A Devastated Metropolis

re: Pak`s true face
People around the world are being exposed to Pak`s true face through Mukhtaran Mai. Here are people`s view points:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4626449.stm
Excerpt:
(For the first time, I`m disgusted with myself for being a Pakistani who supports President Musharraf. By barring Ms Mai from leaving the country - and now her own house - the Pakistani government has again reverted back to its old role of treating women as lower entities. The court`s ruling against Ms Mai has proven, yet again, that Pakistan has evolved only for name - and there as been no internal improvement in the country when it comes to the treatment of women. And yet, we are told that there is no oppression, there are no double standards, and the president is supporting the women of the world. If this is his support, Ms Mai was better off without it.
Benish, Washington, DC, USA)

Meanwhile, Pak dictator happily contemplates buying more war gizmos. Who is he going to defend in POI when most are homeless and many are dying. A good article from Ayaz Amir:
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/ayaz.htm
(CONFRONTED with a rising chorus of calls to cut wasteful defence expenditure — emphasis on ‘wasteful’ — the Pakistan government goes ahead and signs a billion dollar deal with Sweden for the purchase of six SAAB early warning aircraft.

It could be forgiven if this deal had been signed before calamity struck our northern mountains. But, no, it was signed in mid-October, a good seven days after the biggest quake in Pakistan’s history. Hand it to the powers that be for brilliant sense of timing.

Calls for cuts in defence spending, even when the case for doing so is rationally argued, are not calculated to amuse any military establishment. But this is a matter of balancing priorities. What’s the more pressing need at present, funds for earthquake relief or a billion dollars down the drain for an early warning system perhaps of great utility in its own right but which at the moment looks silly and unnecessary?

If we are dismayed by the tepid response of the international community to our need for relief assistance, we would sound more convincing if we had our own priorities right.)
There is the answer to author`s question why the world community did not do enough. It is probably disgusted with Pakistan.
Sridhar

#98: The funny use is in the positioning of two words and unstressing ng from the first. Look it up.

Ozer,
And a very Happy Eid to you (Kutlu Bayram) :)

Ozer Kardesh,
Nasilsiniz? I have been in Istanbul for less than six months now. My entire life is one long diplomatic mission to bring peace to my fellow human beings. I am not working for any government, but suffice it to say that I am involved in constructive efforts. :) My wife is very religious and our social agenda revolves around her religious group, her friends, and social work. Since I have been here I have not even tasted the wonderful Efes beer that I used to enjoy so much before. Anyway, keep up the good work. I really enjoy your powerful literary abilities. Please don`t let the envious detractors affect you. Bira istiyorum.

Re: # 92

soysauce,

.......... pakistan has a peculiar predicament because ``the rest of the society`` is afraid to stand up to the people who speak fo god ......... why? ........that is another discussion.......

eid mubakrak !

Ozer
Apologies for misusing your board. But can`t resist Ahmed Mian`s #95

Ahmek mian #95
As you are posting it everywhere, here is one more suggestion - On this Eid, all of you should SCREAM. Louder you scream, more people you will be able to help.

re: #88 ``as for mukhtar mai, don`t worry about her - she is doing okay now and i am sure she would be willing to donate some money to set up a home for some half-burnt brides in india .................``

tsk tsk. How very crass. ``she is doing ok now``... is she? How would you know? Money is everything for you people isn`t it?

Ever seen a half-burnt bride that you can coffee-table ping-pong so glibly? Filthy pigs.

It`s all very well to throw salt on each other`s festerings, without descending into the absolute abyss of inhumanity.




#95, are you sure $1,000 will rebuild an entire house?

There was a Sunday Times article that Gov. of Pakistan is giving $10,000 to people who lost their homes in the earthquake. Either that`s an outrageous lie or the $1,000 is a typo (?). Also, you did not specify which agency is doing the home rebuilding, so where to send donations? Incidentally, I received a flyer from a friend about earthquake relief and tried to go to the Human Development Foundation website today that sent out that flyer, but the link doesn`t work (www.hdf.com). Could someone here tell me if that is a legitimate agency? Thanks.

Re: # 94 and re#91

thanks ozer for those kinds words ;-)

and many_id care to share the joke ;-()

Polygamy and jihad

It is a waste of time to talk about a piece of skin, how about something more important which is murdering people.

Latest research has shown that jihad originally was not a central theme of islam and it was much later a kaliffa khusru whu made the concept of jihad popular as he and his friends and relatives were running short of females in harems. He sent the young to be killed to create a female surplus and that is how jihad became central to islam.

The females are kept away from teh streets and as the bombs go off, most killed are men creating a female surplus to meet the demads of polygamy.

Not many are aware of teh polygamic foundations of jihad.

If teh US and other western countries have to manage the jihadic terrorism, the focus has to be on changing the laws related to polygay in muslim countries. If polygamy is banned, then jihad will stop.

``Jaish is a relatively new terrorist outifit started by Maulana Masood Azhar in January 2000 after his release from an Indian jail in exchange for 155 hijacked Indian Airlines passengers held hostage in Kandahar``

Greeting on eid from srinagar, with Jaish mohammed claiming responsibility for the suicide attack.

It was romair and godot and tahmed worried and asked the question, why do the world and indian hate us. Why do they want pakistan iraquised.

The reson is above. The jaish mohammed, the return of Tanweer the london bomber, the crowd in afghanistan, muktar mai, samia sarwar.

That is the reason no one is giving any aid to quake victimes of pakuistan, it has been reduced to a US-nato military operation of hunting down the taliban in POK.

Pkistan has become the niger where millions are killed and no one cares, but with a difference for pakistan, there was a call for help and no one cares, sorry US and nato cares and they have military operations, a great excuse is the earth quake.

I received the following via email which had some practical advice on what to do this eid - and in the weeks, months, years afterwards. I am sure Ozer will not mind my posting it here. I also posted it on unplugged, and my apologies to people who may have already seen it on unplugged. The message is as follows:


Eid Mubarak. May Allah Bless You All.

We celebrate this Eid, with heavy hearts at a time when millions of Pakistanis are mourning the loss of their dear ones, men, women, children, infants, toddlers and innocent who perished (some are still burried in the debris), and the millions, who have become shelterless resulting from the devastating earthquake that has hit Pakistan. Our best satisfaction of Eid will be if we can do whatever possible to help them.

It is estimated that its costs about $1000 to replace a modest house in the devastated villages. I would like each one of us to save this amount in the next 2-3 months from discretionary expenses, by bringing a little bit of modestly in our lifestyle, some suggestions are


• Have and attend fewer parties this and next Eid

• Postpone your next house party

• Make one less trip to the mall

• Buy one less clothing, item, pair of shoes, etc

• Skip eating out for one month

• Take a budget size vacation

• Buy modest Christmas gifts for your employees or co-workers (let them know why)


If you put a dollar amount to the above items you will be amazed to see the total.

