And Dr. Shahid Hussain Bokhari Quits…

[Z``A``hraJ, do you think that they will listen to your suggestion when they didn’t listen to the Professor’s?]

It all depends who ``they`` are.

[I sense some wishful thinking there.]

Mr. Economist: You are indeed a brilliant visionary! (applause)

[To the contrary, the best thing that can happen to any policy evaluation is to have an evaluator (with a background in economics preferably someone experienced in feasibility studies) do it, and not an engineer or those who may have a stake in the outcome of any change.]

Do you think ``they`` will pay much heed to your valuable theory on humility and arrogance? I think you know who the HEC culprits are. I am positive they were intimidated (like you) by the said professor`s confidence, self-pride and beautiful closure.

Re: # 59

Ok dude, you win, let me know if there is anything I can do to ease your pain.

Re: # 57

yeah, just more of the same bullshit coming out of ur mouth...

Re: # 56

ZehraJ, do you think that they will listen to your suggestion when they didn’t listen to the Professor’s? I sense some wishful thinking there. To the contrary, the best thing that can happen to any policy evaluation is to have an evaluator (with a background in economics preferably someone experienced in feasibility studies) do it, and not an engineer or those who may have a stake in the outcome of any change.

Re: # 55

Abdurehman dude, When I talk to schumks like you, I have to sometimes speak in terms you can relate to and can understand without having a need to look it up in Feroz-u-Lughat. What exactly do you do to have such a big head? Perhaps getting out of the house will do you some good. The world has changed. It really has. I leave bragging about nothing for people like you. I really have nothing to prove to you. Come to New York sometime, and you can see for yourself. Stop speaking nonsense and stop asking me stupid questions, you will only get stupid answers. When I feel that I need to tell you something, you can be sure that you will be told.

Respectfully submitted

I am sure that Charlie had put in a lot of heart and soul in coming up with this article on Dr. Bokari. Mr. Kulhari`s repeated illogical pointers are distracting the readership. Not only that his brittle sense of humor is losing its color after repeating one point 100 times. Dr. Bokhari`s letter reflected candid views with no aain bain and shain. He must have realized that someone may misread him therefore he concluded the letter with the word of wisdom. I loved the conclusion.

The best that can come out of this episode is a thorough evaluation of HEC. Who is part of HEC? What is the professional background of the members? Are there any engineers in this committee? If there aren`t then that should be of concern. I hope no economist is part of HEC otherwise god bless UET`s future.

Re: # 54

Man ur full of lies and deceit. You`re a mechanic who repairs refurbished washing machines, does economy on the ``side``, and is a mediocre one at that.

Your wifes gone to kenya on business and u call ur sons assholes???

and uve graduated from a uni comparable to oxford???

Where exactly are u headed with all of this bs?

Re: # 53

Oye Kulhariya, are we related? I am flattered that your mom named you after your very accomplished cousin. I can see all of Professor Sahib’s points, and I actually agree with most of them. The only thing I didn’t appreciate was his tone of “I am better than all of you”. You know money and wages are all relative. There will always be disparities, and there will always be people who would love to have what you have. There will always be poor people, rich people, and ashole people. That’s how the world is made up. Professor’s job is to rise above all of that, and consider all the hardships/challenges as opportunities to make things better, for his students, for his school, and for his junior staff. In any case, I am sorry that I used abusive language, now kill me.

And let’s just say that not only did I not score enough to get into UET, but I also couldn’t get into Oxford, and unfortunately I had to settle for the second best – or 3rd best depending on who you talk to (however, some would argue that it is just as good, as the Charas sold at my school’s Union was not only cheaper but better). Next time you are in town, let’s hook up and let’s compare our blades to see who’s is bigger and sharper.

Re: # 1 Oye Kulharee....You rather understand his point of view.Otherwise....
What he is saying is that hiring some one with same qualification and grade from foreign university and giving them 8 times more than already serving teachers is unfair and racist scheme. Think of yourself as a teacher and earning 800 dollars while i am coming out of USA (While i am your classfellow) just to earn money in Pakistan and i get 6000 dollars.What do you feel. This guy Bokhari was not fighting for himslef ,but he was fighting for poor and mediocre teachers like you.

Secondly , you have enough hatred against UET,Lahore.I suppose you were not able to get enough marks in HSSC exams to enter UET and then had to continue with some stuff like economy....????

Re: # 51

Charlie, Have a good dinner with your buddies as you probably wont see them again for at least a year and you will miss Lahore like hell when you are in Paris. Wish I could join you but I am not that fortunate to fly to Lahore on a whim. Yaar, even if you sent me a return ticket, I still wont be able to come and join you, as my wife is away on business to Kenya and I have to take care of two little asholes. But I certainly do look forward to a day when we meet.

