Beena Sarwar November 13, 2005
#47 Posted by Urstruly on November 15, 2005 6:11:39 am
With in hours after the earthquake hit Pakistan, some Pakistani doctors in our mosque started forming a volunteer group of doctors who would leave with in a couple of days to the area of devastation and provide medical help. These doctors used their contacts and various other Muslim doctors from the area of multinational origins, like Turkish, Indonesian, Bangladeshi, Hyderabadi, Canadians etc. also joined the group and group became as large as 15 doctors. Theses doctors used their resources and Muslim community pitched in and with in 5 days they made a container full of medical supplies ready. Every doctor was so excited because that was going to be one hell of a Ramadan that could become their stairway to heaven. But GOP refused enetry to all doctors except three Pakistani; the Pakistani doctors were not allowed because they were Paksitani citizens but only on the condition that they would deposit all their medical supplies to Prime Minister`s Relief Fund first.
The Pak military regime in their vassal mentality could not allow those doctors probably because it reflected bad on their masters. And it was against the wishes of their masters also for whom every Muslim is a terrorist. One of the core reason the military regime discuraged foreign media from reporting the truth of devastation was because it would mobilize the Muslims across the region. This is the last thing that these cowards and hypocites want. Their cowardice is eveident by the fact that as their masters came in with their couple of helicopters they tore down all the banners of Muslim humanitarian organizations; who started helping their fellow brethern even when rocks hadn`t stopped falling yet. Oh God! Help us rid of these heartless cowards and hypocrites who oppress us and steer us away from Your righteous path.
#46 Posted by hindvi on November 15, 2005 3:40:19 am
Mr. Kulharee
you are misinformed, most turks are religous, Erdogans presence at the head of the turkish govt is evidence of that. The secular westernised segment is large but nonetheless a minority, it is more evident outside Turkey and in positions of power in the elite, thus this misimpression. Though if u said the turks, syrians, Libyans, Algerians, tunisians etc are less orthodox than most other muslim nations (save Kazakhistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan and kyrghizistan) you would be right.
you are misinformed, most turks are religous, Erdogans presence at the head of the turkish govt is evidence of that. The secular westernised segment is large but nonetheless a minority, it is more evident outside Turkey and in positions of power in the elite, thus this misimpression. Though if u said the turks, syrians, Libyans, Algerians, tunisians etc are less orthodox than most other muslim nations (save Kazakhistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan and kyrghizistan) you would be right.
#45 Posted by lubnaM on November 15, 2005 3:38:55 am
Re: # 38
You shud have appreciated the jihadis when they were putting their lives at risk to help the quake affected ppl....jihad does not mean to kill innocent people so please call them(the people behind the blast) by the name of their organization and not JIHADIS....
thanks.
You shud have appreciated the jihadis when they were putting their lives at risk to help the quake affected ppl....jihad does not mean to kill innocent people so please call them(the people behind the blast) by the name of their organization and not JIHADIS....
thanks.
#44 Posted by lubnaM on November 15, 2005 3:38:53 am
Re: # 38
You shud have appreciated the jihadis when they were putting their lives at risk to help the quake affected ppl....jihad does not mean to kill innocent people so please call them(the people behind the blast) by the name of their organization and not JIHADIS....
thanks.
You shud have appreciated the jihadis when they were putting their lives at risk to help the quake affected ppl....jihad does not mean to kill innocent people so please call them(the people behind the blast) by the name of their organization and not JIHADIS....
thanks.
