Urstruly December 1, 2005
#161 Posted by Rommel on December 4, 2005 11:35:45 pm
Salam,
A.Q.Khan did not return to Pakistan in 1975. He arrived in 1976, two years after the Kahuta Project had been started. He never took over the nuclear program. He only headed one step in a series of equally important 24 steps that lead to a bomb. The Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission remained the overall incharge of the bomb program, including uranium enrichment, under PAEC Chairman Munir Ahmad Khan. They built the bomb and tested the weapons in 1983 and 1998. Western media reports are prone to inaccurate reporting on Pakistan`s nuclear program, without understanding the facts. For eg. A.Q.Khan is accused of helping North Korea with the plutonium program and the bomb design, when in fact AQKhan had not training or knowledge of plutonium or the nuclear weapons design or development. His designs were never adopted by Pakistan because they had failed cold tests. Nuclear weapons design, development, manufacture and testing as well the nuclear fuel cycle and plutonium development as well as many aspects of enrichment, being part of the nuclear fuel cycle, were solely done by PAEC.
Regards.
A.Q.Khan did not return to Pakistan in 1975. He arrived in 1976, two years after the Kahuta Project had been started. He never took over the nuclear program. He only headed one step in a series of equally important 24 steps that lead to a bomb. The Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission remained the overall incharge of the bomb program, including uranium enrichment, under PAEC Chairman Munir Ahmad Khan. They built the bomb and tested the weapons in 1983 and 1998. Western media reports are prone to inaccurate reporting on Pakistan`s nuclear program, without understanding the facts. For eg. A.Q.Khan is accused of helping North Korea with the plutonium program and the bomb design, when in fact AQKhan had not training or knowledge of plutonium or the nuclear weapons design or development. His designs were never adopted by Pakistan because they had failed cold tests. Nuclear weapons design, development, manufacture and testing as well the nuclear fuel cycle and plutonium development as well as many aspects of enrichment, being part of the nuclear fuel cycle, were solely done by PAEC.
Regards.
#162 Posted by ballukhan on December 4, 2005 11:58:59 pm
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Pakistan/PakOrigin.html
Origin of Pakistan`s Nuclear Weapon Program
Unlike India`s nuclear weapons program, that traces back to an early but indefinite time, actual initiation of Pakistan`s program can be assigned a very definite date - 24 January 1972. On this date President Zulfikar Ali Bhutto committed Pakistan to acquiring nuclear weapons at a secret meeting held in Multan in the wake of the country`s devastating defeat in the 1971 Bangladesh war.
This was meeting, and the program that resulted from it, were initiated by Bhutto himself, the enactment of a long-standing personal agenda executed at the earliest opportunity he had. A proper study of this program thus must trace the history of Ali Bhutto himself, and his developing interest in the nuclear option for Pakistan.
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was born on 5 January 1928 into an aristocratic family of the Rajput nobility, which possessed (and possesses) near-feudal power in the Sindh region of what is now Pakistan. Bhutto was very much to the manor born -- his father was prominent in the Raj, the British colonial government, and was even knighted. Bhutto was educated at the best Western universities: Berkeley and Oxford. Brilliant and charismatic, Bhutto felt early that he was a man of destiny. After practicing law and lecturing in England, he returned to Pakistan in 1953 to practice law in Karachi. In 1957 he served as a delegate to the United Nations, and after Mohammad Ayub Khan took control of the government in a coup, Bhutto became a cabinet minister at only 30.
By that time Pakistan had already initiated a national nuclear program, a relatively early date, though later than India. The Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) was set up in 1956 so that it could participate in the Atoms for Peace program announced by the Eisenhower administration, but development was slow in its early years.
Things began to pick up in 1960. The nuclear program acquired a new patron -- the Minister of Mineral and Natural Resources, named Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. In 1960 Dr. Ishrat H. Usmani was appointed Chairman of the PAEC. Usmani would be responsible for setting in motion many of the critical programs and institutions that would later give Pakistan nuclear weapons. Usmani started Pinstech (full name variously given as the Pakistan Institute of Nuclear Sciences and Technology, and the Pakistan Institute of Science and Technology) and the Karachi Nuclear Power Plant. One of Usmani`s most momentous achievement is said to be the training program under which brilliant young Pakistanis were selected and sent for training abroad. Between 1960 and 1967 some six hundred were selected of whom 106 eventually returned with doctorate degrees.
Also in 1960 the US gave Pakistan a $350,000 grant to help prepare Pakistan for its first research reactor which the United States agreed to supply two years later. This reactor, a 5 MW light-water research reactor known as the Pakistan Atomic Research Reactor (PARR-1), began operating in 1965 at Pinstech in Nilore.
In 1963 Bhutto became Foreign Minister, carrying his interest in nuclear capabilities into office with him. He watched with growing concern as China moved closer to nuclear capability, and in response India`s domestic rhetoric on the subject grew more bellicose.