Re: # 50

Java.. I take it back. I am sorry I said what I did. But the story of your cousin is shytty as hell. The law should apply to everyone regardless of what one does. No wonder some of the places are as backward as they are.

Re: # 45

I partially agree. Research is an expensive ``hobby``. So, I don`t think that our universities are going to produce quality research in the near future atleast. On the teaching side, having some visionary men in the faculty means that the department is not going to lose its way to progress. Either it is establishing new labs or introducing new courses or establishing links with international universities, these people prove to be important at every stage. And if faculty loses this type of of people, you can imagine professors wasting state funds on building useless labs, libraries and related infrastructure because of either dishonesty or lack of vision.

Re: # 46 Stay safe and stay away from the riots, as I understand that you are in Paris. Hope it all clams down soon.

Thanks for good wishes.
Kulharee, I am in Pakistan at the moment. I am leaving for rioting Paris on friday. We, some of the ``arrogant engineers``, are arranging a meeting at some restaurant in Lahore before my departure. You are invited if you will like to. I will be happy to meet you. :)

My cousin Arif, used to tell me a story. He is an English language lecturer. He was in Oman and was teaching at Salala/Pakistan & Indian School. Once he did not belt his seat and was in hurry. The traffic guy stopped him and told his fault. After some conversation and request to leave him, the traffic guy said we can not leave you as you have done a mistake either by ignorance or by intension. He started his paper work, but the moment he came to know that he was a teacher, the traffic guy left him by saying that we respect teachers more than our head of state.

For those who want to know more about this great personality please open your Google and search for,

Shahid Bokhari

You can then feel what UET has lost.
Regards,
-Shakeel

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Dear participants, I want to clear some issues. My Name is Shakeel Ahmad. I have got education from this professor for 4 years. And after my degree I am working on his projects and know this person quite well.

My concerns are
1- He is never against any science subjects. He himself is a great mathematician and a scientist.
2- We can never keep Physics and Math away from Electrical Engineering.

We all know that this world is full of darkness and false. There are very few people in this world who are still true and honest. I am a live victim of his preach. Since I am a Hafiz-e-Quran and have been attached to hundreds of “Mulana” and “Alims” in my life. I rate this professor much better than many of religious scholars in my country. He taught us to earn with grace and honesty, do not speak false, and keep your eyes open in the world and change yourself with the steeper technology curve to be an active worker.

Some said some one can replace him but, could you replace “Allama Iqbal” “Imran Khan” , I think no. Some people are unique in this world.

As life has to move on, we know UET will produce same number of EEs every year. I wish them all a fantastic life as I got. May Allah help us all.

If UET has produced “Bokhari” it will produce more. We love UET.

Note: I respect and love “Alims & Mulanas” so no cross questions on this please.
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Here in this forum I request to Kulharee to please respect a teacher to whom many people respect. We respect this person as Mr. Chipps used to be loved by his students. So Kulharee please take your words back ``idiot`` as you seem to be an educated and learned person. The nations who respect teachers are successful nations.

-Shakeel.

Re: # 44

Charlie Degaulle. I am not an engineer, I am a mediocre economist. You obviously have a lot clear hold on the situation with HEC and UET, and my concern was with neither one of these entities. My criticism was only about the Professor (granted that I didn’t know all the details, and they were not presented in your initial write-up, or not in as much a detail as you present now – therefore, I concede that I was a bit too harsh). My criticism was on the issues related to two points - #1, I expected a Professor of such a stature to be above pettiness of “I am this and I am that”… it just doesn’t click with me (and you can call me whatever you like about that) – it could have been Professor Basheera and I would have felt the same..so it was not directed at him personally, I just used him as an example. #2, If you don’t like the NRA, you become member of it and try to change it from within. NRA is a gang of thugs in the US.

I am honored that I came across as an East Punjabi Indian to you. Before I went to bed yesterday, I thought I was a Paka Lahoria. Things change and I don’t even know. Yaar meray, we both are product of the same educational system, and I would never even imagine belittling the places and schools that helped me become a man (or close to one). Final shapping took place in the halls of London. Harsh words only come out of concern and not to disrespct.

Also, my suggestion about joining Indian Uni was just a joke man… learn to read between the lines, and it was partially based on an article I read some while ago suggesting that we hire PhDs from India (they apparently have them in abundance… not sure of the quality though). I think it will be great to have collaboration in research with Indian Unis. May be together we can finally do something useful.

Stay safe and stay away from the riots, as I understand that you are in Paris. Hope it all clams down soon.