion.
Sir, I can be sure that is not what the writer’s intended to be. Mostly, it is you that tears to whole articles intention. And you must stop doing that.
Now, commenting your mostly ridiculous argument that mafia’s are considered businesses. Maybe you consider a thief as business, but I don’t. I don’t consider a thief as a business. People who don’t pay taxes are thieves, as well as those tax collecting government bureaucrats who show mechanism of avoiding tax collecting.
I never knew that businesses are institutions until I heard your definition.
I have never said that Pakistan is not a corrupt country. It is because of the institutions inside Pakistan, and yes institutions are made of people. But, there is a dynamics of institutions, in and of itself that breed corruption. And that is true with all countries. The level of corruption just varies. And that is why Pakistan has attained that distinction in being the corrupt country.
But this argument does not validate your thought regarding group being corrupt. And that is where we were at the beginning of this long drawn discussion.
Your constantly change the variables, the bases of your arguments. You constantly compare values Pakistan and the US. Pakistan is not the US. It could be one but it is not. There are 200 years of methodical implementation of institutional values. Pakistan has 60 years of methodical destruction of institutional values. Do you see the difference?
Mostly those who were part of the so-called institution brought this destruction, namely the military, the mullahs, and some politicians. Any and all of the intellectuals were side stepped by these players of the institutions.
{The business community, like any community, in an institution.} I disagree. I do not consider businesses as institution.
[The Income Tax dept, in Pakistan, is considered one of the most corrupt in Pakistan.] It is the enforcement that is lacking. This institution is corrupt. Just like police is corrupt and they go about raping women. Would you argue that women want to be raped, because your President thinks that’s what it is? Are you nuts?
Again, mafias are not businesses in my opinion. You might consider people who sell opium as businesses, but I don’t.
[It is people and businesses, who bribe Wapda employees to make sure their homes and businesses don`t have to pay correct electricity bills, etc.] Again, the bureaucrats of institution established the system first.
[I have never done a penny of corruption in my life. But being in this group, I am also an indirect beneficiary.] This is where your logic gets twisted. Just because you are a Muslim does not make you a terrorist. Just because I was born in Pakistan does not make me corrupt.
I will let my argument rest for a while by agreeing with you that all people in Pakistan should take leadership and bring corrupt institutions under control […lets …… clean out the houses of the institutions only]
Romair #158: Your twisted and fuzzy logic becomes rubbish about your posts. I have mentioned several times that please be crisp, clear and pointed. Most of us are not interested in your narratives. That is what the actual articles are supposed to generate. On some sites your posts are much more voluminous than the article itself. You can decide to just post one or two comments.
But, it appears to me that you create an unnecessary dialogue, and over take the article itself. It is rude and disrespectful in and of itself. I wonder how the writer’s must be feeling. It is similar to inviting you to my house, and you start telling me everything what is wrong with my house and with me.
Just look at the first few comments posted by most people. One-liners mostly. Until you show up with your long drawn out logic, and then all hell breaks loose. And you call it a discussion.
Sir, I can be sure that is not what the writer’s intended to be. Mostly, it is you that tears to whole articles intention. And you must stop doing that.
Now, commenting your mostly ridiculous argument that mafia’s are considered businesses. Maybe you consider a thief as business, but I don’t. I don’t consider a thief as a business. People who don’t pay taxes are thieves, as well as those tax collecting government bureaucrats who show mechanism of avoiding tax collecting.
I never knew that businesses are institutions until I heard your definition.
I have never said that Pakistan is not a corrupt country. It is because of the institutions inside Pakistan, and yes institutions are made of people. But, there is a dynamics of institutions, in and of itself that breed corruption. And that is true with all countries. The level of corruption just varies. And that is why Pakistan has attained that distinction in being the corrupt country.
But this argument does not validate your thought regarding group being corrupt. And that is where we were at the beginning of this long drawn discussion.
Your constantly change the variables, the bases of your arguments. You constantly compare values Pakistan and the US. Pakistan is not the US. It could be one but it is not. There are 200 years of methodical implementation of institutional values. Pakistan has 60 years of methodical destruction of institutional values. Do you see the difference?