During 1964, when China`s first nuclear test seemed imminent, factions in India including India`s most politically prominent scientist (Homi Bhabha, who also led India`s nuclear program), were openly agitating for nuclear weapons. Evidence suggests that India`s new interest in the nuclear option was of great concern to Pakistan. Reports from the fall of 1964 into mid 1965 indicate considerable concern by President Ayub Khan, and his Foreign Minister, who was none other than Ali Bhutto [Pervkovich 1999, p. 108]. In March both men met with Chou En-lai in Beijing, a meeting both felt had very positive results and developed Chinese support for Pakistan. It was shortly after this, in mid-1965, that Bhutto uttered his famous and prophetic oath about matching India`s nuclear capability (see at the top of this page).
Origin of Pakistan`s Nuclear Weapon Program
Unlike India`s nuclear weapons program, that traces back to an early but indefinite time, actual initiation of Pakistan`s program can be assigned a very definite date - 24 January 1972. On this date President Zulfikar Ali Bhutto committed Pakistan to acquiring nuclear weapons at a secret meeting held in Multan in the wake of the country`s devastating defeat in the 1971 Bangladesh war.
This was meeting, and the program that resulted from it, were initiated by Bhutto himself, the enactment of a long-standing personal agenda executed at the earliest opportunity he had. A proper study of this program thus must trace the history of Ali Bhutto himself, and his developing interest in the nuclear option for Pakistan.
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was born on 5 January 1928 into an aristocratic family of the Rajput nobility, which possessed (and possesses) near-feudal power in the Sindh region of what is now Pakistan. Bhutto was very much to the manor born -- his father was prominent in the Raj, the British colonial government, and was even knighted. Bhutto was educated at the best Western universities: Berkeley and Oxford. Brilliant and charismatic, Bhutto felt early that he was a man of destiny. After practicing law and lecturing in England, he returned to Pakistan in 1953 to practice law in Karachi. In 1957 he served as a delegate to the United Nations, and after Mohammad Ayub Khan took control of the government in a coup, Bhutto became a cabinet minister at only 30.
By that time Pakistan had already initiated a national nuclear program, a relatively early date, though later than India. The Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) was set up in 1956 so that it could participate in the Atoms for Peace program announced by the Eisenhower administration, but development was slow in its early years.
Things began to pick up in 1960. The nuclear program acquired a new patron -- the Minister of Mineral and Natural Resources, named Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. In 1960 Dr. Ishrat H. Usmani was appointed Chairman of the PAEC. Usmani would be responsible for setting in motion many of the critical programs and institutions that would later give Pakistan nuclear weapons. Usmani started Pinstech (full name variously given as the Pakistan Institute of Nuclear Sciences and Technology, and the Pakistan Institute of Science and Technology) and the Karachi Nuclear Power Plant. One of Usmani`s most momentous achievement is said to be the training program under which brilliant young Pakistanis were selected and sent for training abroad. Between 1960 and 1967 some six hundred were selected of whom 106 eventually returned with doctorate degrees.
Also in 1960 the US gave Pakistan a $350,000 grant to help prepare Pakistan for its first research reactor which the United States agreed to supply two years later. This reactor, a 5 MW light-water research reactor known as the Pakistan Atomic Research Reactor (PARR-1), began operating in 1965 at Pinstech in Nilore.
In 1963 Bhutto became Foreign Minister, carrying his interest in nuclear capabilities into office with him. He watched with growing concern as China moved closer to nuclear capability, and in response India`s domestic rhetoric on the subject grew more bellicose.
During 1964, when China`s first nuclear test seemed imminent, factions in India including India`s most politically prominent scientist (Homi Bhabha, who also led India`s nuclear program), were openly agitating for nuclear weapons. Evidence suggests that India`s new interest in the nuclear option was of great concern to Pakistan. Reports from the fall of 1964 into mid 1965 indicate considerable concern by President Ayub Khan, and his Foreign Minister, who was none other than Ali Bhutto [Pervkovich 1999, p. 108]. In March both men met with Chou En-lai in Beijing, a meeting both felt had very positive results and developed Chinese support for Pakistan. It was shortly after this, in mid-1965, that Bhutto uttered his famous and prophetic oath about matching India`s nuclear capability (see at the top of this page).
#163 Posted by Rommel on December 5, 2005 1:25:00 am
Mr. HP,
Who told you that AQKhan was incharge of nuke testing? If he was then why did the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission conduct the 1998 tests? or even those were conducted by AQKhan? You need to educate yourself about what goes into the making of a nuclear device and what roles the PAEC and AQKhan played in the programs on the technical level. It is you who is relying on newspaper reports, not me.
