Black Pakistan and White Pakistan

Godot Sahib, #782 {``Many members of my family, both men and women, are married to Punjabis (but also to Iranian, Afghani, Sindhi, and Bengali...you can say we are a true “Pakistani” family!) Punjabis may have biases towards other non-Punjabis, but then, again, which ethnic group doesn’t? Perhaps your experience is different than mine. ``}

Godot, How are you, my good friend?
My problem is not with individual Paki Punjabis - I too have Punjabi relatives in Lahore and Pindi. The problem is the nagging hemorrhoid of Punjabi domination in almost all fields - military, government, and now industry with the transfer of many industries to Lahore. This curse of Punjabi domination cost Pakistan the loyalty of Bengalis, has hurt Pakistan in relations with Baluchis, Mohajirs, Sindhis, and now Saraikis and even Kashmiris.

No single group dominates India as Paki Punjabis dominate Pakistan, usually through force. While the Sikhs may be disproportionately represented in the military, and have a Sikh PM, they certainly don`t run India as the Punjabis rule in Pakistan. And, please don`t throw Mushy in my face. :)

Re: # 789

Salim

“The problem is the nagging hemorrhoid of Punjabi domination… Sikhs, they certainly don`t run India as the Punjabis rule in Pakistan”

The Punjabis, perhaps unfortunately for Pakistan, constitute the majority ethnic group and majority of Pakistan population. Sikhs are a tiny minority in India. If Sikhs constituted a majority of Indian population then Lord knows what they would have been doing to the minorities in India. Unlike Pakistan, India is fortunate not to have an ethnic group in majority.

And, yes, a friend you are.

Behram Sahib,
My views concerning religion are well-known. I have personalized my Muslim religion and do not see any need for an Ummah, a Muslim homeland, or imposition of Sharia Law. I am fully convinced that the Muslim League and Mr. Jinnah were mistaken in their quest for Pakistan. Unfortunately, they succeeded thanks to the conniving interests of Mountbatten, Nehru, Patel, Muslim ``nobility`` of UP, Muslim industrialists from Bombay, and emotional Muslim Bengalis. Of course, hindsight is 20/20, but there is no reason to pretend that we are blind either. :)

The last thing that Muslims (and Parsis) need is enmity with Hindus. It just doesn`t make any sense. Hindus have not taken territory that belonged to Muslims. Even in Kashmir, there is an elected government with a Muslim Chief Minister. It would have made a lot of sense to try to live in one country as one people and common interests of peace, prosperity, success, and human development. No two people will ever see eye-to-eye when it comes to theocracy - Shia/Sunni, Sunni/Ahmedi, Wahabbi/Shia. So there was no need to split along Hindu/Muslim, Sikh/Muslim lines. I say ``Reverse the curse.``

Re: # 785

Dear Salim_Chauhan Sahib,

Thank you for a cogent post.

As part of my young adulthood at NED University I used to have long discussions with Altaf Hussain. He may remember me. I also had taken a class with Benazir Bhutto, when she used to be called Pinky... I briefly worked for Kamal Azfar, as well....I was involved with National Organization of Progressive Students (NOPS)...whose head was Senator Reza Rabbani.

All during my lifetime, never once did I consider that Pakistan was formed erroneously. In my opinion, it was not a mistake. I do however, feel your pain and frustration.

I do not agree with your ``Reverse the curse``. Whatever happened 60 years ago...happened and we all have to live with it. I do, however, believe in harmony and peace and love between neighbors.

All my life I have been an underdog and I do empathize with the feelings of an underdog. That is why in my election I won, handily beating a guy from Punjab... I got the largest support from my Balochi friends, some of them were from the Bugti family, with my Pathan friends, with the Sindhi friends, all from the suppressed people of Pakistan.

The hate that has been permeating in the society need to come to a stop. And I thought that the only place that it could happen would be at this so-called intellectual site. Heck, these people are supposed to be the intellectual class of South Asia.

And just look at what is happening here, we are getting into the sugar cane business.

Pakistani PM that illustrious Shaukat Aziz may not realize that sugar cane is definitely a business that Pakistan and India should both concentrate on. Indians have a lot of entry points for Pakistanis to deliver.

I agree with you whole heartedly when you say....[The last thing that Muslims (and Parsis) need is enmity with Hindus. It just doesn`t make any sense.]

I disagree with you only partially, when you note....[ Hindus have not taken territory that belonged to Muslims.]....Hyderabad Deccan was supposed to be an independent country but was grabbed after independence.

Yet, I say... let bygones be bygones....

[Even in Kashmir, there is an elected government with a Muslim Chief Minister.] I am not so sure about this particular item....For any authenticity to come, we must have a free and fair refrendum as promised by India.

Now, I do understand that it would be impossible to figure out who the heck has a right to vote....So, OK...I`ll remain undecided on this issue.

[It would have made a lot of sense to try to live in one country as one people and common interests of peace, prosperity, success, and human development.]....Yes, agreed...we all have perfect hind sight....could`ve, should`ve, etc.

But, the reality is for a New Pakistan to be born again. A thriving Pakistan. A stable Pakistan. A modern Pakisatn. All of this is absolutely within the reach of Pakistanis, and it is achieveable.

Respectfully submitted,

{``but your bs ends where the Pakistan border starts. And we can thank Jinnah for that.``}

Sir,
Does that border, for which we can thank Jinnah, include the area near Jessore, Noakhali, Saidpur, Sylhet? :)

Re: # 781 salim
[....Jessore, Noakhali, Saidpur, Sylhet?....]

