Bomb Blasts in Delhi

I just read reports of a US helicopter on an earthquake relief mission in ``Azad`` Kashmir being nearly hit by a rocket propelled grenade. But then, this line caught my attention.

``Pakistani officials said the helicopter crew might have seen a blast from dynamite being used to clear blocked roads in the area.``

If this is the extent to which Pakis can go to deny the presence of terrorists on their territory, is it any wonder that the specimens we see on Chowk are so confident of their ability to put the proverbial lipstick on the pig?

#268 by indikad75

Hey Salil, long time no see pal. You still in Hyd? Do mail me at harish.gurumurthy@gmail.com and we can probably meet some time?

Re: # 143

It couldnt not have got any more rabid. Your name could well have been Osama or Masood Azhar. The language is so similar. That we have a Muslim President, a Sikh PM and Catholic woman as the head of the Congress in a country of 800 million Hindus isnt a matter of shame friend. Thats what India is all about ! It happens only in India and thats the greatness of this country.

So many of those non-BJP governments elected all across India were voted in by Hindus too. Just goes to show that no religious community in India exists as a monolithic entity and please dont try to make it so coz u wont succeed.

And you want BJP back? The same BJP which allowed a Kargil to happen? Even a chaiwala in Delhi will tell you that Kargil happened becoz of Intelligence failure. Ever heard of a single minister in that government taking responsibility for so many of our soldiers who died in Kargil? You want the same BJP which allowed the Bangladeshi Rifles to get away with cold-blooded murder of our BSF jawans? The same BJP which promised millions of Hindus like you a temple in Ayodhya (am sure you voted for them on this one point agenda) and didnt give them anything after being in power for so many years? Friend stop this diatribe and start using your head.

If a war could solve things, dont you think 4 wars are enough? But most importantly by raising this ``all Hindus unite`` bogey what you have done is insult the sacrifices made by thousands of non-Hindu soldiers in defence of this country. I dont think you will find the time to do so but I request you to go to the Indian Armed Forces site and check out the names.

You want to ``see someone with real spunk to become India`s PM``.. well last time Advaniji took you for a ride with his ``we will have a proactive policy against jihadis`` sermon. Who do you want this time... Mahant Avaidyanath?? Spunky enuff??

I request you to get these petty ideas out of your mind and look for logical solutions to help our nation in trying times.

Re: # 143

It couldnt not have got any more rabid. Your name could well have been Osama or Masood Azhar. The language is so similar. That we have a Muslim President, a Sikh PM and Catholic woman as the head of the Congress in a country of 800 million Hindus isnt a matter of shame friend. Thats what India is all about ! It happens only in India and thats the greatness of this country.

So many of those non-BJP governments elected all across India were voted in by Hindus too. Just goes to show that no religious community in India exists as a monolithic entity and please dont try to make it so coz u wont succeed.

And you want BJP back? The same BJP which allowed a Kargil to happen? Even a chaiwala in Delhi will tell you that Kargil happened becoz of Intelligence failure. Ever heard of a single minister in that government taking responsibility for so many of our soldiers who died in Kargil? You want the same BJP which allowed the Bangladeshi Rifles to get away with cold-blooded murder of our BSF jawans? The same BJP which promised millions of Hindus like you a temple in Ayodhya (am sure you voted for them on this one point agenda) and didnt give them anything after being in power for so many years? Friend stop this diatribe and start using your head.

If a war could solve things, dont you think 4 wars are enough? But most importantly by raising this ``all Hindus unite`` bogey what you have done is insult the sacrifices made by thousands of non-Hindu soldiers in defence of this country. I dont think you will find the time to do so but I request you to go to the Indian Armed Forces site and check out the names.

You want to ``see someone with real spunk to become India`s PM``.. well last time Advaniji took you for a ride with his ``we will have a proactive policy against jihadis`` sermon. Who do you want this time... Mahant Avaidyanath?? Spunky enuff??

I request you to get these petty ideas out of your mind and look for logical solutions to help our nation in trying times.

Although the traitorous Farzana types have little doubt about Sarabjit`s guilt, she and her ilk will have LOTS of doubts with this one:

Pakistani to hang for Red Fort attack

Praveen Kumar / New Delhi





After five years and amid tight security arrangements, justice was finally delivered on Monday in the Red Fort shootout case when Additional Sessions Judge OP Saini pronounced the quantum of sentence against the seven convicted in the case.