What nonsense are you talking about security clearance for KRL regarding Munir? He was PAEC Chairman, or is PAEC Chairman an alien for you? or did he come from Mars or Pluto? or was he working for the Indian RAW or Mossad? Just tell me this, why was Munir allowed to remain PAEC Chairman for 19 long years if he did not have security clearance? I am sure you have been reading stuff about Munir that is fed by AQKhan`s paid propaganda writers. Do some objective research before making conclusions. If the PAEC was only restricted to the power program, then where did the Khushab plutonium reactor come from? where did the Centre for Nuclear Studies come from? where did AQKhan get the uranium hexafloride gas, the crucial raw material for enrichment if PAEC was not producing the same? Who built the Chaghi tunnels? why was Samar Mubarakmand, former Member (Technical) PAEC incharge of nuclear testing in 1998 if AQKhan was involved in nuclear tests? AQKhan was never involved with nuclear weapon design, development or manufacture, or any of the steps involved in the nuclear fuel cycle leading to enrichment and subsequently fuel fabrication and plutonium reprocessing.
So if Munir did not have security clearance, then how come those working under him like Samar and Ishfaq had security clearance to conduct the 1998 tests?
How come Samar Mubarikmand is today Chairman NESCOM and why is he heading the nuclear weapons production and missile production programs when he is Munir Ahmad Khan`s trained scientist who worked for 19 yrs under Munir in various projects like NDC and others?
Remember, KRL was there before AQKhan came to Pakistan. It was called Project-706 under Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood. It was only separated in order to ensure that all work in not concentrated in one place.
Please get your facts straight before passing judgements on the PAEC and Munir Khan. So much for security clearance at KRL that AQKhan sold state secrets and equipment for money. Is this the criteria for making people heroes in Pakistan?
If AQKhan was the father of the bomb, he would have been incharge of nuclear testing also, which he was not, because he never had any thing to do with nuclear weapons. Nuclear Physics and Metallurgy do not mix. We are not talking about high school subjects that a metallurgist can learn everthing under the sun because he is AQKhan. Even President Musharraf in an interview with a Japanese newspaper said that AQKhan had nothing to do with nuclear weapons.
That is why the only proliferation charges relate to the one step under AQKhan and not PAEC. If PAEC was involved in power generation only, then we would have had many more power plants than we have today. The fact that PAEC was heading the nuclear weapons program is proof that all its resources were focused on nuclear weapons development.
So what are your sources of information? newspaper reports and books written by AQKhan`s paid writers? or the scientists themselves?
Who told you that AQKhan was incharge of nuke testing? If he was then why did the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission conduct the 1998 tests? or even those were conducted by AQKhan? You need to educate yourself about what goes into the making of a nuclear device and what roles the PAEC and AQKhan played in the programs on the technical level. It is you who is relying on newspaper reports, not me.
What nonsense are you talking about security clearance for KRL regarding Munir? He was PAEC Chairman, or is PAEC Chairman an alien for you? or did he come from Mars or Pluto? or was he working for the Indian RAW or Mossad? Just tell me this, why was Munir allowed to remain PAEC Chairman for 19 long years if he did not have security clearance? I am sure you have been reading stuff about Munir that is fed by AQKhan`s paid propaganda writers. Do some objective research before making conclusions. If the PAEC was only restricted to the power program, then where did the Khushab plutonium reactor come from? where did the Centre for Nuclear Studies come from? where did AQKhan get the uranium hexafloride gas, the crucial raw material for enrichment if PAEC was not producing the same? Who built the Chaghi tunnels? why was Samar Mubarakmand, former Member (Technical) PAEC incharge of nuclear testing in 1998 if AQKhan was involved in nuclear tests? AQKhan was never involved with nuclear weapon design, development or manufacture, or any of the steps involved in the nuclear fuel cycle leading to enrichment and subsequently fuel fabrication and plutonium reprocessing.
So if Munir did not have security clearance, then how come those working under him like Samar and Ishfaq had security clearance to conduct the 1998 tests?
How come Samar Mubarikmand is today Chairman NESCOM and why is he heading the nuclear weapons production and missile production programs when he is Munir Ahmad Khan`s trained scientist who worked for 19 yrs under Munir in various projects like NDC and others?
Remember, KRL was there before AQKhan came to Pakistan. It was called Project-706 under Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood. It was only separated in order to ensure that all work in not concentrated in one place.
Please get your facts straight before passing judgements on the PAEC and Munir Khan. So much for security clearance at KRL that AQKhan sold state secrets and equipment for money. Is this the criteria for making people heroes in Pakistan?
If AQKhan was the father of the bomb, he would have been incharge of nuclear testing also, which he was not, because he never had any thing to do with nuclear weapons. Nuclear Physics and Metallurgy do not mix. We are not talking about high school subjects that a metallurgist can learn everthing under the sun because he is AQKhan. Even President Musharraf in an interview with a Japanese newspaper said that AQKhan had nothing to do with nuclear weapons.