#43 Posted by emthree1 on November 15, 2005 3:12:46 am
Re: # 38
``I hope the Pakistani people can finally take a stand and end these Lashkar-e-this and Jaish-e-that organizations from their soil.``
Not gonna happen untill the brainwashing of children stops:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18514
And considering the recent bomb (and a couple earlier) was at a KFC outlet, this from the above article is really ironic:
``A significant proportion of these are run by, or connected to, the radical Islamist political parties such as the MMM, which under Sami`s vice-presidency have just imposed a Taliban-like regime on Pakistan`s North-West Frontier Province, banning the public performance of music and depictions of the human form. The one exception to this, bizarrely, is the image of Colonel Sanders outside the new Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant in Peshawar. This was apparently because the Colonel was judged to be sporting a properly Islamic beard, and so was spared the iconoclasm imposed elsewhere.``
``I hope the Pakistani people can finally take a stand and end these Lashkar-e-this and Jaish-e-that organizations from their soil.``
Not gonna happen untill the brainwashing of children stops:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18514
And considering the recent bomb (and a couple earlier) was at a KFC outlet, this from the above article is really ironic:
``A significant proportion of these are run by, or connected to, the radical Islamist political parties such as the MMM, which under Sami`s vice-presidency have just imposed a Taliban-like regime on Pakistan`s North-West Frontier Province, banning the public performance of music and depictions of the human form. The one exception to this, bizarrely, is the image of Colonel Sanders outside the new Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant in Peshawar. This was apparently because the Colonel was judged to be sporting a properly Islamic beard, and so was spared the iconoclasm imposed elsewhere.``
#42 Posted by Dash_Dot on November 15, 2005 2:59:53 am
#41 Posted by amansandhu on November 15, 2005 2:34:25 am
The harsh winter is on the way and many are still homeless. The goverment can relocate people in schools and colleges. The children of the school and colleges which are taken over can go to other schools, which can have morning and afternoon shifts to acomodate
all children.
all children.
#40 Posted by Nadia_Zehra on November 15, 2005 1:18:43 am
The name fixed to the Earthquake as “South Asian Earthquake” is itself deceptive in my opinion as major devastation is suffered by Pakistan and Pakistan administered Kashmir where the epicenter was. And Pakistan has yet to deal with growing crisis of settlements of thousands of refugees, their safekeeping, and food. Where the beautiful standing North of hundreds of years is ruined and completely wiped off, it needs to be rebuilt. But the overwhelming pressure of sheltering a huge population without roof is the main intention at hand. It is obvious that pressure will sooner or later be shifted to large cities as Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad as there seems no turning back for moment. As far as media coverage is concerned at peak hours of earthquake CNN showed its disregard and it was not shown as a Major Natural Disaster hit at present census. But the US/Iraq elections took more time than a catastrophe of such big scale. Thus Pakistan couldn’t get enough attention as Tsunami victims got at proper time. At that time too the concern was mainly on missing European citizens in the chaos then littering populations of the islands streets. It is a good time to see efforts of NGOs, Army and Religious organization and mostly people of Pakistan at the same platform. Where MQM is shown to take the lead on a political party hemisphere and that is a media pretense if observe carefully.
The help for the victims is not to be done at one stage but it should be a continuous process at a long run and it should be premeditated where the next pressure line is drifted due to this huge collision as studies have revealed that next probable earthquake location can be highlighted in this chain process but not the time determination.
The rule of circumstances is to keep a contiuous help process as its not enough to be urgent just!
The help for the victims is not to be done at one stage but it should be a continuous process at a long run and it should be premeditated where the next pressure line is drifted due to this huge collision as studies have revealed that next probable earthquake location can be highlighted in this chain process but not the time determination.
The rule of circumstances is to keep a contiuous help process as its not enough to be urgent just!
#39 Posted by vengatramanan on November 14, 2005 11:40:56 pm
Pakistanis should stop complaining about everything. US or any country is under no obligation to help. Instead of running down others contributions try to understand the value of that irrespective of the size of the donation.
/*#31 by harimau on November 14, 2005 4:54pm PT
Zeena,
Have you considered contacting US physicians from South Asia (Bangladesh, India, Sri Lanka) through any AMA networks that may exist to see whether they can raise medical supplies for your efforts? I am sure they would respond positively. */
Thats very true. Pakistanis need not feel any sense of shame to approach their neighbours.
Indian doctors can do a great work if they are pemitted. Its the people`s lives thats important and not your false sense of pride.