In a judgement that has gained significance following the blasts in Delhi on Saturday, Mohammad Arif alias Ashfaq, a Pakistani citizen and mastermind of Lashkar-e-Tayyeba was awarded the death penalty under sections 302 (murder) and 121 (waging war against country) of the Indian Penal Code (IPC) and also fined Rs 4.35 lakh.

Judge Saini awarded life imprisonment to two other key conspirators, namely Nazir Ahmed Qasid and his son Farooq Ahmed Qasid on being guilty of waging war against the state along with Ashfaq. They were also asked to deposit a fine of Rs 75,000 each.

Rehmana Yusuf Farooqi, the Indian wife of Ashfaq was given seven years rigorous imprisonment under sections 118 (nondisclosure of the designs of Ashfaq) and 216 (for providing shelter). The court also fined Rehmana Rs 20,000.

Two other accused, Babar Mohsin Baghwala and Sadaqat Ali were awarded seven years rigorous imprisonment under section 216 and 118, for sheltering main accused Ashfaq. The court also slapped a fine of Rs 20,000 against each of the accused.

Another accused Matloob Alam, who has been convicted of criminal conspiracy, cheating and forgery under sections 468, was awarded rigorous imprisonment of seven years along with a fine of Rs 20,000.

Ashfaq and five other terrorists had sneaked into the 17th century Mughal monument at 9 pm on December 22, 2000 and opened indiscriminate fire, killing two jawans of Rajputana Rifles and a civilian.

Pronouncing the judgement originally scheduled for Saturday, Additional Session Judge OP Saini said, ``The facts speak unmistakably and loudly that these people conspired to wage war against the Government of India. The foreign national and his accomplices had entered Indian territory with a view to destabilise the functioning of the Government and weaken the society.``

Convicting the accused, the judge said, ``It has been established beyond doubt that the conspiracy to attack the Red Fort was hatched at Farooq and Nazir`s house in Srinagar where Ashfaq had arrived in 1999 along with three other LeT militants. The three militants Abu Samal, Abu Bilal and Abu Haider, who had also entered the monument, were earlier killed in separate encounters.``

In addition to the death penalty, Ashfaq was also held guilty under several other sections of including 4 (Explosives act), 14 (Foreigner`s Act), 25 (Arm`s Act), 121 A of IPC (conspiracy to wage war against country), 186 (Obstructing public servant in discharge of functions), 353 (assault on public servant), 420 (cheating), 468, 471 and 474 relating to forgery. The court, in addition to the death penalty, has imposed a total fine of around Rs 5.35 lakh on Ashfaq for having been found guilty under these sections.

Reacting to the court`s verdict, Investigating Officer Surendra Singh Sand said, ``We were 101 percent sure that the court`s verdict would be in our favour and we are completely satisfied with the judgment. We had sufficient evidence against all the seven convicted in the case.``

Replying to the query of the seven accused absconding in the case he said, ``The Delhi police has formed special teams to crack down the culprits and at the same time announced a heavy reward against them.``

On the other hand, RM Tuffeil, the advocate for Ashfaq and Rehmana said, ``We are surely going to file an application against the order in High Court. The judge has divided the community by virtue of this judgement.`` Aman Lekhi, the counsel for Nazir and Farooq said, ``We are aggrieved against the conviction and the order as there is no evidence against our clients.`` Perturbed by the court`s decision Rehmana`s sister Farzana said, ``The judgement is totally unfair as my sister is innocent. We were not even aware about Ashfaq`s background before he married Rehmana.``

Mai allegedly was ordered raped in 2002 by a council of elders in Meerwala, her home village in eastern Punjab province, as punishment for her 13-year-old brother`s alleged affair with a woman from a higher caste family. Mai and her family deny any affair ever took place and say the brother was in fact sexually assaulted by members of the other family.

In Pakistan, the method of restoring a family`s honor by rape is commonplace. Often, the victim kills herself in shame.


This is interesting.. What`s up with the caste thing in Islam. I keep hearing sermons from the Muslims/Pakis about how the Hindus have the evil caste system, how Islam is egalitarian, and their shedding ``crocodile tears`` for Dalits... Can anyone explain??..