Each one of us either personally or through family/friend knows of a victim, please send the saved money directly to that individual.

Please do not get fatigued by the help you have already provided, lets not dwell on what has been done, focus on what has to be done. Please participate at whatever level you are comfortable with. Some other examples are

$20 can provide first aid care for a wounded person

$100 can provide a three-month supply of hygiene kits for 50 people left homeless

$150 can provide clean drinking water for 1,000 people for one week

$500 can provide temporary shelter for 40 families

Please send this email to all your friends asking them for help. I urge you to extend a helping hand, no donation is small, and every donation helps to alleviate suffering.

``Dot Sahib excellent powers of grammatical observation ! Seems we have another “cunning linguist” amongst the ranks. ``

LOL... very cunning indeed. Hahahahahaha.

Re: # 92
OK i shot off my mouth too soon. I understand honor killing is practised but illegal. In that case it`s no different than bride burning and the comparison is quite apt. My apologies, hamidmji.

#88 hamidmji,

How could you possibly compare a horrible and discriminatory law with the (lack of a uniform civil code)?
Do you explain to your daughters that daughters and sisters are permitted by law to be murdered under certain circumstances in pakistan and it`s no different than {insert your pet peeve here} in the US? What kind of logic is this?
The question is not whether some section of the society is screwed up but what is the rest of the society doing about it? I`d grant you simply passing laws without changing hearts is no solution. But it is the absolute first step - unless the majority do not think there`s a problem.

Happy Deewali and Eid Mubarak to all readers,

Salim

How long have you been living in Istanbul for? Are you there on a diplomatic mission via the Foreign Service? Which batch do you belong to? I`m originally from Galatasaray and Taksim. Are you a night owl ? If so I can advise you on the greatest clubs to go to. Anyways back to the topic at hand….

Manny D

Great to see you on this board. You raise an interesting point about Turkish genes, since Turkey has been the cradle of civilisation where Eastern and Western cultures kaleidoscopically integrate; such co-existence is a necessary by-product toward moderation. Or at least an attempt thereof.

Netizen the answer to your question is that there are stakeholders who want the situation to linger and animosity to fester on as it allows them to align their purses.

Jay it is sad to see you tarnish all Pakistanis under the brush of pretence and ill-feeling. Where are the virtues of critical objective open-mindedness ?

Scout tongue twisters can be pleasurable at times, though in your chivalrous contemplation do bear in mind the underlying message behind this discussion: namely the suffering of innocent people in Delhi, and not literary terms of phrase.

Hamid M, speaking of “candles being burnt at both ends” now coincidence along with a tweety bird whispereth into my ear that you are one of the editors at Chowk ! Well glad to witness that you have scrutinised that article as well! Your sudden interest in literary critique, with or without samina or Omar is quite startling and your ingenuity startles the best of us…sheer brilliance. Would love to see one of your articles published some day. A plea from your avid fan ?

Dot Sahib excellent powers of grammatical observation ! Seems we have another “cunning linguist” amongst the ranks.

Now Jung here is a puzzle for your ever-prodigious mind: guess where “Elegant” Elliot Offen got those clothes from in the first place ? Those skeletons are coming out of your closet now aren`t they ? You are an avid reader of Howard Stern publications ? Surely out of necessity and not choice ?
Calamitous Happy Diwali and Eid Mubarak to all readers,

Salim

Sorry I have to veer away from the topic at hand for a tad bit...How long have you been living in Istanbul for? Are you there on a diplomatic mission via the Foreign Service ? Which batch do you belong to? I`m originally from Galatasaray and Taksim. Are you a night owl ? If so I can advise you on the greatest clubs to go to visit.

Manny D

Great to see you on this board ! Don`t let self-annointed half-wits steer you away. You raise an interesting point about Turkish genes, since Turkey has been the cradle of civilisation where Eastern and Western cultures kaleidoscopically integrate; such co-existence is a necessary catalyst toward moderation. Or at least an attempt thereof.

Netizen

The answer to your question is that there are stakeholders who want the situation in Kashmir to linger and animosity to fester on as it allows them to align their purses.

Jay

It is sad to see you tarr all Pakistanis, lock stock and barrel, under the brush of pretence and ill-feeling. Where are the virtues of critical objective open-mindedness ?

Scout

Tongue twisters can be pleasurable, though language itself should never be deified. I just feel that since we are gifted with it there is no harm in granting it a poetic license. Many people find my style unsavoury but then again its not everyone`s cup of chai.

Scout in your chivalrous contemplation/sarcasm do bear in mind the underlying message behind this discussion: namely the suffering of innocent people in Delhi, and not literary terms of phrase to garner pitty.

Hamid M,

Speaking of “candles being burnt at both ends” now coincidence along with a tweety bird whispereth into my ear that you are one of the editors at Chowk ! Well glad to witness that you have scrutinised that article as well!

Your sudden interest in literary critique, with or without samina or Omar is quite startling and your ingenuity with the play of words is sheer brilliance. Elevated you are my student to the 9th grade. Would love to see one of your articles published here. What is holding you back Hamid ? Shyness is a virtue that ill-suits you. A plea from your avid fan ?

Dot Sahib

Excellent powers of grammatical observation ! Seems we have another “cunning linguist” amongst the ranks ! refreshingly a slightly more astute one this time...

Jang

Here is a puzzle for your ever-prodigious mind: guess where “Elegant” Elliot Offen got those clothes from in the first place ? Those skeletons are coming out of your closet now aren`t they ? You are an avid voyeur of Howard Stern publications ? Surely out of necessity rather than choice ?

#45 by hamidm2

`` personally, i see merit in only two of those charges : not having enough chemist shops and being butt-ugly ............ the rest, as they say, is all politics .............``

I always hated superficial things like politics and tried to escape it all the time. But the damn thing is chasing me everywhere. First I thought I should avoid superficially getting blown up during my next diwali shopping in india so I went to London. Then I realized that there is greater chance of getting blown up while riding the london subway ... so I left for Paris in the hopes of finding a nice french broad in a local bar. Little did I know that I may end up torched by the rampaging muslim mob..... damn superficial politics.

Good article by Praveen Swami. Gives a careful analysis of likely background behind delhi bombings.

http://www.hindu.com/2005/11/03/stories/2005110302361000.htm

The Lashkar-e-Taiba, in theory and practice

Praveen Swami

Last week`s bombings in New Delhi necessitate a clear understanding of what the terrorist group wants — and what it will do to achieve its ends.