/*#31 by harimau on November 14, 2005 4:54pm PT
Zeena,
Have you considered contacting US physicians from South Asia (Bangladesh, India, Sri Lanka) through any AMA networks that may exist to see whether they can raise medical supplies for your efforts? I am sure they would respond positively. */
Thats very true. Pakistanis need not feel any sense of shame to approach their neighbours.
Indian doctors can do a great work if they are pemitted. Its the people`s lives thats important and not your false sense of pride.
#38 Posted by Ranjit on November 14, 2005 11:03:50 pm
Looks like the jihadies struck again, this time in Karachi killing a bunch of people (presumably muslim) and injuring many more. Just a few days back, they killed a bunch of people in Delhi. How long are we going to tolerate this nonsense? I hope the Pakistani people can finally take a stand and end these Lashkar-e-this and Jaish-e-that organizations from their soil. The policy of a thousand cuts against India has become a thousand cuts against Pakistan as well. These organizations will never benefit Pakistan but rather drag it down.
#37 Posted by theedge on November 14, 2005 8:20:58 pm
Ah, another earthquake piece. Romair bhai-jan, it is 9:00 am in the morning in Karachi and we just heard a massive blast from Shareton Hotel. The skies are clogged with smoke. Any idea what might have caused this blast?
#36 Posted by Romair on November 14, 2005 7:39:33 pm
Urstruly #33: ``Lets face it. The 80% of all the relief that came to Pakistan was either donated by governments of Islamic countries or even more so by the people of those Islamic countries who have sent their aid thru Muslim and Islamic charities and relief organizations.``
This is both true and untrue....In ratio to size of economies, this is probably true.
However, overall, I believe the most help has come from your country, the USA. I think the total amount of money, is around $130 million. And then another $43 million raised by the people. But most of all, the biggest help have been Chinook and Blackhawk helicopters. Pakistan would have been in big trouble, without these helicopters........
After the USA, and in proportions to overall ecnomies of the countries, no doubt the most help has come from Muslim countries. Turkey gave $150 million. Saudi Arabia $133 million, plus around $40 million raised by Saudi citizens. And UAE gave $100 million. Kuwait, I believe, gave $100 million for Katrina. So I hope they gave at least the same here....
I think the USA will score a lot of points for goodwill in the areas. This is what the USA should be doing, if it wants to reach the, ``hearts and minds`` of Muslims. Instead of spending $300 billion in bombing Iraq. The USA will probably give a lot more. It has a lot invested in Musharraf.
I think Pakistanis will have moved closer to the Middle Eastern Muslim countries also. After seeing the amount of money and time they have invested in this tragedy..........
This is both true and untrue....In ratio to size of economies, this is probably true.
However, overall, I believe the most help has come from your country, the USA. I think the total amount of money, is around $130 million. And then another $43 million raised by the people. But most of all, the biggest help have been Chinook and Blackhawk helicopters. Pakistan would have been in big trouble, without these helicopters........
After the USA, and in proportions to overall ecnomies of the countries, no doubt the most help has come from Muslim countries. Turkey gave $150 million. Saudi Arabia $133 million, plus around $40 million raised by Saudi citizens. And UAE gave $100 million. Kuwait, I believe, gave $100 million for Katrina. So I hope they gave at least the same here....
I think the USA will score a lot of points for goodwill in the areas. This is what the USA should be doing, if it wants to reach the, ``hearts and minds`` of Muslims. Instead of spending $300 billion in bombing Iraq. The USA will probably give a lot more. It has a lot invested in Musharraf.
I think Pakistanis will have moved closer to the Middle Eastern Muslim countries also. After seeing the amount of money and time they have invested in this tragedy..........