Mostly those who were part of the so-called institution brought this destruction, namely the military, the mullahs, and some politicians. Any and all of the intellectuals were side stepped by these players of the institutions.
{The business community, like any community, in an institution.} I disagree. I do not consider businesses as institution.
[The Income Tax dept, in Pakistan, is considered one of the most corrupt in Pakistan.] It is the enforcement that is lacking. This institution is corrupt. Just like police is corrupt and they go about raping women. Would you argue that women want to be raped, because your President thinks that’s what it is? Are you nuts?
Again, mafias are not businesses in my opinion. You might consider people who sell opium as businesses, but I don’t.
[It is people and businesses, who bribe Wapda employees to make sure their homes and businesses don`t have to pay correct electricity bills, etc.] Again, the bureaucrats of institution established the system first.
[I have never done a penny of corruption in my life. But being in this group, I am also an indirect beneficiary.] This is where your logic gets twisted. Just because you are a Muslim does not make you a terrorist. Just because I was born in Pakistan does not make me corrupt.
I will let my argument rest for a while by agreeing with you that all people in Pakistan should take leadership and bring corrupt institutions under control […lets …… clean out the houses of the institutions only]
#165 Posted by khamkhwa. on October 27, 2005 9:32:33 am
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#166 Posted by mohammedamjed on October 27, 2005 10:41:00 am
Iowa Asian Alliance Foundation, a subsidiary of the Iowa Asian Alliance, a network of fifteen Asian communities in Iowa has established SOUTH ASIAN EARTHQUAKE RELIEF FUND to help provide emergency medical relief for victims of earthquake in Kashmir and northern areas of Pakistan. This fund will be used to provide focused medical care in affected area. Doctors rotating on 2-week basis take necessary medical equipment such as orthopedic cases, antibiotics, pain killers, bandages, sutures.
Funds will not be handed over to government functionaries or organizations with large overheads. We will buy medical supplies as carry on luggage to be transported to Pakistan by Pakistani doctors providing emergency relief in the hard to reach areas. Donations are tax-deductible and can be mailed to: Mohammed Amjed, 12841 Sunset Terrace, Clive, Iowa 50325, Phone 515-223-9202; e mail: amjed12841@hotmail.com. Write your checks to: SOUTH ASIAN EARTH QUAKE RELIEF.
We need US government`s immediate help in airlifting winterized tents, sleeping bags, blankets, mobile X-Ray machines, electric generators, orthopedic cases, pneumatic drilling machines with hoses. Please call the governor in each state and your Congressman to line up support. America is capable of doing a lot more.
Funds will not be handed over to government functionaries or organizations with large overheads. We will buy medical supplies as carry on luggage to be transported to Pakistan by Pakistani doctors providing emergency relief in the hard to reach areas. Donations are tax-deductible and can be mailed to: Mohammed Amjed, 12841 Sunset Terrace, Clive, Iowa 50325, Phone 515-223-9202; e mail: amjed12841@hotmail.com. Write your checks to: SOUTH ASIAN EARTH QUAKE RELIEF.
We need US government`s immediate help in airlifting winterized tents, sleeping bags, blankets, mobile X-Ray machines, electric generators, orthopedic cases, pneumatic drilling machines with hoses. Please call the governor in each state and your Congressman to line up support. America is capable of doing a lot more.
#167 Posted by khamkhwa. on October 27, 2005 10:43:23 am
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#168 Posted by mohammedamjed on October 27, 2005 10:44:19 am
Dear Chowk Editors:
Please keep Umair Khan`s SCREAM on the front page.
Please keep Umair Khan`s SCREAM on the front page.
#169 Posted by Romair on October 27, 2005 11:21:03 am
Behram1 #163: As I stated earlier, if you want to interact with someone, then accept the writing style of the individual. If you don`t like the writing style, don`t interact with them. I am not trying to get you to change your writing style. Please don`t try to change mine........
Institutions are nothing more than the people who are their members. And there are honest poeple in every institution and group. But as a whole, Pakistan is a very corrupt country. And in any corrupt country, it is the affluent and the powerful who will be carrying out the most corruption, as a group. Since they have access to the most resources. And all of us on Chowk, are part of the affluent group. We must take responsibility, instead of always passing it onto others.......