LYING IN his hospital bed in Srinagar`s Government Medical College, recovering from bullet injuries which ripped apart his upper body, Manzoor Ahmad Chilloo evokes pity. Fear, to those who know his story, would seem a more appropriate sentiment. Last year, the student of medicine had been a central figure in a Lashkar-e-Taiba operation to attack the Mumbai Stock Exchange using a car-bomb. Had the operation succeeded, the death toll might well have made the carnage caused by last week`s bombings in Delhi appear trivial.

Much commentary on the bombings has characterised them as a renewal of the Lashkar-e-Taiba`s pan-India war — a break with an overall de-escalation seen during the recent deepening of the India-Pakistan détente process. Such a representation is misplaced. Despite the growing vigour of the India-Pakistan dialogue, the Islamist jihad has continued apace. Few in India, however, understand the full scale and intensity of the Lashkar`s operations — or the hatred that drives them.

Chilloo`s story gives some insight into the workings of the Lashkar`s pan-India operations. A long-time Lashkar operative, Chilloo was detained by the Jammu and Kashmir Police in 2002 on suspicion of ferrying funds to the terror group but was released without charge. He subsequently moved to Pune to pursue studies in medicine. Much of his time, however, was spent on building up a pool of contacts for the Lashkar, drawing on young Pune residents who had been active in the proscribed Students Islamic Movement of India.

In early 2004, Chilloo was contacted by the Srinagar-area Lashkar commander Shahid Ahmad, a Pakistani national who operated using the code-name `Zulu`. First sent to Jammu and Kashmir to coordinate a joint assassination squad set up by the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen and Lashkar, Ahmad`s operation successes led to his being made responsible for operations outside of the State. He turned now to Chilloo, who already had a cell in place.

A carefully-crafted Intelligence Bureau operation — which also led to the controversial elimination of a woman Lashkar operative, Ishrat Jehan Raza, in an encounter in Ahmedabad — eventually led to the detection and exposure of the `Zulu` cell. Chilloo himself, however, remained at large until he was injured in the course of the attempted assassination of a Srinagar-based politician earlier this year. If the chance firefight had not led to his capture, Chilloo might well have been involved in the networks that carried out the Delhi bombings.

Similar networks have been active over the last two decades. All of them trace their ancestry to three key operatives — Abdul Karim `Tunda,` Jalees Ansari, and Azam Ghauri. All Indian nationals, the three were recruited by the Lashkar after the demolition of the Babri Masjid. Many others soon joined them, often individuals with SIMI connections. Among them was Amir Hashim, a New Delhi resident who carried out a series of bombings in Delhi, Rohtak, and Jalandhar in 1996 and 1997. Growing numbers of Pakistani nationals, such as Mohammad Salim Junaid, Amir Khan, and Abdul Sattar, also participated directly in the Lashkar`s pan-India operations from 1998.

In 2003, both the Lashkar and the Jaish-e-Mohammad attempted to set up cells to draw on the anger of Gujarat Muslims after the state-organised communal pogrom that tore apart their lives the previous year. Neither organisation had great success — most Indian Muslims seem to believe democratic institutions can address their grievances — but if the Lashkar did execute the Delhi serial bombings, it more likely than not drew on the services of local supporters recruited from regional Islamist groups.

What does the Lashkar want?


Tempting as it might be to see the Lashkar`s operations as driven by revenge — against communal violence or the conviction of operatives involved in earlier terrorist strikes — its objectives are more elemental.

Just last month, the Lashkar served public notice of its intentions. In its September 23 issue, the Lashkar-affiliated magazine Ghazwa editorially called for a renewal of Pakistani state support for the jihad in Jammu and Kashmir. India, it claimed, was working to divide Pakistani society by ``cunningly using the slogan of friendship,`` while at once supporting forces hostile to it in Baluchistan and Afghanistan. Ghazwa demanded that President Musharraf admit that the détente process had given Pakistan nothing and work instead ``to fortify the jihad.``

Of arguments that continued support for jihad imposed unacceptable costs upon Pakistan, Ghazwa was dismissive. ``Now is the right time for Pakistan to support the jihad in Kashmir,`` it said, ``because America has entangled herself in the wars of Iraq and Afghanistan and in addition is suffering from severe afflictions like Katrina and Rita.`` ``Pakistan should remember,`` the magazine asserted, ``that even a so-called superpower like the United States has been badly worn at the hands of the mujahideen. Remember what happened to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and then think about India: how can it resist the jihad?``

Understanding the Lashkar position requires an engagement with its core position: that the jihad in Jammu and Kashmir is not a battle over territory, but a part of an irreducible conflict between Islam and unbelief. Committed to the eventual creation of a caliphate that would rule over all the world`s Muslims, the Lashkar asserts that a jihad-without-end must continue ``until Islam, as a way of life, dominates the whole world and until Allah`s law is enforced everywhere in the world.`` As the noted scholar of Islam Yoginder Sikand perceptively pointed out, the Lashkar`s vision of Islam is one that leads it to represent the Quran itself as a manifesto for jihad.

Indian rule in Jammu and Kashmir is, in this construction, necessarily evil and oppressive, because ``the Hindus have no compassion in their religion.`` ``In fact,`` Hafiz Mohammed Saeed who heads Markaz Dawa wal`Irshad, a seminary which runs a massive network of charitable and educational institutions in Pakistan, had declared some years ago, ``the Hindu is a mean enemy and the proper way to deal with him is the one adopted by our forefathers, who crushed them by force.`` India is, in turn, part of just a global system of oppression that must be overthrown by force. As the Lashkar spokesperson Nazir Ahmad bluntly stated: ``through the jihad that the mujahideen have launched in Kashmir, Islam will become dominant all over the world.``

Not surprisingly, some Lashkar-affiliated leaders have operated in Iraq and the United Kingdom; cells have also been detected in the United States. Despite considerable global pressure on Pakistan to dismantle the Lashkar, its infrastructure is largely intact. After British investigators found that terrorists involved in the recent bombings of the London Underground had visited Lashkar facilities, little doubt was left that its activities posed a global threat. Yet the Lashkar`s fundraising activities, as well as the recruitment of personnel and the military training of cadre, continue apace under the Markaz Dawa banner. All of this begs the obvious question: why?

Facing the future


Analysts offer several possible answers to the question. One explanation might be that the tail wags the dog: that Pakistan`s President simply does not have enough support within his military to act against those it gave birth to during the Afghan jihad and is tied to by links of ideology and faith. Another plausible theory, advocated amongst others by the scholar and academic Husain Haqqani, is that continued jihadist activity suits General Musharraf, allowing him to represent himself to the world as the last line of defence against an Islamist coup.

Either way, the Delhi bombings have once again made clear a stark fact: as long as terrorist groups possess the capabilities to carry out violent acts, they will sooner or later use what is available. Given past experience, it is unlikely that the tragedy in Delhi will force General Musharraf to change course. In key senses, Ghazwa is right: the U.S. is too preoccupied with events in Iraq and Afghanistan, and too dependent on Pakistani support for its counter-terrorism campaign, to make Jammu and Kashmir-related developments a central policy concern.