#35 Posted by Ahmadzai on November 14, 2005 7:22:05 pm
Two excellent posts at #25 and # 26 by Romair. I salute you sir :-)
urstruly: It is good to note that countries like Turkey, UAE, Saudi Arabia and Malaysia have come to our help in a great way. However, it is not a wise thing to keep challenging others who have not shown generosity. We can`t continue to earn enimity of other countries at a time when our real and only enemy (extremist element from neighboring country who is running hate Muslim and hate Pakistan campaign all over the world) is out in full force to harm us at each and every fora. At the specific time when we needed western sympathy, this enemy has played its card and have slapped us with another `aid to terrorists` charge without any evidence in an attempt to paint us in the black. Now do you suggest that we go out there and start taking `Punga` with the west on not helping us and earn its animosity, precisely what this enemy wants west to do with us?
urstruly: It is good to note that countries like Turkey, UAE, Saudi Arabia and Malaysia have come to our help in a great way. However, it is not a wise thing to keep challenging others who have not shown generosity. We can`t continue to earn enimity of other countries at a time when our real and only enemy (extremist element from neighboring country who is running hate Muslim and hate Pakistan campaign all over the world) is out in full force to harm us at each and every fora. At the specific time when we needed western sympathy, this enemy has played its card and have slapped us with another `aid to terrorists` charge without any evidence in an attempt to paint us in the black. Now do you suggest that we go out there and start taking `Punga` with the west on not helping us and earn its animosity, precisely what this enemy wants west to do with us?
#34 Posted by Kulharee on November 14, 2005 7:08:56 pm
Re: # 33
Yeah, just saw flying camels medivacing the injured on Al-Jazeera TV, and there are so many Arabs and Mooslem paramedics setting up all kinds of clinics in the devastated areas.
Pakistan should be grateful for Turk’s generosity, but Turks don’t consider themselves to be part of one big bad Ummah.
Urstruly, do you have any stats on how many Medical stations have the Ummah (specially the Arabs) set up in Kashmir? Thanks. And if it is not too much work, let us know how many White Infidel Medic teams are working in the region. Thanks again.
Also, how many Arbi helicopter are flying in the area helping with vacating the people. I know the Kafir United States has 24 choppers fyling 14 hours, with some 900 personnel. I am not aware of any Arbi man (or woman without suicide belt) present in the region. If you have any information, I would like to hear about it. Many thanks.
Yeah, just saw flying camels medivacing the injured on Al-Jazeera TV, and there are so many Arabs and Mooslem paramedics setting up all kinds of clinics in the devastated areas.
Pakistan should be grateful for Turk’s generosity, but Turks don’t consider themselves to be part of one big bad Ummah.
Urstruly, do you have any stats on how many Medical stations have the Ummah (specially the Arabs) set up in Kashmir? Thanks. And if it is not too much work, let us know how many White Infidel Medic teams are working in the region. Thanks again.
Also, how many Arbi helicopter are flying in the area helping with vacating the people. I know the Kafir United States has 24 choppers fyling 14 hours, with some 900 personnel. I am not aware of any Arbi man (or woman without suicide belt) present in the region. If you have any information, I would like to hear about it. Many thanks.
#33 Posted by Urstruly on November 14, 2005 6:48:14 pm
Lets face it. The 80% of all the relief that came to Pakistan was either donated by governments of Islamic countries or even more so by the people of those Islamic countries who have sent their aid thru Muslim and Islamic charities and relief organizations. THis shows despite the shamless efforts of vassals of west and enemies of God in our country who could do nothing but use the media to promote themselves. This must tell Pakistanis who cares abouts us. It is only our Muslim brothers and sisters spread across God`s green earth who have felt our pain and helped without giving a second thought whether it is good for PR or not. This has put a garam aalu on infidels behind because looking at our ruling class they thought that the Pakistani nation would also be as spineless, heartless, lathargic, and apathetic towards our fellow citizens. But they were sadly mistaken. WE have showed them alright. This self awareness is our first infant step to win freedom and soverienity and get rid of the corrupt ruling class and military that has oppressed us inhumanly so far. This tells us that, we will win because God is on our side.
#32 Posted by Zeena on November 14, 2005 5:31:14 pm
#31 harimau
Thats a very good suggestion. I think they are already helping. But, anyways, i will make sure they are being asked for help................
Thats a very good suggestion. I think they are already helping. But, anyways, i will make sure they are being asked for help................
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