That is why the only proliferation charges relate to the one step under AQKhan and not PAEC. If PAEC was involved in power generation only, then we would have had many more power plants than we have today. The fact that PAEC was heading the nuclear weapons program is proof that all its resources were focused on nuclear weapons development.
So what are your sources of information? newspaper reports and books written by AQKhan`s paid writers? or the scientists themselves?
#166 Posted by Godot on December 5, 2005 7:02:43 am
Re: # 164
Faisal
Ms Shamshad Akhtar seems very qualified and accomplished. However, it cannot escape one`s eye that she is a woman appointed to one of the most prominent and important jobs. I say kudos to the current government in promoting women in Pakistan and appointing them at such important positions.
Faisal
Ms Shamshad Akhtar seems very qualified and accomplished. However, it cannot escape one`s eye that she is a woman appointed to one of the most prominent and important jobs. I say kudos to the current government in promoting women in Pakistan and appointing them at such important positions.
#167 Posted by Urstruly on December 5, 2005 7:15:13 am
Re: # 164 faisal
Consider this:
In the recent donors conference for earthquake victims, the ``world community`` aka. global soodkhors, promised 5.8 billions in ``aid``. This is being promoted by this regime as a big accomplishment. Not many people would know that out of this 5.8 billion, only a fraction i.e. 1.8 b is the aid and rest 4 billion is going to be debt.
In the past every military dictatorship and their political front have taken exhorbitant amount of debt from aalmi soodkhors. In other word these international lenders have invested heavily in Pakistan and like any other investor they want return on their investment. For that, and also to make sure that their investment is safe, from time to time they have started appointing government officials in the GOP. The most prominent examples are, PM Mouinuddin Qureshi and Shortcut Aziz. Now the situation has come to the point that the foreigners dicatate even the basic services that government provides like electric and gas bills, railway fairs, and other taxation. The military regime is used as enforcer to impose their demands and hence brigadiers in military have become meter readers. In other words, corrupt military regime provides muscle to the baniya. We have lost our sovereignity because of the perks and privileges that rogue military and their lawless civilian cohorts enjoy as compensation at nations expense. This is one of the reasons military regime has deliberately not asked for forgoing of debt from US in return for the services they provide to america to establish its global colonial agenda. They want to keep this avenue open.
But this is just one part of the rackett. Lets not forget that under the watchful eyes of the Governor Ishrat and chaiman of S&C Pakistani investors were swindeled out of more than Rs. 600 Billion recently. Most of these investors were retirees and widows. This is how it worked. The madarchod Shaukat Aziz, reduced the interest rates on saving schemes like defence saving certificates etc from 19-23% down to 3.5%. The investors panicked and started looking for other ways to protect whatever they were left with. Meantime, corrupt military generals and other racketeers like Ch. Shujaat (who were already experienced from the scams like cooperative banks of the 90s) etc. setup fake companies in the stock exchange and started promoting new and ``safe`` avenues of investment. The result: with in a year widows started selling their houses and started begging for jobs as housemaids; retirees started comitting suicides; and young men started taking revenge on society by gang rapes and robberies.
But you wouldn`t know. You probably live in a Pakistan where bureaucracy never stops the file; you don`t need to gease any palms, uncles phone call do it all; the police never stops you at check points and ask you for money or else, but salutes you with a ``sorry sir``.
Consider this:
In the recent donors conference for earthquake victims, the ``world community`` aka. global soodkhors, promised 5.8 billions in ``aid``. This is being promoted by this regime as a big accomplishment. Not many people would know that out of this 5.8 billion, only a fraction i.e. 1.8 b is the aid and rest 4 billion is going to be debt.
In the past every military dictatorship and their political front have taken exhorbitant amount of debt from aalmi soodkhors. In other word these international lenders have invested heavily in Pakistan and like any other investor they want return on their investment. For that, and also to make sure that their investment is safe, from time to time they have started appointing government officials in the GOP. The most prominent examples are, PM Mouinuddin Qureshi and Shortcut Aziz. Now the situation has come to the point that the foreigners dicatate even the basic services that government provides like electric and gas bills, railway fairs, and other taxation. The military regime is used as enforcer to impose their demands and hence brigadiers in military have become meter readers. In other words, corrupt military regime provides muscle to the baniya. We have lost our sovereignity because of the perks and privileges that rogue military and their lawless civilian cohorts enjoy as compensation at nations expense. This is one of the reasons military regime has deliberately not asked for forgoing of debt from US in return for the services they provide to america to establish its global colonial agenda. They want to keep this avenue open.
But this is just one part of the rackett. Lets not forget that under the watchful eyes of the Governor Ishrat and chaiman of S&C Pakistani investors were swindeled out of more than Rs. 600 Billion recently. Most of these investors were retirees and widows. This is how it worked. The madarchod Shaukat Aziz, reduced the interest rates on saving schemes like defence saving certificates etc from 19-23% down to 3.5%. The investors panicked and started looking for other ways to protect whatever they were left with. Meantime, corrupt military generals and other racketeers like Ch. Shujaat (who were already experienced from the scams like cooperative banks of the 90s) etc. setup fake companies in the stock exchange and started promoting new and ``safe`` avenues of investment. The result: with in a year widows started selling their houses and started begging for jobs as housemaids; retirees started comitting suicides; and young men started taking revenge on society by gang rapes and robberies.