Without dispute, the Lashkar is well-positioned to capitalise on the situation. Set up with the support of Pakistan`s Inter-Services Intelligence and Osama bin-Laden aide Abdullah Azam, the Lashkar has emerged as an organisation of global reach, largely untouched by the U.S.` war against terrorism. Part of a sprawling political empire, the Lashkar is the armed wing of the Markaz Dawa. Although the Markaz denies it has any connection with the Lashkar, the claim has been debunked by a large mass of media investigation and scholarly work.

It is not, of course, as if the Lashkar is the sole suspect in the Delhi serial bombings: others have demonstrated both the intent and capability needed to strike across India in the past. Bilal Beig`s Jammu and Kashmir Islamic Front, which bombed Delhi`s Lajpat Nagar market in 1996, has been showing signs of revival in recent months. Both the Jaish-e-Mohammad and the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen have carried out operations outside of Jammu and Kashmir in the past. Yet given the strength of its infrastructure and its deep links with Pakistan`s military establishment, it is without doubt the principal terrorist threat to India today. Abdul Karim Tunda, the Lashkar founding father in India, has been spotted more than once at the Jamaat ud-Dawa campus at Muridke, near Lahore. If Pakistan is serious about ending the Lashkar`s war against India, it could start by handing him over for trial.

Re: # 87

jay,

... stop it !......... it breaks my heart to see a grown man cry ........... i personally know some married paki women who ran off with an ``aashna`` and are laughing all the way to the bank ............. honor killing, like bride burning, is a horrible thing, and it happens, but i can assure you that it doesn`t happen left, right and center ............ nobody is denying that there is a section of paki society (represented by urstruly on this forum ) that is all screwed up, but they do not speak for all of us ........... i agree with you that the laws need to be fixed, but if you can`t implement a uniform civil code how can you expect us to beat some sense to our idiots ? ................ as for mukhtar mai, don`t worry about her - she is doing okay now and i am sure she would be willing to donate some money to set up a home for some half-burnt brides in india .................

Education in pakistan,

Pak president is advised by the bet educated of pakistan. It is they who told him to remove the passport of muktar mai. They insisted on having a police man when ever she was interviewed, and all her mail was searched. It is the educated of pakistan that approved the above process.

Little did they know that the world will not tolerate this. Now the president has been forced to change his decision. It is the educated of pakistan that decided that mai will bring disgrace to pakistan. One can see the same mind set on chowk. For tahmeds and godots talking about the legal basis of honour killing in pakistan is a disgrace.

The humiliation and disgrace brought on by the pakistanis is astounding. Education do not give the pakistanis a reasoning ability.

Tahmed and godot talk of human rights in kashmir, for them hoodood is no problem. They never admit that the only crime against the state in pakistan is blasophemy. They never admit that hoodood has changed the mindset of pakistan. Ant criticism of hoodood is bvlasohemy and ISI will be at teh tahmed door step. Even on chowk, no pakistani dares to criticise hoodood. Their criticism is limited to telling that Zia did it.

#85, mannyd {quoting Zeena {``Her wounds are being mended with ointment of LOVE and care by USA.``}

Mannyd,
Is that the same ointment of love (discovered on a black dress) that Ken Starr was threatening to rub around Bubba`s neck?

#75:

The brilliance of Zeena`s reasoning abilities and Mean Manny`s harrasment is all too clear from the following:

``Christians are better than Muslims-Doctor Zeena
on October 27, 2005 10:51am PT
Here is her full tribute to her brave heroine and USA:

``#12 by Zeena on October 24, 2005 9:28am PT
Tahmed32
Mukhtaran Mai is not only great,but, really blessed with God`s blessings. She has dedicated her self for the betterment of suppressed and battered Paki women.
Mukhtar Mai, is announced{{{PERSON OF THE WEEK}}},today by channel 7(ABC). All the reporters were so, very happy for her nomination. Everyone is preparing for Mukhar mai`s arrival. There will be a special wellcome program for her. She is declared (CELE, NOW. SHE WILL BE AWARDED a big sum of money, which she will spend in her schools for the betterment of Paki battered , and suppressed women.

Mukhtara Mai
I salute your bravery. I applaud Channel 7 for their projection of Mukhtara Mai as a HERO.

When I heard, this announcement, I started crying . Those were the tears of happiness for my dear and sweet heart, Miss Mukhtara Mai.
ABC will also arrange dinner in the HONOUR of Miss Mukhtara Mai, where she will be awarded with the badge of honour.

In Pakistan, Miss M M`s honour was lost and was degraded under the feet of her own countrymen, where Govt. did not support her , where her rapists were set free. Where she was put behind the bars in her own house, not letting her travel abroad. Head of Paki state even started accusing her of playing rape drama for immigration.

In USA, Miss MM`s HONOUR is not only given back to her with all the respect and grace, but, also with all the LOVE from American women, who consider her their HEROINE. Her name is being taken as a symbol of bravery, dignity and honour.

I hope Hollywood should air her with her story.

God is great, Muslims snatched her honour and raped her, Christians gave her honour back. Her wounds are being mended with ointment of LOVE and care by USA. Great. This is miracle. ``


To call the above foamy blather Abbotabadi Idiocy is way too generous.


#118 Christians are better than Muslims-Doctor Zeena
on October 27, 2005 10:44am PT
What did I say Zeena? Why is MM any more precious than the rape victims in USA?

Frankly my dear, MM or any other victim could do better without your convoluted logic or support.

But at least you are better than your cohort Samina.``

I think that should be ok. It would make Sir Tahmed a self-made-man.

Self made men are more to be pitied than censored. Right Tahmed?

(let us see if he can read that through his half covered eyes)

#81, mannyd {``like a man if he drank his mother`s milk, Similac or of a two teat water buffalo of an Ayya. If it was a she bear, I`ll forget it.``}

Manny,
Would an orange-haired one-legged multi-talented wild-eyed mustachioed haina (sic) do?

#75: ``but this is the desi man for you. Ready to harass any female they can manage - even if on the internet.``

There is no Zeena here. The conversation is between you and I and you are no female unless you already have had the sex change operation. You are a compulsive liar besides being stupid. Put me on your ignore list or apologise like a `whatever you are`.

``mannyd: i dont read your posts. but dont be disheartened. i count them on the interactindex. ``

So back to your old tricks Mullah sahib.

#79: The evil false rumors that Arjun_m and Sadhna were celebrating the deaths of earethquake victims was started by Mullah Omar, the mail room peon at Dawn. I personally never expressed the slightest joy ever at those deaths. Zeena is Tahmed`s student and psychotic admirer, who would believe President Bush uses Quran for toilet paper if Mullah Omar of dawn ever says that.