The business community is as corrupt, as anyone else. The business community works through various institutions, and it works with various institutions. This includes the various Chambers of Commerce, Securities Exchanges, various Business organizations, Income Tax, Wapda, Customs etc. If you don`t think these organizations are corrupt, then I think both you and I have a different idea of how business gets done in Pakistan.
Just a simple customs collector in Pakistan can make a fortune. How exactly does he do that? He does it by accepting bribes on items that come into the country for various business houses. Similarly, how can the Income Tax dept. be corrupt, without someone on the other end, who is carrying on tax evasion? The larges amount of tax evasion is by the business community.........
The highest level of corruption, in a poor society, will always occur amongst the most affluent group. In Pakistan, the dice is heavily loaded in our favor. And unfortunately, we, as a community (which includes Chowk crowd) have let the society down. There are individual stories of success, and perhaps as you claim you maybe one. But as a whole, we, the group, have been a failure............
In any case, let`s agree to disagree..........If you don`t feel you have to take responsibility for the problems and corruption in Pakistan, that is your choice. But I do take responsibility. That is my choice........And I doubt we will be able to convince each other, of our views..........
Institutions are nothing more than the people who are their members. And there are honest poeple in every institution and group. But as a whole, Pakistan is a very corrupt country. And in any corrupt country, it is the affluent and the powerful who will be carrying out the most corruption, as a group. Since they have access to the most resources. And all of us on Chowk, are part of the affluent group. We must take responsibility, instead of always passing it onto others.......
The business community is as corrupt, as anyone else. The business community works through various institutions, and it works with various institutions. This includes the various Chambers of Commerce, Securities Exchanges, various Business organizations, Income Tax, Wapda, Customs etc. If you don`t think these organizations are corrupt, then I think both you and I have a different idea of how business gets done in Pakistan.
Just a simple customs collector in Pakistan can make a fortune. How exactly does he do that? He does it by accepting bribes on items that come into the country for various business houses. Similarly, how can the Income Tax dept. be corrupt, without someone on the other end, who is carrying on tax evasion? The larges amount of tax evasion is by the business community.........
The highest level of corruption, in a poor society, will always occur amongst the most affluent group. In Pakistan, the dice is heavily loaded in our favor. And unfortunately, we, as a community (which includes Chowk crowd) have let the society down. There are individual stories of success, and perhaps as you claim you maybe one. But as a whole, we, the group, have been a failure............
In any case, let`s agree to disagree..........If you don`t feel you have to take responsibility for the problems and corruption in Pakistan, that is your choice. But I do take responsibility. That is my choice........And I doubt we will be able to convince each other, of our views..........
#170 Posted by Behram1 on October 27, 2005 1:31:02 pm
Re: # 169
Romair #169: Interacting with someone who stands at a street corner is different than interacting at this site. Generally, your interaction at almost all sites, it seems to me appears from left field. You build your arguments gradually with references of other people’s post, and that is interaction. You control the discussion unnecessary and twist and turn in whichever way you do, and that is interaction. You are not sitting in the corner somewhere that I can ignore you. I wish that I could ignore you, but I can’t.
And you call all of this your writing style. Why don’t you just write articles for the chowk and see how that makes you feel when others tear you down. Sitting in the corner and poking all convoluted points does not carry the conversation forward.
I will continue to expect that you will provide some respect to others, because you are part of this conversation whether one likes it or not. It is not enough, just to say that one has a foul mouth that is easily detectable. What about an opinion that is expressed and cannot be contained to decipher what the heck it is.
Your mumbo jumbo continues between institutions (that is corrupt) and people of Pakistan. The two are not the same and should never be evaluated in the same breath. The custom’s officer that you cited is part of an institution and as such takes baksheesh. Totally wrong, I agree. People who have nothing to do with that particular institution will not give baksheesh. And the example can go on and on.
It is the collective nature of institution that promotes corruption. And that has been my argument from the onset of this issue with you. If the enforcement of construction were as we find in California, then your example would be bogus. The death in San Francisco was limited in their recent earthquake. I know you would bring a new variable of low level on the Richter scale, etc, or whatever your argument would desire.
[Institutions are nothing more than the people who are their members.] Correct, but institutions have their own identity of their own where corruption breeds. You want to suggest that every single person of Palestine was corrupt, because of the shenanigans of their leadership.
