The Trial of a Nation

Re: # 38

Urstruly

“Avoid suspicion as much (as possible): for suspicion in some cases is a sin: I don`t know about you but as a Muslim this is my guiding principle”

You contradict yourself, Urstruly. You are very suspicious of the West that they are out to screw you because you are a Muslim. I’m not sure you live by what you claim. And I don’t believe in that I, as a Muslim, should not suspect any other Muslim. Muslims are no longer a handful of close-knit people in Madina anymore...14 hundred years later, there are close to a billion and a half of them, and to tell you the truth some of them are quite nasty. I am very suspicious of them.

I suggest you pick up a copy of November 2005 Atlantic Monthly. Read through the writer’s account of how AQK did it. Now, this article is very biased and the writer has nothing but contempt for Pakistan and AQK. It is nevertheless a well-researched article and it does make one see in spite of its clear bias.

I grant you that Pakistan Army knew all along what AQK was doing. However, when it became public knowledge, someone had to take a fall. It couldn’t have been the Army. The consequences of that were quite grave for Pakistan as a nation. I hope you understand that.

“Do you think that Pakistani nation is so chutiya...My ass.”

Now, that’s very emotional. When one gets to this point, it`s an indication that one has lost his capacity to think clearly and the debate has become pointless and useless.

Re: # 43 Godot

Why I or people like me are suspicios of West has been debated upteenth time. Lets forget how everything that they tell has always been proven a lie on daily basis. Lets forget the two slaughter houses one in Palestine and other in Iraq where human beings are sacrificed everyday for the imperial aggression of West upon Muslims. And lets not discuss the dictators they support who use full military machinery to murder and oppress us. But I will say only one thing.

Very recently I went to Canada for an official visit and I had to stay there for couple of days. At night I regularly watched on TV an ad by Canadian government promoting the Nuclear Energy for their country. Romair or any other who live in Canada will attest that. It made me wonder, now look at these people; they are begging for their people to give them a mandate to establish more nuclear energy plants and on the other hand they run disipicable campaigns against poor nations and try everything possible to keep those nations from developing nuclear energy resources and that includes the threat of aggression as well. It just kinda makes you think. I am not suspecious, I am just thoughtful.

Re: # 63 the quality of trust is the issue here urstruly.

the question people ask themselves is this: I can trust the brits, the yanks, the canadians etc. But can I trust the pakistanis, the arabs, the libyans, the egyptians etc?

If the answer is yes,then you have solved the problem. IMHO untill this trust deficit is resolved you will find, in your mind, inequities.

Re: # 32
good point about Iran.

Iran is not threatened by any nation, they only need Nuclear bomb to destroy Israel.

Re: # 23
Ye tau senti ho gya....
I think every nation has a right to do anything that they can within International laws.

My question(if your response was to my post) was not about patriotism or whether Pakistan should have Nuclear Weapon or not. But simply trying to understand Pakistan`s stand on this matter.

1) If he is an Islamic Hero then why is he under house arrest in his own country?
2) Afterall Official Pakistani verdict is that it was his own nexus that leaked nuclear secrets to Iran not Pakistani Government. Why this duplicity in either calling him a Hero or thief?

Also, Dutch Govt, on whose premises he worked and allegedly stole documents are calling him a SPY and Thief not USA.

It sounds like that you saying that Pakistan has every right to have have A-Bomb by whatever means. If so, then only problem with that logic is that Nuclear Technology was invented by Western countries for their own use and/or their allys and they can deny it to whoever they chose. It is not like Water or Oil that is found in Earth.

West is not saying that there can/cannot be Nuclear States. They are just limiting sharing their own technology with others whom they percieve to be not aligned to their value system.

Are you saying that::
In order to make a Muslim A-Bomb, it is ok to steal secrets by any means???

If yes, then dutch are right in calling him a thief.

If no, then explain why Pakistani consider him a hero, while their leader projects him as stand alone, clandestine opertaor. Why is he in house-arrest??

Something is not clicking here.....

RE: #2 by Mantolives .. and others

Please use unplugged to start new discussions instead of using the InterAct space of this or other articles for such unrelated news items.

Thank you,

Chowk Staff

Re: # 20
Manto talking to Manto.

It is so funny....

Re: # 22

manto tells manto to shut up and go to ``Unplugged`` or some place..... WTF is this ``Unplugged`` anyway? Sometime back YLH and Sadna went crazy over there.....

Mohar11...

Huh? Did you bother to read?

While a very successful world performing arts festival is going in Pakistan... an Indo-phile Pakistani goes to India and declares that there are curbs on art in Pakistan unlike India... Within 5 hours she gets deported from India..

What does that have to do with ``Mr J`` or ``Minority Report`` or ``Top Gun`` or ``Eyes Wide Shut``? Oh I get it... your eyes are wide shut.

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When push comes to shove I support Asfandyar Wali Khan and his father Wali Khan in NWFP`s politics. Unlike Sheema Kermani, they have actually said a lot of things against ``Mr J``...

Re: # 19 YLH

You didn`t get the concept of ``Cardinal Sin``?.... Well, Never mind..... ``Chowk Staff``[I thought you are chowk staff] don`t like such discussions here..... they want you to go to someplace called ``Unplugged``.....

PS

particular reason for joy in this case... hours before her shameless departure... Kermani wailed about how there are so many curbs in Pakistan and how easier it is to speak on social issues in India...

While she was being kicked out from India... leading classical dancers, performers, stage actors from all over the world were enthralling Lahore with the World Performing Arts festival which concluded yesterday.

As far as I know she didn`t ... though it wouldn`t take much for her to say something on that count as well.

But... I met her at Yale... she claimed that classical dancing was banned in Pakistan. When asked why she had been performing on National TV if that was the case- she had no answer.

The next month she told New York Times the same thing.

So she is right up your alley my boy.

Re: # 16
[....though it wouldn`t take much for her to say something on that count as well...]

OK - we get it..... it`s like that movie Minority Report, you know, people are fighting the ``Future Crime`` - stop the crime before it happens.....

So - good plan YLH - You are the One..... I know we can count on you to stop people saying something against Mr J..... Go head ``my boy`` [that`s my line, don`t steal it] - Fight the Future Cardinal Sin, stop the sin before it can happen..... I tell you, Ms Kirmani - she is the type - she fits the profile who may just say something against Mr J..... Stop her before she does that.... even if it means siding with the horrible hinuds.....

After a stage man begins thing think he is invincible. This happened to Harshad Mehta, Ketan Parikh and A Q Khan.

Why do Mohajirs try their hardest and bend backwards to prove their loyalty to their adopted land. In Sweden it is called Stockholm syndrome.