I am asking Tahmed32 to produce my offensive posts about earthquake deaths or apologise like a man if he drank his mother`s milk, Similac or of a two teat water buffalo of an Ayya. If it was a she bear, I`ll forget it.

{``#78 by chowk-staff on November 2, 2005 11:54am PT
Re: # 30

The spamming you did on all articles last week diminshed in your interact index to zero. Keep to the guidelines and your interact index will change back to a positive number and your comments will not be filtered.``}

Chowk Staff,
You mean that he still has a chance to step up to mediocrity? :)

Too cool writing style! I can just see the clouds...

actually, it would be nice if people took other people`s death seriously. whether it`s one dead or one thousand, it`s still nine months of terribly hard work for someone`s poor mom.

Re: # 30

The spamming you did on all articles last week diminshed in your interact index to zero. Keep to the guidelines and your interact index will change back to a positive number and your comments will not be filtered.

#75, Janab, ek per qabr meN hai, or aap meN sachhai ke khilaaf muhim ki koi kami nahiN nazar aati.

Baatil se dabnay wale, e aasmaaN nahiN hum
So baar kar chuka he tu imtehaaN hamaara :)

#75, tahmed32 {``hamidm: Zeena is a female poster that brave chowk warriors like mannyd fight with whenever they get the chance. She is perfectly decent (and posts some very nice pictures of gardens and things) normally, but some scumbags on chowk have found that she is sensitive to their trash posts and so take great joy in baiting her causing her to react. ``}

Tahmed, Sir,
Au contraire mon frere. Please do not say that she is merely reacting. I had never abused her or even had an altercation with her before. She noticed my joke concerning Asma Jahangir and immediately lashed out against me, my wife, and my mother. This is both shameful and quite the opposite of decent feminine behavior. I think that you need to check your moral compass. Your selective sense of fairness, justice, and moral outrage is not that easily explained by an excuse of senility.

hamidm: Zeena is a female poster that brave chowk warriors like mannyd fight with whenever they get the chance. She is perfectly decent (and posts some very nice pictures of gardens and things) normally, but some scumbags on chowk have found that she is sensitive to their trash posts and so take great joy in baiting her causing her to react. I think it is disgraceful for mannyd to try and trash her on the front page...but this is the desi man for you. Ready to harass any female they can manage - even if on the internet.

Mannyd #69 and #70, {``Of course you had a good Rajput base to begin with also compared to some arrogant cobblers.) ``}

{`` do not want to see anyone banned, but considering that you have spent more years in Chowk slammer than Gandhi in british jails, I have to request Chowk for equal treatment for the three genders; males, females and Mullahs.``}

Mannyd,
Yes, Prithviraj Dada was a very honorable and chivalrous man. I am fortunate to be related to that great man.
I accept the comparison to Bapu and reiterate that I will keep going to Chowk Slammer over and over until the tyrants quit and go back to their European land.

#71 hamidum {``who is zeena and how come i have not heard of her ?...... and why are people watching elephants defecate? .........``}

Hamidum Sahib,
She is the resident haina (sic) of Chowk UP. Comparison to defecating elephants is just relative with respect to manners. Speaking of voyeurism, on another note, people do travel to Bali as toursits and pay to watch elephants copulate (and of course defecate). That still doesn`t explain the rage of jihadists and repeated bombings on that lovely isle.

mannyd: i dont read your posts. but dont be disheartened. i count them on the interactindex. you have written 6 posts so far. You are doing great as a campfollower!! You will no doubt be awarded the Vikram Chakar for your great national services.

who is zeena and how come i have not heard of her ?...... and why are people watching elephants defecate? ......... is this some new form of voyeurism ?

#65 : I do not want to see anyone banned, but considering that you have spent more years in Chowk slammer than Gandhi in british jails, I have to request Chowk for equal treatment for the three genders; males, females and Mullahs.

``Your mother started searching Lyari`s garbage bins to make ends meal for you, there was a time when she has to drink and make you drink dirty water from people`s bathrooms, sometimes, you were eating all the fecal matter, (I know, I know the misery), please, I know, how you felt....but, you know , what, afterall you have to survive and it was the question of survival(As per Quran, everything is Halal in times of needs), so, you and your mother were forced to eat faecal matter.......
You know the outcome of eating that filthy matter is now, you and your filthy personality , that is the main reason, you spread your filth, where ever you go along with your mother.``

Guess who is the Quran scholar here, Mullah`s well mannered protege.

Salim # 68: Of course you had a good Rajput base to begin with also compared to some arrogant cobblers.)

Mannyd #66, {``Thanks Salim. What is it about Turkish genes that turns frothing Jihadis into normal human beings? First you and then Ozer. ``}

Turks are simple Muslims who do not suffer from the presence of Arab and/or Pathan genes. :)

``I ask the great octogenarian sages of Chowk. Is this the way females are supposed to behave? I have seen defecating elephants with more manners.`` LOL...

Do you have more mannners than the alleged elephants Tahmed32? You blame me for abusing the females on Chowk. You have a habit of not reading and throwing out baseless charges. Please produce my abusive posts or apologise like a man. If that is too much to ask, be an elephant at least.

Can any Chowkie shed light on this man`s polished background?

#63 Thanks Salim. What is it about Turkish genes that turns frothing Jihadis into normal human beings? First you and then Ozer.

No wonder the `Tota, Mainas` and `Ba Ba Blacksheeps` can not stand Ozer`s writing. They are incensed that not enough Hindus died to warrant his sympathy. So sorry. We`ll try harder next time.

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Mullah Tahmed32; What caused Zeena to go berserk here?

``mannyd
get out of this web site. Do not lie about me. I did not say these things for (all of you, yes, I am saying this to you, as well. and to sadna, arjun_m and Ranger) , just look at my response. And just get out of this web site. I know, what I have to do for those brothers and sisters who suffered in this tragedy. I am sure who ever you are and sadna , arjun_m and Rangers are, all of you have been raised worst than jungle beasts, who can not understand and who have so, low IQ that is lower than crawling insects , totally unable to comprehend Human tragedies. We, Pakis are NOT asking you for any help, but, just requesting your devil selves not to show on our web sites , if you feel pleasure on human tragedies. How on earth any human can laugh on such tragedy?? off course NOT human, not even junglii beasts.

Just have a look at this post. this is NOT meant to be for all, this is meant to be only these particular cruel beasts , called sadn, arjun_m, Ranges and now, mannyd. .