Please do not mix the institution with group. I have known individuals in United Bank as corrupt but I would not call the whole Bank as corrupt. This is because Banks are in commerce and they can never be corrupt. You want to suggest that BCCI as an institution was corrupt.
Once again, I am assuming that you are defining corruption as financial corruption.
I completely disagree with this rubbish talk about [And in any corrupt country, it is the affluent and the powerful who will be carrying out the most corruption, as a group. Since they have access to the most resources.]. Then why do we not ask the National Accountability Board make up their freaking mind, and indict somebody? They are trying to create a corrupt institution. And that has been my argument all along.
How can an ordinary thellah walla be corrupt when the police are pounding up for the bhatta? He might be doing something illegal, and he should not. The police as an institution asks for, nay demand, and get away with corruption.
[If you don`t feel you have to take responsibility for the problems and corruption in Pakistan, that is your choice. But I do take responsibility. That is my choice...] You are not taking responsibility by claiming that “shucks everyone in Pakistan is corrupt”. I am not corrupt and will not allow you or anyone else to argue such a ridiculous thought. I will not agree to disagree with you.
Romair #169: Interacting with someone who stands at a street corner is different than interacting at this site. Generally, your interaction at almost all sites, it seems to me appears from left field. You build your arguments gradually with references of other people’s post, and that is interaction. You control the discussion unnecessary and twist and turn in whichever way you do, and that is interaction. You are not sitting in the corner somewhere that I can ignore you. I wish that I could ignore you, but I can’t.
And you call all of this your writing style. Why don’t you just write articles for the chowk and see how that makes you feel when others tear you down. Sitting in the corner and poking all convoluted points does not carry the conversation forward.
I will continue to expect that you will provide some respect to others, because you are part of this conversation whether one likes it or not. It is not enough, just to say that one has a foul mouth that is easily detectable. What about an opinion that is expressed and cannot be contained to decipher what the heck it is.
Your mumbo jumbo continues between institutions (that is corrupt) and people of Pakistan. The two are not the same and should never be evaluated in the same breath. The custom’s officer that you cited is part of an institution and as such takes baksheesh. Totally wrong, I agree. People who have nothing to do with that particular institution will not give baksheesh. And the example can go on and on.
It is the collective nature of institution that promotes corruption. And that has been my argument from the onset of this issue with you. If the enforcement of construction were as we find in California, then your example would be bogus. The death in San Francisco was limited in their recent earthquake. I know you would bring a new variable of low level on the Richter scale, etc, or whatever your argument would desire.
[Institutions are nothing more than the people who are their members.] Correct, but institutions have their own identity of their own where corruption breeds. You want to suggest that every single person of Palestine was corrupt, because of the shenanigans of their leadership.
Please do not mix the institution with group. I have known individuals in United Bank as corrupt but I would not call the whole Bank as corrupt. This is because Banks are in commerce and they can never be corrupt. You want to suggest that BCCI as an institution was corrupt.
Once again, I am assuming that you are defining corruption as financial corruption.
I completely disagree with this rubbish talk about [And in any corrupt country, it is the affluent and the powerful who will be carrying out the most corruption, as a group. Since they have access to the most resources.]. Then why do we not ask the National Accountability Board make up their freaking mind, and indict somebody? They are trying to create a corrupt institution. And that has been my argument all along.
How can an ordinary thellah walla be corrupt when the police are pounding up for the bhatta? He might be doing something illegal, and he should not. The police as an institution asks for, nay demand, and get away with corruption.
[If you don`t feel you have to take responsibility for the problems and corruption in Pakistan, that is your choice. But I do take responsibility. That is my choice...] You are not taking responsibility by claiming that “shucks everyone in Pakistan is corrupt”. I am not corrupt and will not allow you or anyone else to argue such a ridiculous thought. I will not agree to disagree with you.
#171 Posted by ZahraJ on October 27, 2005 2:05:21 pm
Now, this is another attempt to send some tents to Pakistan. Please check it out. If you have any questions/concerns/issues or suggestions, please send your responses to HDF directly. Thanks.
