Withdrawing from Iraq: A Disaster Waiting to Happen?

Moving out of Iraq is most certainly going to throw the country into widespread civil unrest and civil war.


Arm the shias..arm the kurds...let them get some payback on the sunnis...and get the hell out..

The sunnis don`t have the oil..the shias and the kurds do...

I`m sure the Peshmerga won`t tolerate sunni nonsense...

#36 by kamasutra on November 24, 2005 6:49pm PT


Much like banker lady say - Early withdrawal mean stiff penalty.


Early withdrawal means no knocking up anyone...

``Moving a little further east is Afghanistan, a country deep-seated in radical, fundamental ideals and one that has proved to be an elusive target for powers new and old`` ?

And how exactly is afghanistan ``rooted`` in radical fundamental ideals?

shiites itching for some payback...Let them tackle the insurgents like Saddam ``tackled`` them...

Shiite Urges U.S. to Give Iraqis Leeway In Rebel Fight
Americans Have Blocked Tougher Tactics, Cleric Says

By Ellen Knickmeyer
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, November 27, 2005; A01

BAGHDAD -- The leader of Iraq`s most powerful political party has called on the United States to let Iraqi fighters take a more aggressive role against insurgents, saying his country will only be able to defeat the insurgency when the United States lets Iraqis get tough.

``The more freedom given to Iraqis, the more chance for further progress there would be, particularly in fighting terror,`` said Abdul Aziz Hakim, head of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, the Shiite Muslim religious party that leads the transitional government and whose armed wing is the most feared of Iraq`s many factional forces.

Click on the URL below for yet another “take” on staying in Iraq or leaving. I’ve posted a short excerpt.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GL01Ak01.html

What `staying the course` really means
By Robert Dreyfuss

``Nearly three years into the war in Iraq, the Bush administration tells us that it wasn`t about weapons of mass destruction or Iraqi ties to al-Qaeda, but about America`s holy mission to spread democracy to the benighted regions of the Middle East. However, postwar Iraq is anything but a democracy. In fact, if Iraq manages to avoid all-out civil war, it is likely to end up with a government that is fiercely undemocratic - a Shi`ite theocratic dictatorship that rules by terror, torture, and armed might.

What President George W Bush has wrought in Iraq is just the latest in a long string of US efforts to make common cause with the Islamic right. But like the Sorcerer`s Apprentice, whose naive and inexperienced use of magic blows up in his face, American efforts to play with the forces of political Islam have proved to be dangerous, volatile and often uncontrollable.``

#53, ``...long string of US efforts to make common cause with the Islamic right..`` Point well taken, the ``Islamic Right`` is a creation of the colonial west- a caricature forced upon Islam from the beginning, in justification of the crusades and as Christian propaganda and of course there are idiots like UBL who do their utmost to mold themselves into this caricature, in the name of Islam.

The article I did on Islam: Image & Reality Post 9/11 can be read at http://blog.asadi.org
Here is an excerpt that is relevant to the quote above:

Contrary to what these agenda driven writings present, Islam has the strongest organized social justice component within its system, compared not only to most other religions, but to most secular systems as well. Not only does it suggest a community-style society of humankind by pointing to the natural world as guide (Quran 6:38), with humanity as trustee, not owner of resources (Quran 2:284, 57:7 etc.), it encourages the distribution of the surplus of every individual (Quran 2:219) in the form of a social fund (Quran 9:60) administered by those in charge of governance. It makes the fulfillment of basic necessities of the needy a ``religious`` duty, without which the ritual of prayer itself is mocked, yes mocked by the Quran itself (Quran 107:1-7). Such ``socialistic`` emphasis on social justice, organized within a religious system is unheard of in the world of religion, which according to Marx often served as the ``opium of the masses``. The Quran’s emphasis on the sanctity of human life, comparing a single one to all of humanity (Quran 5:32) is also unsurpassed in world literature, and the common bond, the ``human consciousness`` it intends to create based upon common origin (Quran 4:1) and one creator God, who created all equally according to his nature (Quran 30:30) is equally unsurpassed as humanitarian doctrine and is demonstrated as fact during the Hajj pilgrimage. All systems have been abused and misused for political/economic motives and Islam is no exception, but condemning it as an inherently anti-human ideology is dishonest and unjust. (Often the distorted, reactionary version of Islam has been implanted from ``outside`` as was the case of the proxy Cold-War that the U.S. was fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan: here you had the CIA, most of whom were non-believers in Islam, promising the Afghans a sure ticket to heaven if they died fighting the Soviets,- (text books printed in the US meant for the Afghan youth from that era still float around in Pakistan) Stinger missiles were an added bonus; supporting Zia’s “Saudi Islamization” of Pakistan etc.)

If I might re-phrase the title of this article, ``(U.S.)-Withdrawing from Iraq: PEACE waiting to happen``-