#13 by Zeena on October 15, 2005 7:12pm PT
sadna , arjun_m and Ranger
All of you should leave this web site. This is Pakistani web site. If, you want to enjoy and have fun , please, go to some porno web sites, and go to pure prejudiced Indian web sites. You have been bashing and abusing earthquake victims . You sholud NOT visit Paki sites. Spread your hatred in India.

I wish all of you must face same situation as earthquake victims, may God punish all of you by putting you in the worst situation. May God punish you by making you see your loved ones under the rubbles dying and you dying under same way,too. Ameen``

#62, Mannyd,
Do not take it personally. The octogenarian sage has selective senility (he also suffers from selinity, but that`s another story!). He can pontificate from either side of the pulpit, it just depends on the ``contributions.`` :)

Now, by all that I didn`t mean to call him a switch pontificator or an alternating altercator.

``Started by tahmed32 on October 31, 2005 8:24am PT

A man who burns only one wife to satisfy his greed for dowry. And after the second wife, burns only two fetuses that are female.
And then comes to chowk write pious posts.

And that is the indian liberal. Not the true hindutva monkey.``

A few hours later Mullah Tahmed 32 to his protege:

``#85 by tahmed32 on November 1, 2005 7:34am PT
Zeena: Thanks for the kind words you said about me. The shameless way in which mannyd wrote post after post ridiculing you on this board merely illustrates that what i wrote above is not that far out of line - this ridicule of women on chowk can all too easily translate into abuse of women unfortunate enough to be dependent on these individuals in real life. ``

Any one who ridicules women on Chowk easily translates into what the moron wrote.

Right Mullah Tahmed?

folks who have listened to Howard Stern..Ozer reminds me of Elegant Elliot Offen.

Dotty #56, {``55 hey salime, you forgot the hey before presto! unless you were thinking of pesto or dreaming of pushto ;-) ``}

I think that I should have said ``Hey Presto!`` he?

Poor hamidum sahib is excited enough with Ozer showing up again. It would not be humane to introduce Pushto at this time - Ghol Makhora. :)

Chowk Staff #54 and Netizen #57, {``this was my post.``}

I did not post #54. I have enough trouble with my own posts. Please do not attribute things to me that I did not say at all. If I get crucified, it`s your fault.

#38, Ozer, {``Unfortunately slanderous generalisations and mud-slinging have once more caught the better of politicians and Chowk interactors alike. Salim siz Turkiye de yasadiniz mi? Salim bey, Turkiye de hangi shehir de yashadiniz ? ``}

Tesekkur elderim, sagol. Iyi aksamlar, Khalid bey. Evet, Yurtta baryþ, dunyada baryþ istiyorum. Ben Istanbul de otur. I am trying to learn Turkish but it`s very difficult. Thank God, Ataturk implemented the Roman alphabet.

Don`t let the generalizations and mudslinging by Chowk`s professional detractors get to you. Sometimes, I think that they are all Greeks without gifts - just don`t stoop to pick up a $5 bill if you find it on the floor at Chowk. Surmek.

Re: # 54

this was my post.

#55 hey salime, you forgot the hey before presto! unless you were thinking of pesto or dreaming of pushto ;-)

#28, hamidm2 {``salim main,
......... i hereby give you the title of ``instigator`` - i was given that title by my eighth grade english teacher``}

...one gallon putrid water, one huge bucket, one humdum #2, and a generous sprinkiling of periods - presto, we have instant alligator or instigator. This was invented by an 8th grade English teacher named Ozer Khalid. :)

Re: # 278

i have read that initially mohammed what to protray himself as a prophet of jews but was not accepted by them.

it seems he built islam on the existing practices of the region at that time. like adopting christian beliefs, jewish customs.

#51 it is!

#51 it is!

#47 by

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on November 2, 2005 6:24am PT


while we are at it and commenting on the bromides spread across this board

its


While we`re being grammar nazis, shouldn`t that be it`s and not its?

#49 ahh! thats a fine point, there Tahmed32.

The issue is will the pharmacies exist if the cangle and the flame arent there. How, will we ever chase the evil dragon if the flame is not present

dot sahib: but i thought the candle burned out long before the legend of the invisible pharmacies ever will. ;-)

#45 hamidm2 - that #47 was in jest not be to ingested though!

Re: # 45

while we are at it and commenting on the bromides spread across this board

its: maddeningly not maddingly
its: bromides - nothing like bromidic
its: acute sensibilities of most sensitive people not acute sensibilities of most sensible people
its: candle and burn out and flame and die not candle and die (a common misconception amongst most of us desis)


though I agree with your last line on the lack of chemists shops and decent pharmacists

Re: # 38

ozer:

``the likes of Jamaat-e-Islami, the RSS, the saffron brigades benefiting from the status quo``

how????

something has got to change !

........... the bromidic remarks being repeated, day in and day out, by the plebian interlocuters on this chimerically comical forum are maddingly middling, and are painfully painful to the acute sensibilities of most sensible people, even when those who have apparently lost control of their senses as they enter the flickering twilight of their life when the candle that they burned at both ends in their exhuberant youth is beginning to die out and as some youthful yeomen cheer them on and try to emulate their ebullient effervescence which, in the long run, is going to be a detriment to improving indo-pak relations .................

........ that was for ozer ..........

............for the rest of us, what i am trying to say is that this daily rhetoric is getting old ........ the horrible hindoos (i need to come up with a new epithet, this is getting old too) accuse the paki converts of being circumcised, supporting terrorism and hadood laws, raping and pillaging for the last ten centuries, not having enough chemist shops, cross border terrorism (as opposed to in-border terrorism), not having enough help desk engineers, more terrorism, killing bengalis and biharis and other ethnic groups starting with the second letter in the alphabet, not having a railway stationin in lahore, collecting funds for jihad and other charitable causes, changing their names and denyng their hindoo roots, killing shias, allowing mantolives to live, worshiping jinnah instead of gandhi, yet more terrorism, denying mukhtar mai a visa, supporting honor killings and abandoning the practice of sati, not eating enough heeng and, once again, not having enough chemist shops .................

...... the pathetic pakis (another hackneyed term that needs to go) happily accuse the indians of wearing dhotis, eating heeng, burning brides and being butt ugly ........

........personally, i see merit in only two of those charges : not having enough chemist shops and being butt-ugly ............ the rest, as they say, is all politics .............

poignant prudence
safer sanctuaries.
perilous perpetrators
hysteria-hungry
feudal-frenzied


i`m not picking on your alliterations ozer, don`t get me wrong, i`m just cunningly comtemplating them

Media vultures and nationalistic ethnic bigots on the wrong end of political spectra will be rhetorically ricocheting religio-nationalistic venom across various foray to notch up cross-border apprehension.


now did you really need the tongue twister

Tahmed...

Jayaprakash Thackerey has personal issues... nothing else.