> Easier way to Doanate Tents for the Earth Quake
> area in Pakistan
> >>
> >>One of the most desperately needed items in
> Pakistan these days is
> >>winterized tents. For those of us abroad, now
> there is a way to
> send
> >>tents to Pakistan without any hassle. Yes ladies
> and gentlemen,
> someone is
> >>actually using their head! :)
> >>
> >>The Human Development Foundation has opened a gift
> registery with
> >>Sears that lists all the items badly needed. If
> you follow the
> >>instructions below, the items will be available
> for pick up in a
> Sears
> >>store right next to the JFK airport and there will
> be no
> transportation
> >>cost. Pakistan International Airlines has agreed
> to pick up and
> deliver
> >>these tents to Government Rescue Center setup in
> Islamabad free of
> cost.
> >>Can`t beat this deal! :)
> >>
> >>Believe it or not, the winterized tents needed so
> badly cost around
> $100,
> >>not $1000 as I had heard on some news websites.
> For those who`ve
> already
> >>donated oodles of money, perhaps they can still
> spare another $20
> to buy
> >>atleast a sleeping bag...or 100$ for a big weather
> resistant tent
> that can
> >>house upto 10 people.
> >>
> >>Do a complete cut and paste (from http: to 0&)
> >>
>
>>http://www.sears.com/sr/gr/getGiftListBuyer.do?BV_SessionID=@@@@0299288263.1130135725@@@@&BV_EngineID=cciladdgddlmimmcegecegjdghldfoo.0&
> >>
> >>If the above link doesn`t work, follow these
> instructions to have
> the
> >>items delievered to the people in desperate need:
> >>
> >>1) Log on to www.Sears.com
> >>
> >>2) Click on Gift Registry
> >>
> >>3) Click on Buy Gift (Not just Gift!)
> >>
> >>4) Select ``Special Occassion``
> >>
> >>5) Enter the First Name: Meena, Last Name :
> Siddiqui
> >>
> >>6) Select 11 for Month and Year 2005
> >>
> >>7) Click on Find Registry
> >>
> >>8) You`ll see the following items and numbers
> required etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Swiss Gear 13 x 17ft Dome Tent 00674115000 501497
> $99.99
> >>
> >>Swiss Gear 6 person Dome Tent 00675420000 501492
> $89.99
> >>
> >>Hillary 78 x 60 in. Queen Airbed $14.99
> >>
> >>Swiss Gear 33 x 77 in. Sleeping Bag $19.99
> >>
> >>Swiss Gear 33 x 84 in. Sleeping Bag $24.98
> >>
> >>Click on Add to gift cart
> >>
> >>9) Click on `In Store Delivery` and select Rego
> Park store #1544
> >>
> >>10) Fill in your payment info., print a copy for
> your records.
> >>
> >>Every tent you send ensures six people will be
> protected from a
> very harsh
> >>and possibly fatal winter. Please donate all that
> you can. Yes,
> even if
> >>you think you`ve done your share! Also pass this
> on to your friends
> and
> >>relatives.
> >>
> >>Thanks.
> Easier way to Doanate Tents for the Earth Quake
> area in Pakistan
> >>
> >>One of the most desperately needed items in
> Pakistan these days is
> >>winterized tents. For those of us abroad, now
> there is a way to
> send
> >>tents to Pakistan without any hassle. Yes ladies
> and gentlemen,
> someone is
> >>actually using their head! :)
> >>
> >>The Human Development Foundation has opened a gift
> registery with
> >>Sears that lists all the items badly needed. If
> you follow the
> >>instructions below, the items will be available
> for pick up in a
> Sears
> >>store right next to the JFK airport and there will
> be no
> transportation
> >>cost. Pakistan International Airlines has agreed
> to pick up and
> deliver
> >>these tents to Government Rescue Center setup in
> Islamabad free of
> cost.
> >>Can`t beat this deal! :)
> >>
> >>Believe it or not, the winterized tents needed so
> badly cost around
> $100,
> >>not $1000 as I had heard on some news websites.
> For those who`ve
> already
> >>donated oodles of money, perhaps they can still
> spare another $20
> to buy
> >>atleast a sleeping bag...or 100$ for a big weather
> resistant tent
> that can
> >>house upto 10 people.