But you wouldn`t know. You probably live in a Pakistan where bureaucracy never stops the file; you don`t need to gease any palms, uncles phone call do it all; the police never stops you at check points and ask you for money or else, but salutes you with a ``sorry sir``.
#164 Posted by faisaluno on December 5, 2005 6:36:25 am
urstruly, do you have proof to suggest that dr. ishrat hussain pulled a fast one over bloomberg? btw you may also want to keep a vigilant eye on the new governor. seems to me that she will be as bad as if not worse than the previous governor.
http://www.brecorder.com/index.php?id=360913&currPageNo=1&query=&search=&term=&supDate=
...Will she be able to maintain the high standards for the prestigious office set by the outgoing Governor of State Bank of Pakistan, Dr Ishrat Husain?
...Upon the retirement of Khalid Mirza, as Chairman of Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan, she was offered this job. She reportedly declined the offer, as she wanted to live in Karachi with her ageing parents.
...Ms Akhtar could work for eight more years at the ADB, under the Bank`s rules, and will be taking a huge cut in her retirement benefits on resigning to assume the office of SBP Governor.
...But the overriding factor, besides her qualifications, was the perception that other candidates being considered were known for their affiliations with the government, and there was a keen desire not to create a perception that SBP once again had become an appendage of the Ministry of Finance.
The following profile of the new governor reflects the qualities and qualifications she is known for.
WORK EXPERIENCE:Director General (South East Asia) appointed January 2004.
-- Deputy Director General (South East Asia) appointed May 2003.
-- Head of a regional department that structures and intermediates ADB assistance program for the larger Asean including active borrowers such as the Philippines and Indonesia and co-ordinates regional co-operation among large Asean.
-- Managed and supervised four sector divisions handling lending and technical assistance programme for infrastructure sector, governance, finance and trade, agriculture, environment, and natural resources, social sectors and two resident missions located in Philippines and Indonesia.
-- Director, Governance, Finance and Trade Division (From 1998 to January 1, 2002).
REGIONAL COVERAGE: East and Central Asian Republics as well as South East Asia: China, Korea, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyz Republic, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore.
SECTOR COVERAGE: Banking sector, SME, microfinance and other rural market financial intermediation, Pension and Insurance sector, banking and enterprise restructuring and privatisation, corporate governance and work with regulators, governance and private sector assessment work, trade liberalisation and facilitation, governance of public and private sector companies and issues of public sector resource management.
The job involved leading country and sector specific studies and analysis and providing advise to all financial regulators and economic ministers to adopt effective monetary and fiscal policy and management, and develop effective independence and accountability of regulators.
Worked on restructuring the financial sectors and strengthening of the legal, regulatory and institutional framework. Worked with different teams to further structured and strategised ADB lending, technical assistance and policy dialogue on all these subjects.
AMONG OTHERS, FEW EXAMPLES OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS INVOLVED
(i) structuring and implementation of the two large post-financial crisis ADB programs of close to $4 billion to Korea and $1.5 billion for Indonesia to resurrect the collapsed financial sectors,
(ii) advise on modernising and strengthening of the newly created China`s central bank, securities and insurance regulators, and structuring of a pension reform agenda, and
(iii) SOE enterprise restructuring and privatisation and corporate governance program for China, Indonesia, financial sector programs in Indonesia and a number of Central Asian Republics etc.
Interfaced with all countries regulators and finance ministers and had structure initiatives to catalyse the private investment fund managers and other financial intermediaries.
CONCURRENTLY, APPOINTED BY ADB PRESIDENT: Head of the Secretariat of Apec Finance Ministers Process (1998-2002):
This involved leading economic and sector work in the post-financial crisis period and policy dialogue with the Deputies and Finance Ministers on the global, regional and national financial architecture of Apec economies.
WORKED ON SEVERAL BROAD RANGING INITIATIVES: Debate on evolution and strengthening of regional financial architecture for Asian economies including issues surrounding capital flows, banking regulations including the Basle-II Accord and its consequences for developing country financial regulators, diversification of non-bank financial sector, introduction of introduction among Asia of corporate governance standards and reforms of stock exchanges, integration of private sector in this debate and assessing implications of regional financial architecture on financial institutions in developing countries etc.
ADB representative in the Bank International Settlement and International Organisation for Securities Commission and other international forums.
-- Appointed in 2001 as one of the 7-member internal working group to reorganise ADB.
-- Senior Financial Sector Specialist: India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, and Vietnam. (1996 to mid 1998).