Where are these places? I have heard of Noakhali - some riots happened there....

dharma: and now you cubicle-dwelling HIB goofoffs can litter this board with more of your gibberish. but i wont be responding since i have better things to do than engage in this back and forth with your kind.

Arjun #773: One more time Arjun Sahib, Behram ji is not a cab driver. Behram Sahib, any one can find out that you are a registered electrical engineer in Texas. Please show your company address and phone number to the insulting Indians on H1B visa here or give me permission to do that.

Behram Sahib: Do you have any children that Dharma is talking about? Do they know you visit prostitutes? Nothing wrong in that in my opinion, but do they know?

Jang Sahib: Where is Montgomery county and what is it famous for?

dharma: I have always made very clear my contempt for hate-mongerers, hindu or muslim. So, for people like you, I am not Mr. nice guy at all.

Chowk has been reduced to a cesspool with the constant harping of ``pakis this`` and ``pakis that`` by these thugs. When I have argued with fellow muslims about the peaceful message of the Quran, you thugs have butted in with howls of pain since this goes against your one-track mind which is geared to vilifying other people`s religion and of branding all muslims as terrorists.

And bahram obviously has had enough of your gibberish, is giving you rss-thugs a taste of your own medicine in your own language since you are incapable of civil dialogue. But this is the typical two-faced attitude of you thugs: you terrorize your minorities, ridicule their religion, berate them for every sin on earth including - horrors! - applauding the pakistan cricket team. The rss thugs you support may have reduced the minorities into submission in India - but your bs ends where the Pakistan border starts. And we can thank Jinnah for that.

this is boring...

Actually our Charsees are much better than Paki Charsees.

#724, Bradr-e-man Behram, khaili khoob. :) Daastaan-e-nishkar dilchasp ast. Barai Meherbani, nishkar dar surakh-e-kun-e-Khamkhwa guzashtand. Merci.

Behram,
Thank you for your response. I hate to see you take all this abuse for the sake of Pakistan. You are from my home town of Karachi and let me assure you that I understand your sentiments. I too, as Barachota, engaged in many a battle with Indians for the sake of Pakistan. Then I realized that most Pakis, especially them Yankees from the Nawth, are rather duplicitous. At the first sign of cross-border Punjoo ``gal gal,`` they will abandon you in the field with nowhere to go. You will find that Indians, while cruel in battle, will be very compassionate, even friendly, once you call a truce.

It is not worth it to hurl abuse and receive even more abuse for a gross mistake that we call Pakistan. Intelligent people recognize mistakes, correct them, and move on. That is what we real Pakis need to do. If you want to continue being a tool of the Punjoos, I can`t stop you - we all have to learn from our own mistakes. Just consider this advice from a fellow Karachiite:

Aan diwaaraaN mushaaN darum, aan mushaaN gushaaN darum. :)

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Salim

“At the first sign of cross-border Punjoo ``gal gal,`` they will abandon you in the field with nowhere to go… If you want to continue being a tool of the Punjoos”

That’s rather harsh, Salim.

My experience with the Punjabis—in real life as well as at Chowk—is quite the opposite. I have found Punjabis (I’m talking about the Pakistani Punjabis) to be very open-hearted, accepting and tolerant. Many members of my family, both men and women, are married to Punjabis (but also to Iranian, Afghani, Sindhi, and Bengali...you can say we are a true “Pakistani” family!) Punjabis may have biases towards other non-Punjabis, but then, again, which ethnic group doesn’t?

Perhaps your experience is different than mine.

Hmmm.. seems to be a common paki malady to mistake fantasies for reality. And here i thought it was just Romair.
Behram seems to resonate with some pakis who seem delighted at the prospect of inserting sugarcanes somewhere. Why would the thought of sugarcanes conjure up such vivid imagery in the minds of so many pakis when pretty much everyone else associates sweetness with sugarcane? A Freudian would go nuts over this.
I can understand folks like tahmed and hamidm who are past their prime getting their kicks any way they can fantasizing themselves as sugardaddies to girls unseen. Sexual deprivation could lead to sexual depradation. But what about the younger folks? Is anal sex and S&M a grand paki sport? Has looking toward the west come to mean pakis are adopting pathan sexual culture?
Or is it something they have experienced that causes them to go apopleptic at the mention of sugarcanes. Is it something in the national psyche having been collectively shafted by one dictator after another?
Wake up folks, there is no way yet to send electric shocks or anally raping someone over the internet. You may want to be able to but the REALITY is you can only fantasize...

Re: # 774 soy
[...I can understand folks like tahmed and hamidm who are past their prime getting their kicks ... But what about the younger folks? ..]

What younger folks?..... Except for YLH, most other pakis you see ranting and raving here are over-the-hill old coots..... Closet-Mullah is 45+, Hamidm is 50+, Behram is 54+, godot is 50+....... And they all seem to have some sort of bitter-sweet experience with sugarcanes.....

Re: # 784

Mohar

Why your dhoti has red spots? Sugarcane too rough on you?

Re: # 788 godot
[...Why your dhoti has red spots?...]

Oh that..... that`s the blood from your virgin daughter .... I just scr@wed her - it may be shocking to you, but apparently she likes dhoti-clad d**s....

(sorry - couldn`t resist)