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Invisible Immigrations, Furtive Bleedings

Harish Nambiar November 13, 2005

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#13 Posted by tehrilakeer on November 22, 2005 10:12:42 pm
Hello Harish,

Congratulations on the completion of the travelogue. Have been on and off following your writing on Chowk. Also, congratulations on your marriage...I didn`t know till you mentioned the wife. Wish you both thevery best.

Warm regards,

V
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#12 Posted by tehrilakeer on November 22, 2005 10:12:28 pm
Hello Harish,

Congratulations on the completion of the travelogue. Have been on and off following your writing on Chowk. Also, congratulations on your marriage...I didn`t know till you mentioned the wife. Wish you both thevery best.

Warm regards,

V
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#11 Posted by HN on November 17, 2005 12:04:59 am
mannyd,

I do not seem to have understood what you meant by the question. I meant merely that Osmosis between these two units, loaded nouns in itself, but adds more layers when used against each other, as in when juxtaposed. There are social untouchability, class differences, rich and poor differences, all these nuances that add up. Therefore, I was underlining the new permeability between once conflicting and distanced units.

Patwari,

Thank you for being with me throughout this long series. You have encouraging oneliners to contribute throughout. I am grateful for your share of ``a dead elephant`s patience`` with this series. I would appreciate anything you might want to say on the entire work. For your information it is 61,000 + words.:)

The book part, please mail me at rideaway@gmail.com. I feel morally coerced to inform you first the moment I find a publisher...:)

rahul_capri,

That was a very thoughful. Yes, I think you hit the nail on the head when you say that the polemics of secularism by need and often greed, make the opposition seem like ``the city and the ghetto`` kind of monolythic entities. I wanted to chart out the terms and its meaning as felt, lived, and negotiated by individuals, families, communities.

HN
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#10 Posted by rahul_capri on November 16, 2005 1:28:56 am
Harish, I have read all of them, but often when the board is no longer active, so have taken the liberty not to interact. :-)
``But of course, now that the work is over, I will appreciate comments that address more than the individual stand-alone chapters.``
What your articles have demonstrated is that there can be no single polemic of the communal divide.There are undercurrents that flow through the life of a nation, a community, a city , an individual and so on which constitute the complex and multi hued fabric of
the communities and the fault lines between them.An explanation is only true for a given place at a given time and for a given set of people. Reductionist statements can be made and they have their own application.But realizing that there are no monolithic hindu issues or muslim issues and hence there is no standing communal issue which runs across time and space between both ``communities``(if i can call them so) would be a great step in seeing the ``communal divide`` in all its nuances.Then, even ``bridging the divide`` wont be necessary. To me, this has been the achievement of your articles.
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#9 Posted by patwari on November 15, 2005 9:31:16 pm
HN where is that book my friend? Should come soon I hope...
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#8 Posted by mannyd on November 15, 2005 6:22:35 am
``Unfortunately, the ghetto is moving into the city. The city is bleeding into the ghetto. ``

When I use a word, it means exactly what I wany it to mean, no more, no less. What is a `Ghetto` now?
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#7 Posted by HN on November 15, 2005 6:14:42 am
harimau,

Thanks!

rozaiba,

I am not sufficiently tech savvy to provide the roadmap online to you. But there is a site called mapsofindia.com where you could trace the highways I take from town to toiwn, state to state, and finally back home. Thanks for liking my work!

malikjahanzeb,

I do understand that length is a constraint. In fact, this is the end of my long work in 18 chapters. Perhaps, that might help. No more unendingly long pieces.

Nadeem,

Thank you buddy. That was dizzy. I had planned to write the travelogue in a manner that would map the diversity, the confusion and the new energy that is constantly churning India. I am glad you have been with me through the thick and thin of this journey. Would like to hear your comments on the work as a whole. In the sense, what was the taste / the ligering , or abiding feeling the 18 chapters left on you.

rahul_capri,

Hey thanks. It has been a long time since I saw you on this thread. As I had said earlier on in this series, I was keen to use the novelist`s techniques to explore the theme of communal divide in this rather novel-length work. We had had nudged some issues and points earlier in the discussions. Some initial questions of the scope of the work, I hope I have answered. But of course, now that the work is over, I will appreciate comments that address more than the individual stand-alone chapters.

HN
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#6 Posted by rahul_capri on November 15, 2005 5:12:15 am
Wonderful ! I totally agree with nfp .
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#5 Posted by baaghiraja on November 15, 2005 4:18:36 am
Wow. This was wonderful, Harish. You get better and better, piece after piece, word after word. Quite a read, man. I`m stumped.

rgds,
NfP
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#4 Posted by malikjahanzeb on November 14, 2005 2:47:31 pm
Too long for me. I only had the time to scroll it down to this box.
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#3 Posted by harimau on November 14, 2005 3:24:10 am
Ref rozaiba #2

[harimau: you`re a funny guy.]

The joke will be on the descendants of YS Rajasekhara Reddy (the Christian chief minister of Andhra Pradesh whose attempts to set aside a 5% quota for Muslims has been declared illegl by Chief Justice [Acting] Bilal Nazki of the Andhra High Court) who will be reduced to dhimmi status by Islam Triumphant in India.

Justice Bilal Nazki is yet another proof, if indeed any is needed after the past 50 years, that the only bar to the advancement of Indian Muslims is an individual`s ability or lack thereof. Of course the fact is that only the persons who could not get elected dogcatcher in India such as Jinnah (in his case, even in Pakistan) and Liaqat Ali Khan moved to the Land of the Pure.
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#2 Posted by rozaiba on November 13, 2005 11:44:25 pm
Wonderful read Harish! You really should attack a map to these journeys and make the job of imagining the route a little bit easier.

harimau: you`re a funny guy.
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#1 Posted by harimau on November 13, 2005 11:24:33 pm
[Junaid, son of a professor from Pune, is set to marry a Kannada Brahmin, daughter of a central bank executive Madhavi Rao. Incidentally, Adarkar, Chitale and Rao are all Brahmin surnames.]

They are looking at the future and deciding to go with the flow. The affirmative action quota for brahmins is zero percent, for Muslims in Andhra is 5%. What will any sane Hindu do?

All we need to is to provide affirmative action quotas for Christians (there is a demand for that), for Dalit Christians, MBC Christians, Rice Christians (those who became Christians in exchange for a couple of meals -- the vast majority of them), Adivasi Christians and we can effectively force the 84% Hindu population of India into total surrender to Christianity and Islam. What 1000 years of oppression by the Islamist thugs and 200+ years of propaganda by Christian missionaries couldn`t do, we could do in under 100 years.
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