-- Senior Country Economist: South Asia with more dedicated work on India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (1990 to 1996).
In these two jobs task managed/supervised large loan and TA transactions, among others were:
1. Indonesia - Non-bank Financial Governance Program Loan ($350 million), 2001
2. Indonesia - Financial Governance Reform Sector Program Loan ($1.5 billion), 1999-2001
3. Korea- Financial Sector Program Loan ($4 billion) 1999-2001)
4. China - TAs for the Peoples Bank of China and Securities and Insurance Regulators
5. China - Pension Reform Program
6. Pakistan - Export and Industry Competitiveness Loan ($200 million), 1998
7. Pakistan - Capital Market Development Programme Loan ($200 million), 1997
8. India - Gujarat Public Sector Resource Management Programme, ($250 million), 1996 - first MDB policy based operation in India focused on reforms at the state level. Reforms included public sector resource management (rationalisation public expenditures and strengthening the revenue base), improved tax administration, infrastructure regulatory policy development, and privatisation of state owned enterprises.
9. Kyrgyz Republic - Financial Intermediation and Resource Mobilisation Programme
10. Kyrgyz Republic - Corporate Governance and Enterprise Restructuring Programme
11. Indonesia - SOE Governance and Privatisation Programme
12. Philippine - Non-bank Financial Governance Programme
ECONOMIC AND SECTOR WORK
-- Contributed chapters to several issues of the World Bank, Pakistan Country Economic Reports.
-- ADB country economic reports and country operational strategy for India, Pakistan and Bangladesh
-- Structured and prepared reports and papers on:
-- estimation and dimensions of poverty
-- public finance including federal, provincial and local government fiscal arrangements and issues
-- resource mobilisation
-- public sector resource management
-- financial sector regulation
-- corporate governance
WORLD BANK (1980-1989): Country Economist at the World Bank`s Pakistan Resident Office in Islamabad. During this period, worked on a number of sector studies and projects and contributed annually to the World Bank`s Country Economic Report that was presented to the Paris Consortium Meeting to raise the required aid assistance for Pakistan.
Government of Pakistan (1980-1981) Economist in the National Income and Economic Research Division of the Federal Planning Commission first in Islamabad and than briefly at the Planning and Development Department in the Government of Sindh, Karachi which is a provincial government.
EDUCATION
-- Harvard University, USA (1986-1987) Post-Doctoral Fellow and US Fullbright Scholar at Department of Economics.
-- Council of National Academic Award UK (1978-1980), Ph D Economics: Awarded a Scholarship from the UK Government.
-- University of Sussex, UK (completed in December 1977) Masters of Arts Degree in Development Economics; Awarded UK Government scholarship
-- The University of Islamabad, Pakistan (completed in August 1975, MSc (Economics).
-- University of Punjab, Islamabad, Pakistan (1972-1974) Bachelor of Arts (Economics).
#165 Posted by KaalChakra on December 5, 2005 6:42:00 am
HP
Indeed, it seems inappropriate to label Mr. Khan as Xerox Khan. He couldn`t have had unfettered access to photocopying facilities (if those were available at all). An alternative story is that he escaped detection by transcribing classified documents in Urdu script. But assuming that he had to contend with at least some figures and diagrams, he likely did more than simply transcribe.
Indeed, it seems inappropriate to label Mr. Khan as Xerox Khan. He couldn`t have had unfettered access to photocopying facilities (if those were available at all). An alternative story is that he escaped detection by transcribing classified documents in Urdu script. But assuming that he had to contend with at least some figures and diagrams, he likely did more than simply transcribe.
#170 Posted by Godot on December 5, 2005 7:57:32 am
Re: # 168
Faisal
I very strongly believe in merit-based society. However, I think appointment of qualified women at critical positions in Pakistan is very important. Pakistani girls need role models for inspiration. Women are half the Pakistani population. Pakistan must take advantage of this huge but untapped asset.
Faisal
I very strongly believe in merit-based society. However, I think appointment of qualified women at critical positions in Pakistan is very important. Pakistani girls need role models for inspiration. Women are half the Pakistani population. Pakistan must take advantage of this huge but untapped asset.
#168 Posted by faisaluno on December 5, 2005 7:27:20 am
godot, cant say i completely agree with you. the sole criteria should be merit and i for one would not be very happy if gender came into consideration in the selection for such an important role. in my opinion, govt should be applauded for appointing people with right qualifications rather than making decisions based on gender. however i do think that media needs to highlight the achievements of women who make it on merit because of dearth of successful female role models. urdu press certainly needs to look beyond people like qadeer khan who if nothing else certianly do hog the spotlight.
#169 Posted by jang on December 5, 2005 7:32:27 am
its absolutely amazing that pakistanis know (and some even know where they live) all the luminaries of nuke-programs. Indians can name Homi Bhabha, but noone else. Even Kalam became famous only after he became pres candidate.
if a direct head-on election were to be held bet mush and AQ, my bet is AQ would win.
if a direct head-on election were to be held bet mush and AQ, my bet is AQ would win.