Please spare the resident fool that he is... he came out of his hole after a very long time.

jay: I have been monitoring your performance on chowk, and am sorry to say that you are definitely slowing down with age. hamidm told you that this was the wrong board for you, that we were discussing english grammar here, and you paid no attention to his friendly advice. and now you we have this new indian employee - mannyd we call him - trying to take over your job!! look at the effort he puts into his job. follows me around on chowk like a faithful dog, sparing no effort in trying to out-compete you. clearly he badly wants your job. if it wasnt for my speaking out on your behalf, there is no question chowk staff would have let you go by now. and look at arjun - he has definitely fallen into a rut!! What`s the problem with you aging hindutvas?? dont get enough heeng??

Ozer, 38,

truth is supreme, pretences of sympathy and considerations in hiding teh reality of pak involvement and the world view of pakistan will not help any one.

Politeness is a minor virtue that should not be allowed to stofle the truth.

Having been in uniform myself, I say this with a heavy heart. Why have things come to this? In 1971 wherever we went people greeted us, waved at us, gave us food and offered help. Helping the army was considered a privilege and even when Dhaka fell and our eastern command laid down its arms, they didn’t blame us soldiers, they said we had been stabbed in the back. People held Yahya Khan and his coterie (and their serious tippling) responsible for th``e debacle, not the army as a whole. It all seems so long ago.``

The above is quote from Ayaz Amir. Poor Ayaz, take it from me Ayaz, your version of the army is long gone, the present one is a jihadic army, the troops are indoctrinated with jihad, that is why they cannot help pakistanis in troubnle, but they killed the indian troops captured in Kargill by slitting their throats, true jihadic style, per the book.

Ayaz, learn from evidence, look and learn

Chowk “Walleh” many thanks for interacting.

Dear Salim Chauhan you sound like a well-travelled and seasoned interactor. I read with interest your encouraging comments and do poignantly agree with bringing “rotten apples” to justice. Unfortunately slanderous generalisations and mud-slinging have once more caught the better of politicians and Chowk interactors alike. Salim siz Turkiye de yasadiniz mi? Salim bey, Turkiye de hangi shehir de yashadiniz ?

Dr Lokraj you pose a pertinent question regarding normalization in the region: the evident answer that springs to mind are the usual culprits, the likes of Jamaat-e-Islami, the RSS, the saffron brigades benefiting from the status quo and the military industrial complex reaping huge expediency from broad expense allowances due to augmenting defence budgets. The question is, Dr Lokraj can the nuclear neighbours, long mired in a bloody territorial dispute, resolve their differences before it is too late?

Jay, everyone is entitled to the freedom of thought, yet mocking an earthquake that has killed circa 100,000 hardly seems befitting to an ethical conscience like yours. This article is not about vomiting nationalistic fervour, but about New Delhi and her grief, along with what investigative measures can be taken to alleviate the debacle.

HP many thanks for the comprehensive answer, glad to hear that Rajiv and his parents are hail and hearty. What was meant by the paragraph in question is that people on both sides of the border, are quick at pointing the accusatory finger and latch onto simplistic conspiracy theories regarding the bombings trying to stir up political angst to further their own agendas.

Ahhh Hamid M...... my most coveted fan! Welcome! Tis a great pleasure yet again to witness thy pearls of wisdom. Glad to see you are now handing out the Oscars. Sorry to hear about your experiences in the eight grade. How are the exam preparations coming along? Ready to take on that audacious teacher ? Good luck with the exams. Sincerely hope you make it to the 9th.

T Ahmed, speaking of handing out Oscars, it is heartening to see that you have nominated Yoda and your revered Jedi Master, the inimitable Hamid M. Yet even after all those years of training Jedi the laggard trailed behind Obi-Wan Kenobi and Luke in the common-sense stakes. Anyways hope all is well with you.

Soysauce, adding a bit of bitter to the dish eh? Your stirring is constructive. Do however appreciate that everyone has their own style of writing.

Jang I do value you’re your brevity and succinctness.

A nation and its president,

Pakistanis are proud people, they are proud that they have the islamic bomb.

Their president ordered the removal of passport from an ordinary woman in pakistan, raped according to teh hoodood laws of pakistan. President intervened, there was a trial, several were sentenced to death, un-heard of in pakistan, and probably a sentence ordered by the president. The higher court, teh sheria court has set aside the sentences.

Now the porr president had to order the passp[ort back to the rape vicitim, because ythe ex-president of USA is planning to give an award to her.

President of the most powerful islamic country in the world could not deny passport to its own citizen. Why, there are no laws in pakistan, it is a failed stste. A trgedy for the educated of pakistan, for the tahmeds. Godot, take it from me, this post is not about hatred, it is about you to support change in pakistan.

Wrath of gods or wrath of the world,

Every one in pakistan is complaining that there is not much releif supplies in pakistan. One version is that it is the wrath of gods for mushy dealing with the hindus and the jews, the first fpormal meeting with israel. So pakistanis deserve it. No doubt the above could be true. To reverse that pakistan has to be more jihadic, opemn more mdrasas, sent more to london, erect a monument for Tanweer, a larger one than that built now by the laskers.

There is a more practical alternate. Pakistan is already a jihadic state, any money that is not channelled through the IMF system will definitely go to the jihadis controlling pakistan. Hence there are meetings and pledges of support, no money is handed over and all will be adjusted against promised other funding for pakistan.

Only way t improve the situation is for pakistan to close down the madrassas, shut down the jihadis and demolish Tanweer memorial.

Poor tahmed, godots and the other educated pakistanis are in a fix, the same emperical event, opposite solutions to address it.

let god shower mercy on godot and tahmed.

``The female poster Tahmed 32 refers to is Zeena, the most foul mouthed, idiotic barely literate poster on Chowk. Her work needs to be collected and posted up here on FP for the future idiots to follow and refer to. All I said to her was `Same to you` after she wished death and destruction on me and my female relatives. Not once the prophet of decency, protector of female virtue Tahmed 32 opened his mouth to advise his protege.``

Did you Prophet Tahmed32 advise Zeena to abstain ever? You want her handiwork on this page here to prove my charges against her?

Tahmed32 finds a sturdy desk and hides under it.
``#255 by tahmed32 on November 1, 2005 6:18pm PT
mannyd: actually, i got better things to do than waste time with empty vessels on chowk. (knowing you, you probably think you actually will get a Vikram Chakar or whatever it is you get for shooting breeze on chowk).``

IS #32 the better thing you had in mind Yoda?

29 Thanks hamid saab.

I am in a hurry, only a few days on chowk, and I do have to give the hungry chowkies my world view and a little bit of good old paki-bashing.

But the fact remains that the world is changing too fast for the pakistanis. I do hope that the importance of the return of all the londion bombers to pakistan will not be lost to teh world media and the terrorism analysts.