> >>
> >>Do a complete cut and paste (from http: to 0&)
> >>
>
>>http://www.sears.com/sr/gr/getGiftListBuyer.do?BV_SessionID=@@@@0299288263.1130135725@@@@&BV_EngineID=cciladdgddlmimmcegecegjdghldfoo.0&
> >>
> >>If the above link doesn`t work, follow these
> instructions to have
> the
> >>items delievered to the people in desperate need:
> >>
> >>1) Log on to www.Sears.com
> >>
> >>2) Click on Gift Registry
> >>
> >>3) Click on Buy Gift (Not just Gift!)
> >>
> >>4) Select ``Special Occassion``
> >>
> >>5) Enter the First Name: Meena, Last Name :
> Siddiqui
> >>
> >>6) Select 11 for Month and Year 2005
> >>
> >>7) Click on Find Registry
> >>
> >>8) You`ll see the following items and numbers
> required etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Swiss Gear 13 x 17ft Dome Tent 00674115000 501497
> $99.99
> >>
> >>Swiss Gear 6 person Dome Tent 00675420000 501492
> $89.99
> >>
> >>Hillary 78 x 60 in. Queen Airbed $14.99
> >>
> >>Swiss Gear 33 x 77 in. Sleeping Bag $19.99
> >>
> >>Swiss Gear 33 x 84 in. Sleeping Bag $24.98
> >>
> >>Click on Add to gift cart
> >>
> >>9) Click on `In Store Delivery` and select Rego
> Park store #1544
> >>
> >>10) Fill in your payment info., print a copy for
> your records.
> >>
> >>Every tent you send ensures six people will be
> protected from a
> very harsh
> >>and possibly fatal winter. Please donate all that
> you can. Yes,
> even if
> >>you think you`ve done your share! Also pass this
> on to your friends
> and
> >>relatives.
> >>
> >>Thanks.
#172 Posted by beem7 on October 27, 2005 9:51:49 pm
Romair,
Please your interacts are distateful on this board. its not time and this baord is not the place for your blurps.
we neet to concentrate on what happening on relief front and what can we do about it.
Please dont waste space on this baord
Please your interacts are distateful on this board. its not time and this baord is not the place for your blurps.
we neet to concentrate on what happening on relief front and what can we do about it.
Please dont waste space on this baord
#173 Posted by rashid_s on October 28, 2005 2:05:26 am
Dear Umair Khan
It is not the SCREAMing that is required at this time, it is action.
It is given to understand that one of the Pakistani Senator has donated his three years senate remuneration to the relief fund. That is ACTION if true. All the other politicians should do the same.
It would be considered sacrilegious in the realm of the “religious institution” to suggest that the thousands of potential Pakistani Hajis should donate their Haj expenses to the relief fund and acquire many fold thawaab of the pilgrimage.
Further, all the money spent on killing thousands of animals for qurbani should be spared their life and money donated to the fund.
Again in order to acquire the true benefit of the fasting in Ramadhan, the lavish expenditure on Eid should be curtailed and the spare monies given to the fund for the reconstruction. THAT WOULD BE A REAL SCREAM. Hasanah for akhiraa is acquired in this dunya. Your article made me scream! ! Keep it up.
Rashid
It is not the SCREAMing that is required at this time, it is action.
It is given to understand that one of the Pakistani Senator has donated his three years senate remuneration to the relief fund. That is ACTION if true. All the other politicians should do the same.
It would be considered sacrilegious in the realm of the “religious institution” to suggest that the thousands of potential Pakistani Hajis should donate their Haj expenses to the relief fund and acquire many fold thawaab of the pilgrimage.
Further, all the money spent on killing thousands of animals for qurbani should be spared their life and money donated to the fund.
Again in order to acquire the true benefit of the fasting in Ramadhan, the lavish expenditure on Eid should be curtailed and the spare monies given to the fund for the reconstruction. THAT WOULD BE A REAL SCREAM. Hasanah for akhiraa is acquired in this dunya. Your article made me scream! ! Keep it up.
Rashid
#174 Posted by rashid_s on October 28, 2005 2:06:56 am
Dear Umair Khan
It is not the SCREAMing that is required at this time, it is action.
It is given to understand that one of the Pakistani Senator has donated his three years senate remuneration to the relief fund. That is ACTION if true. All the other politicians should do the same.