#172 Posted by Godot on December 5, 2005 8:31:53 am
Re: # 171
Faisal
How`s Pakistan doing in building physical infrastructure, ie, roads, bridges, etc, and connecting the country?
Faisal
How`s Pakistan doing in building physical infrastructure, ie, roads, bridges, etc, and connecting the country?
#175 Posted by Urstruly on December 5, 2005 8:49:27 am
Re: # 171 faisal
Are you for real?
1. Pakistan should not borrow money not only for that that we lose our sovereignity but our next generations will pay it back through their noses ( and rears).
2. Pakistan has incurred 10 billion US dollar worth of loan in the last 5 years alone. The kicker is that a couple of months ago Shortcut Aziz bragged that ``hum ne kashkol torr diya hay``( We have broken our begging pan) and the very next day he signed a deal with Japan for a loan of US$ 550 million.
Probably this will open your eyes. And have mercy on people of Pakistan and stop disseminating government lies and propaganda without verification.
Pakistan obtained $10b foreign loans
By Javed Mahmood
LAHORE - Pakistan has obtained about $10 billion worth foreign loans in last four and a half years, The Nation learnt on Sunday.
Besides the loans, the country raised $1.10 billion debt from the international financial markets by offering Euro and ‘Sukuk’ bonds in the last couple of years.
Data collected by The Nation revealed that Pakistan obtained $1.60 billion foreign loans in 2000-01, $2.316 billion in 2001-02, $1.55 billion in 2002-03, $1.242 billion in 2003-04 and $2 billion in July-December period of 2004-05.
Meanwhile, the government also introduced Euro bonds worth $500 million and Sukuk bonds amounting to $600 million in international market.
The inflow of foreign loans, obtained by Shaukat Aziz-led economic team, belie the government claims that it has forsaken begging bowl and reduced reliance on external borrowings. Contrarily, the Kashkol (Begging bowl) has been extended to raise more and more foreign loans during the last few years.
The government in December last year returned last two tranches of Poverty Reduction and Growth Facility (PRGF) to the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
This exercise made the government to indulge in hollow sloganeering that dependence on foreign loans has been given up and that it is in a position to survive without foreign loans.
However, the federal government claims nosedived when it rushed to the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank to obtain more loans to support foreign exchange reserves, facing pressure due to widening trade imbalance, stabilise rupee against dollar and pay the rising import bill.
The Nation learnt that government officials held frequent meetings with the said two donor agencies, which enabled it to disburse about $2 billion in July to December this fiscal.
The huge disbursement of foreign loans in six months of this financial year seems a new record because, in the past, the annual disbursement never exceeded $2 billion mark.
Official sources say that in 2004-05, the total lending of the donors to Pakistan might exceed $3 billion as the WB and ADB have not only enhanced the size of lending, but also expedited the disbursements.
Interestingly, in July to December this fiscal the total foreign debt of Pakistan increased by $1.45 billion from $35.25 billion in 2003-04 to $36.70 billion, mainly due to federal government’s policy to obtain more and more loans.
The burden of foreign loans on Pakistan is expected to further increase in next three years as the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank have doubled the annual lending to Pakistan under the new three-year programme on the request of the federal government, sources maintained.
http://nation.com.pk/daily/may-2005/16/index5.php
Are you for real?
1. Pakistan should not borrow money not only for that that we lose our sovereignity but our next generations will pay it back through their noses ( and rears).
2. Pakistan has incurred 10 billion US dollar worth of loan in the last 5 years alone. The kicker is that a couple of months ago Shortcut Aziz bragged that ``hum ne kashkol torr diya hay``( We have broken our begging pan) and the very next day he signed a deal with Japan for a loan of US$ 550 million.
Probably this will open your eyes. And have mercy on people of Pakistan and stop disseminating government lies and propaganda without verification.
Pakistan obtained $10b foreign loans
By Javed Mahmood
LAHORE - Pakistan has obtained about $10 billion worth foreign loans in last four and a half years, The Nation learnt on Sunday.
Besides the loans, the country raised $1.10 billion debt from the international financial markets by offering Euro and ‘Sukuk’ bonds in the last couple of years.
Data collected by The Nation revealed that Pakistan obtained $1.60 billion foreign loans in 2000-01, $2.316 billion in 2001-02, $1.55 billion in 2002-03, $1.242 billion in 2003-04 and $2 billion in July-December period of 2004-05.
Meanwhile, the government also introduced Euro bonds worth $500 million and Sukuk bonds amounting to $600 million in international market.
The inflow of foreign loans, obtained by Shaukat Aziz-led economic team, belie the government claims that it has forsaken begging bowl and reduced reliance on external borrowings. Contrarily, the Kashkol (Begging bowl) has been extended to raise more and more foreign loans during the last few years.