Somehow, I thought that both Indians and Pakistanis will exchange fully loaded cyber missiles to figure out the real culprit behind the recent blasts. As it turned out, the lovey-dovey neigbours took a different path. After expressing their devilish and angelic perspectives, they decided to celebrate diwali and eid together. That`s the true South Asian spirit!

Diversity. Acceptance. Tolerance.

Great ending.

#209 and others by Netizen

Neti,
You are referring to my post on Ozer’s board and reading it literally. It was to poke fun at ozer’s article (did not do a good job, but it was my first). I have nothing against Punjabis and Bhiyyas from UP. In fact, I like punjabis (girls especially). I have had great relations with people from Delhi and there are plenty of those in Pakistan. I have my links in that area. I spent six months traveling in UP in the early 80s. If you tell me where you are from, I will make an exception there too.

Btw, Godot is from Bihar so he is not Bhiyya in my books anyway.
In Pakistan, we don’t call people from UP, Bhiyya. We have a different moniker but I will not post that here.
I don’t hate Indians. some of my best friends in the US are Indian. In fact, my one Indian friend, two month ago, visited me from Bangalore and we went to Vegas to have some fun. After couple of drinks, he was referring to the RSS types as saffron and I think I will use saffron for the usual suspects in future.
I don’t love or hate any city. I mean who cares about cities. I care about beautiful girls in a city and there were plenty in Delhi.

PS. Check Beej board, he is going on and on against me (3 posts and 10 pages) and I have to respond to that.
Have fun. Nothing personal here, it is all in fun.

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re: Mukhtar Mai makes news in US
Pak`s H and D took another beating as Mukhtar Mai made news in US.

http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=437514

(By WILLIAM C. MANN, Associated Press Writer
Tue Nov 1,10:54 AM ET
WASHINGTON - In a quiet voice — almost a whisper — Mukhtar Mai spoke of her fight against a system back home in Pakistan that allowed a tribal council to deem it acceptable that four men could rape her to avenge their honor after her brother allegedly had sex with a woman above his class.

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``I am fighting a fight against oppression, where women and the poor are oppressed ... by feudal lords,`` she said Monday night through an interpreter, reading from a prepared statement and addressing a group of human rights activists. ``They have power and money, and all I have is you and your support. God willing, truth will have victory.``

Mai`s story is one of overcoming adversity and the difficulty of her ordeal was echoed, to a lesser degree, by the difficulty she had in coming to the United States where she is to receive Glamour Magazine`s Woman of the Year Award on Wednesday in New York City.

While in the United States, she also hopes to further her plans to educate a new generation of Pakistanis about the need to end the kind of tribal law that sanctioned her rape, said Dr. Amna Buttar, a University of Wisconsin physician who served as her translator Monday.

Mai said she is taking $5,000 from the $20,000 prize and donating it to recovery work for the mammoth earthquake last month that killed tens of thousands in Pakistan.

The rest of the money will go to her plans to establish schools and a women`s crisis center. She has already set up a school for girls. She said she considers schooling equally important for boys, because they must learn that under Islam, and under the law, women have the same rights to be left alone as they do.

Mai allegedly was ordered raped in 2002 by a council of elders in Meerwala, her home village in eastern Punjab province, as punishment for her 13-year-old brother`s alleged affair with a woman from a higher caste family. Mai and her family deny any affair ever took place and say the brother was in fact sexually assaulted by members of the other family.

In Pakistan, the method of restoring a family`s honor by rape is commonplace. Often, the victim kills herself in shame.

Not Mai, 36. Her outcry drew international attention and brought the men who attacked her to the national courts of Pakistan.

A trial court in 2002 sentenced six men to death and acquitted eight others in Mai`s rape. In March, the High Court in Punjab province acquitted five of the men and reduced the death sentence of the sixth to life in prison.

After an emotional appeal by Mai, the acquittals were overturned in June and the 13 men who had been released were rearrested. They remain in jail while Pakistan`s Supreme Court considers the case.

Mai said she has no intention of leaving Pakistan, as did another woman who says she was forced out of the country after being raped by an army officer.

``I think that the fight can be fought only by living in Pakistan,`` she said. ``You cannot fight by leaving.``

Even coming to the United States posed a significant challenge. Mai had been invited by the U.S.-based women`s rights group Asian-American Network Against Abuse of Women earlier this year to tell her story in the United States. But authorities confiscated her passport.