It would be considered sacrilegious in the realm of the “religious institution” to suggest that the thousands of potential Pakistani Hajis should donate their Haj expenses to the relief fund and acquire many fold thawaab of the pilgrimage.
Further, all the money spent on killing thousands of animals for qurbani should be spared their life and money donated to the fund.
Again in order to acquire the true benefit of the fasting in Ramadhan, the lavish expenditure on Eid should be curtailed and the spare monies given to the fund for the reconstruction. THAT WOULD BE A REAL SCREAM. Hasanah for akhiraa is acquired in this dunya. Your article made me scream! ! Keep it up.
Rashid
It is not the SCREAMing that is required at this time, it is action.
It is given to understand that one of the Pakistani Senator has donated his three years senate remuneration to the relief fund. That is ACTION if true. All the other politicians should do the same.
It would be considered sacrilegious in the realm of the “religious institution” to suggest that the thousands of potential Pakistani Hajis should donate their Haj expenses to the relief fund and acquire many fold thawaab of the pilgrimage.
Further, all the money spent on killing thousands of animals for qurbani should be spared their life and money donated to the fund.
Again in order to acquire the true benefit of the fasting in Ramadhan, the lavish expenditure on Eid should be curtailed and the spare monies given to the fund for the reconstruction. THAT WOULD BE A REAL SCREAM. Hasanah for akhiraa is acquired in this dunya. Your article made me scream! ! Keep it up.
Rashid
#175 Posted by shankar on October 28, 2005 4:39:50 am
Re: # 160
Romair,
{{Behram1 #156: If you are going to ask questions, then you need to try to interact with people, without using words like rubbish. Otherwise they will not answer your questions. Everyone has their point of view on life. If you disagree with it. A simple, ``I disagree with it,`` suffices.}}
As someone who has grown up & shared many a dhanshak with bawas (albeit; on the right side of the border)...may I give you some unsolicited advice?
the word ``RUBBISH!!!`` is a very miiiiild word in the rich bawa armamentorium of brutally honest criticism...so much for your ``thick`` skin...
never cross a determined bawa...big mistake....they think FIRST...then hit...
if they werent so annoyingly RIGHT all the time...they`d deserve a spankin`:)
Romair,
{{Behram1 #156: If you are going to ask questions, then you need to try to interact with people, without using words like rubbish. Otherwise they will not answer your questions. Everyone has their point of view on life. If you disagree with it. A simple, ``I disagree with it,`` suffices.}}
As someone who has grown up & shared many a dhanshak with bawas (albeit; on the right side of the border)...may I give you some unsolicited advice?
the word ``RUBBISH!!!`` is a very miiiiild word in the rich bawa armamentorium of brutally honest criticism...so much for your ``thick`` skin...
never cross a determined bawa...big mistake....they think FIRST...then hit...
if they werent so annoyingly RIGHT all the time...they`d deserve a spankin`:)
#176 Posted by mirmir on October 28, 2005 7:35:50 am
Re: #170 by behram1 on October 27, 2005 1:31pm PT
``You are not sitting in the corner somewhere that I can ignore you. I wish that I could ignore you, but I can’t.``
But, yes, you can! It`s just a matter of editing your profile and typing in the ``nickname`` of those you want to ignore - you can type in up to 16 different ones. Then you have to be sure and sign in before reading any of the ``Interacts.`` Without signing in all interacts appear, even those you want to ignore.
Re: #168 by mohammedamjed on October 27, 2005 10:44am PT
``Dear Chowk Editors:
Please keep Umair Khan`s SCREAM on the front page.``
A hearty second to this suggestion!!!!
``You are not sitting in the corner somewhere that I can ignore you. I wish that I could ignore you, but I can’t.``
But, yes, you can! It`s just a matter of editing your profile and typing in the ``nickname`` of those you want to ignore - you can type in up to 16 different ones. Then you have to be sure and sign in before reading any of the ``Interacts.`` Without signing in all interacts appear, even those you want to ignore.
Re: #168 by mohammedamjed on October 27, 2005 10:44am PT
``Dear Chowk Editors:
Please keep Umair Khan`s SCREAM on the front page.``
A hearty second to this suggestion!!!!
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