The government in December last year returned last two tranches of Poverty Reduction and Growth Facility (PRGF) to the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
This exercise made the government to indulge in hollow sloganeering that dependence on foreign loans has been given up and that it is in a position to survive without foreign loans.
However, the federal government claims nosedived when it rushed to the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank to obtain more loans to support foreign exchange reserves, facing pressure due to widening trade imbalance, stabilise rupee against dollar and pay the rising import bill.
The Nation learnt that government officials held frequent meetings with the said two donor agencies, which enabled it to disburse about $2 billion in July to December this fiscal.
The huge disbursement of foreign loans in six months of this financial year seems a new record because, in the past, the annual disbursement never exceeded $2 billion mark.
Official sources say that in 2004-05, the total lending of the donors to Pakistan might exceed $3 billion as the WB and ADB have not only enhanced the size of lending, but also expedited the disbursements.
Interestingly, in July to December this fiscal the total foreign debt of Pakistan increased by $1.45 billion from $35.25 billion in 2003-04 to $36.70 billion, mainly due to federal government’s policy to obtain more and more loans.
The burden of foreign loans on Pakistan is expected to further increase in next three years as the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank have doubled the annual lending to Pakistan under the new three-year programme on the request of the federal government, sources maintained.
http://nation.com.pk/daily/may-2005/16/index5.php
#171 Posted by faisaluno on December 5, 2005 8:28:03 am
urstruly, you are saying a lot of things which contradict each other. let me try and make a little sense out of it.
i. i agree that pak should avoid borrowing money from foreigners because we dont want non pakistanis to have a say in our affairs.
ii. you will be happy to know that pak`s foreign debt has been constant over the last 5 years at $35bn. in comparison, during the decade of democracy, pak`s foreign debt went up from $20bn to $40bn. so by this measure, the current govt has out performed the previous governments. furthermore, nationally assembly has passed a law which puts a limit on govt budget deficit. this law will insure that pak will not get into a pickle it found itself in at the end of nawaz sharif`s hukumath.
iii. since pak has borrowed money from abroad, it has to pay it back. and the only three ways it can pay back foreign debt is by (i) attracting foreign investment (2) producing goods that are in demand abroad (3) discovering oil. since i am not a petroleum engineer, i cant comment on (3). also given the level of human capital in pak, it will not be possible in the short run to increase exports to a level needed to payback foreign debt. realistically then it only leaves us with option (i) if we want to rid ourselves of foreign debt. to attract foreign investment, pak will have to (1) assure security to foreign investors (2) convince them that foreign investors will make money by investing in pak. the way to achieve (1) is to play by the rules laid down by investors which means following policies as recommended by the multi-lateral institutions. once pak becomes as rich as say malaysia, pak can thumb its nose at the multi-lateral agencies like mahatir did.
iv. if pakistan defaults on foreign debt, it will be in a worse shape than iraq after sanctions because pakistan, unlike iraq, does not have oil. default will mean that pak among otherthings will not be able to pay for oil imports which means that pak economy will stop functioning. in addition, pak will not be able to pay for medicine either.
v. the stock market is almost back to where it was in march. also people who have stayed with the market on a long term basis have made more money than they could have imagined. also i have no sympathy for any individual that tries to play the stock market for short term gains. investing for long term is a different matter.
vi. interest rates rise and fall depending on the cycle of the economy. obviously depositors lose out when rates fall. otoh lower real interest rates stimulate the economy which puts food on the table of people who might otherwise be jobless.
vii. you have to be a sick fucker to blame gang rapes on govt.
viii. although i live abroad, i grew up in a middle class household in n.nazimabad. yet through hard work, i have done very well for myself mashallah. thankfully, i also did not have mentors like you.
#176 Posted by Urstruly on December 5, 2005 8:54:28 am
Re: # 173
I always do my homework. I hope the last post would have opened your eyes too. But I really doubt it. You probably belong to that corrupt ruling class of this country who have vested interests in keeping this country begging and corrupt.
I always do my homework. I hope the last post would have opened your eyes too. But I really doubt it. You probably belong to that corrupt ruling class of this country who have vested interests in keeping this country begging and corrupt.
#173 Posted by tahmed32 on December 5, 2005 8:42:38 am
faisaluno: ``urstruly, you are saying a lot of things which contradict each other.``
yup! that is our urstruly!!
yup! that is our urstruly!!
#174 Posted by faisaluno on December 5, 2005 8:47:08 am
godot,
physical infrastucture is in a better shape compared to that of the neighbours although that is not saying much. govt has grand plans for improvemnt and the financing proposals seem credible. politicians, as is their want, are creating hurdles as with the kalabagh dam and therefore have to be neutralised. i think the important thing going forward is going to be the 2007 elections. i will be very optimistic if results go according to govt`s plan.
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