After officials in the United States and other countries strongly condemned the move, Islamabad rescinded the ban and returned her passport.

Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, a strong ally of Washington, acknowledged that he had ordered the travel ban to prevent Mai from casting Pakistan in a bad light.)
Sridhar

re: Endgame for Pakistan?
http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=437512
Article by Chidanand Rajghatta
(Pakistan is under intense international scrutiny over the Delhi bomb blasts with the U.N Security Council passing a strongly worded statement on Monday asking member states to cooperate with India in brining terrorists to justice.

Although the statement does not mention Pakistan by name, the inference seems clear, since New Delhi has publicly accused Islamabad of not acting against terrorism directed at India. The operative part of the UN Presidential statement reads:

``The Security Council stresses the importance of bringing the perpetrators, organizers, financiers and sponsors of these reprehensible acts of violence to justice, and urges all States, in accordance with their obligations under international law and resolutions 1373 (2001) and 1624 (2005), to cooperate actively with the Indian authorities in this regard.``

The Delhi-specific directive asking member states to ``cooperative actively with the Indian authorities in this regard,`` is a dead giveaway as to who the advice is aimed at.

The statement also rebuffs Pakistan’s repeated attempts to rationalize terrorist attacks on India as actions of freedom fighters by affirming that ``terrorism in all its forms and manifestations constitutes one of the most serious threats to international peace and security, and that any acts of terrorism are criminal and unjustifiable, regardless of their motivation, wherever, whenever and by whomsoever committed.``

Although Pakistan’s military leader Pervez Musharraf was quick to condemn the Delhi marketplace attacks as acts of terrorism and offered to cooperate fully in Indian investigations, Indian authorities say his regime has openly sheltered terrorists such as Dawood Ibrahim, Maulana Masood Azhar, Hafeez Saeed, Syed Salahuddin and others who wantonly preach terrorism.
Pakistan can best demonstrate its good intention if it arrests and prosecutes those who preach violence against India and hands over those have committed terrorist acts in India, they say.

New Delhi’s efforts to have terrorists turned over have often resulted in frivolous counter proposals seeking people ‘wanted’ by Pakistan, a gambit Islamabad dare not pursue with the west. Musharraf himself has lied repeatedly that fugitives named by India are not on Pakistani territory despite evidence to the contrary published in the Pakistani media.

The UN statement is expected to put additional pressure on Pakistan to crack down on Islamic radical elements preaching terrorism at a time the country desperately needs international support to overcome the devastating earthquake that struck Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and the North West Province.)
Pak`s assertion that these terrorists are freedome fighters does not impress anybody now-a-days. The world is fed up of terrorism.
Is this then the end of the road for Pakistan? One has to wait and see.
Sridhar

Godot:

I`ll have to read that some other time. I see some people in white jackets at the door.

You mean the man who wrote
``I was right. I was right. SO damn predictable. LOL

Hahahahahahahahah!``

``would resort to killing, raping and pillaging if given half a chance``

Thanks but no thanks, not my cup of tea. However I hate censorship, suppression of dissent and mincing words behind a mask of diplomacy. Bring out the brides.

Re: # 242

mannyd

Why play with other people’s deep-seated emotions and beliefs? What purpose does it serve other than perpetuating and bringing out hate? But obviously some take great pleasure in doing just that, the targeted ones retaliate, and the vicious cycle continues. And this is among the educated crowd at Chowk, mind you, and based on what they write at Chowk, they would resort to killing, raping and pillaging if given half a chance...and these are the “educated” ones who should know better but apparently don’t, so immersed they are in hate.

I should know. I know what it’s like to hate.

How is your foot ? Is the nose back in shape? He comes looking for fun bunch and feigns `better things to do`, as soon I arrive. Ok Thank your wife for running the car over your right foot.

``and for you to write this mean stuff about a female chowk poster is very petty indeed.``

You mean the reproductive organs of a female have some innate quality that absolves them of stupidiy, prfanity, obscenity and general crassness. Have you considered a sex change operation Mullah Sahib? Do they allow female Mullahs yet?

mannyd: actually, i got better things to do than waste time with empty vessels on chowk. (knowing you, you probably think you actually will get a Vikram Chakar or whatever it is you get for shooting breeze on chowk).