By the way, there is a news item today that a US helicopter in POK has been fired on. I do expect more attacks, all looks good for pakistan.

``Traffic-free are Delhi’s roads in an aberrantly unambiguous metropolis.``...... said Yoda sagely shaking his ubiquitously hirsute head from starboard to port and from port to starboard. ``And happy is hamidm that once again is Ozer in his sights``, Yoda continued.

..why should you guys be worried about his style...check out the substance if there is any...;)

… will chowk staff please tell me what is objectionable in my interact # 106 on “Bomb Blasts in Delhi” thread , that it had to be filtered out ?…

#106 by khamkhwa. on October 31, 2005 12:56pm PT
Re: # 104
[Author: Chidanand Rajghatta, Times News Network]
...this guy is a real hoot and confirms mushy`s claim...``pakis speak better english than indians``... he is a blot on the fair name of indian journalists...

jay,

.......... as much as we all love you, please take your whining elsewhere - we are turning this into a literary forum to discuss the use and abuse of adjectives and alliteration ........ there are enough boards where you can go and abuse assorted pakis ......... (shhhhh, tahmed is on one of them!) ......now, scoot !

Re: # 24

salim main,


......... i hereby give you the title of ``instigator`` - i was given that title by my eighth grade english teacher and have faithfully tried to live up to it ever since .... it is a heavy burden but i am sure you are up to the task :) ............... happy instigating !

wth?
I keep telling my 12-year old daughter who has taken quite a fancy to them to cut down on adjectives and alliteration. The strained language ends up rendering the underlying emotion contrived and artificial. Same to you too.

kaurasach,
To add to my post 22:
Nobody is denying the many contributions of the Sikhs. They are the one truly all-rounder community successful in everything including agriculture, science, business, sports and military. Good for them and good for Punjab and India.
However, your attitude of ``Sikhs never do any wrong`` and ``Hindus should forever be obligated to Sikhs for x, y,z...`` is seriously nauseating.

Satyavadi

SAhame of a nation,

A nuclear power with only 35 helicopters but with so called missiles and nukes. It is time that the world set an end to this jihad under mushroom clouds scenario.

Afghanistan is facing the consequences of this version of jihad, india is becomig an increasing victim of it.

The present US strategy to address this problem is a long drawn one. It aims to make pakistan at par with north Korea, with a slow economic decline, incresing poverty as evidenced by the beggers in pak cities is an unsure process. May be in another decade, pakistan could be at par with North korea, starvation and deceases being the norm and incresed US and NATO troops in pakistan.

May be india should accelerate the process. It needed more than a decade of sanctions before iraquisation, 25 years of technology denial for Korea, it is all too long. May be india should finish of the suffering of pakistanis quickly.

#21, Hamidm Sahib, {``chowk staff : i had asked you to make sure saminasha reviewed ozer`s blatherings before you put them on the front page ...... ``}

Hamidum Sahib,
Jealousy does not become you. :)

I prefer Ozer`s brilliancy over Saminasha`s hysteria. Ozer has forgotten more adjectives, similes, and metaphors than you have ever crammed in your long life. Another thing, he does not wear out the period key when he writes.

Lutfen delirmek ......................................................................................................................................................................................

Earth quake assessment

The number of beggers in the pak cities will increase as the distitutes from the earth quakes flock to the cities and teh trafic lights.

The jihadis will corner the land and assets unclaimed in POK.

Most of teh textile sector of pakistan will be affected as the free, no-cost blankets find their way into the markets competing with local production.

Pak spending on education and other social functions will decline as the funds are diverted to earth quake victims.
Pka military spending will increase as the military structures in POK will be rebuilt at the cost of the poor.

Jihad in POK will intensify as they get entrenched with assets in POK. The only deterrent is the NATO troops.

Kaurasach,
Cool down. Try and get out of this `Sikhs are God`s gift to India and the Hindus` and `Sikhs can do no wrong` mentality. Otherwise you are just another bigot, just of the Sikh variety.
Respectfully submitted,
Satyavadi

o powerful writer !

....... i don`t have any problem with the subject of your masterpiece, i was simply nauseated by your shamelessly pretentious and melodramtic language ......... you don`t have to use all the adjectives, similies and metaphors that you know in one article - after all, inspite of the fact the everyone is dead in delhi, there is a tomorrow in your future ......... who are you trying to impress, your english teacher ?

............ please don`t write for the front page again .......... if you have to, join me and other common hacks in exercising your skills in the comment box ....... spare us the agony, please .........


chowk staff : i had asked you to make sure saminasha reviewed ozer`s blatherings before you put them on the front page ...... for the sake of our children, please consder my request again

#11 HP is written well..this piece is too florid.

18, Jhoothavaadi,

No use playing a flute in front of a bufflo.......still i will try.....

ONLY sikhs have defended Bharat and citizens of the land.....Kashmir was saved by sikhs.....

and Hindians have sold the mata as two bit whore again and again....Nehru and Gandhi were the latest pimps in the long line......

and then the slaughter of INNOCENT sikhs.....what do you expect them to do after the hijraas played intrigues in Pb........

The reason they got beat is that they didn`t do enough killing on their part......shudve killed more and let muslas take care of you......


Next time a foreigner makes u thankless hijras` mothers warm their beds.....let them do it.....next time someone wants to hummilliate you by taking your sisters let em......next time a hindian gets circumcized, let em.......

you thankless hijrass deserve it.

kaurasach,
When is the punishment for the ``kanjarpana`` and ``haramzadgi`` of the Sikhs both pre and post 1984 - upto the early 90s, arrive? And in what form?

Speaking of a dyslexic suffering from schizophrenia - that`s when you think that you are following someone.

these miniscule blasts were a punishment for the kanjarpana and haramzadgi by basturds 21 yrs back on the same day.............

terror strikes the chowk again !



ghoulish bomb blasts
the spine of Delhi
ghastly wake
aberrantly unambiguous metropolis
Gaudy neon lights
Rattled citizens
a flashlight fever
flickering candles
sobering thump
glittering saris and citizenry are interposed with a panic-stricken dyslexia hitherto unseen poignant prudence
revelers sagaciously heeded the government`s caveat to stay within their safer sanctuaries



........... AND THE WINNER IS ??????????

glittering saris and citizenry are interposed with a panic-stricken dyslexia hitherto unseen

Ozer, {``Delhi-ite Diwali festivities with their flickering candles took a sobering thump as the glittering saris and citizenry are interposed with a panic-stricken dyslexia. Fireworks and firecrackers are igniting every few seconds with a hitherto unseen poignant prudence. Many would-be revelers sagaciously heeded the government`s caveat to stay within their safer sanctuaries.``}

Hosh Gildiniz, Kardesh.

Ozer, you ar