Farzana Versey November 23, 2005
#28 Posted by sadna on November 29, 2005 6:01:53 am
Zeenaji
I am not trying to convince you nor have I said anything about whether Pakistanis should or should not support him. It is the Indians that I talked about. Excuse me I have the right to speak to Indians about his support for those who kill Indians.
I am not trying to convince you nor have I said anything about whether Pakistanis should or should not support him. It is the Indians that I talked about. Excuse me I have the right to speak to Indians about his support for those who kill Indians.
#27 Posted by Zeena on November 29, 2005 1:05:15 am
sadna jii
I am not denying you. May be Imran said some words in their favour. But, just to have more supporters. I admit, he is hypocrite in some issues. But, again, it doean`t mean , he is not worth of our respect for what he has done and is still doing for Pakistan and of course it is for the good cause.
Imran is a practical man, not just wordy. He did, what he promised. He is strong willed leader. I wish him , all the best and I wish him PM ship of Pakistan. Yes, Pakistan needs leaders like him to guide , already misguided Pakis.
He has earned this respect after serving Pakistani people through out his life, be it Paki cricket team captain, or helping cancer victims by his charity hospital, or helping earthquake victims. Mind it I am not trying to convince you. I hate to convince people to try my best to make them agreeable to my opinion or to my point of view. If, everything will be alike, then where would be beauty??
You have the right to reserve your opinion about HIM,but, I have the right to reserve my BELIEF upon HIM...................You go with your opinion, I will trust my BELIEF...............Thanks
I am not denying you. May be Imran said some words in their favour. But, just to have more supporters. I admit, he is hypocrite in some issues. But, again, it doean`t mean , he is not worth of our respect for what he has done and is still doing for Pakistan and of course it is for the good cause.
Imran is a practical man, not just wordy. He did, what he promised. He is strong willed leader. I wish him , all the best and I wish him PM ship of Pakistan. Yes, Pakistan needs leaders like him to guide , already misguided Pakis.
He has earned this respect after serving Pakistani people through out his life, be it Paki cricket team captain, or helping cancer victims by his charity hospital, or helping earthquake victims. Mind it I am not trying to convince you. I hate to convince people to try my best to make them agreeable to my opinion or to my point of view. If, everything will be alike, then where would be beauty??
You have the right to reserve your opinion about HIM,but, I have the right to reserve my BELIEF upon HIM...................You go with your opinion, I will trust my BELIEF...............Thanks
#26 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on November 28, 2005 9:53:44 am
#25, kulharee {``Swinging a bat doesn’t make one a man.``}
Dear Axe Bhai,
Now, come on :) Did you really want to say that? I thought that was the distinguishing feature.
On a more serious note, I agree with what you said about Punju landlords.
Dear Axe Bhai,
Now, come on :) Did you really want to say that? I thought that was the distinguishing feature.
On a more serious note, I agree with what you said about Punju landlords.
#25 Posted by Kulharee on November 28, 2005 8:12:39 am
Re: # 24
Salim Bhai… He comes from a village only a stone’s throw away from mine. He has done zilch to lift his people from misery and underdevelopment. He, as the other elite of that region, i.e., the Jerks of Kala Bagh have done zilch for the people of that region. Swinging a bat doesn’t make one a man. It takes a lot more than that. He is your typical Punjabi zamindar moron who thinks that he is a God’s gift to the world. He has lived a very sheltered life and he doesn’t have a clue about the real world. He might have been a good athlete, but he only represents elitist mindset of Punjab and is certainly not a representative of an average Pakistani.
Salim Bhai… He comes from a village only a stone’s throw away from mine. He has done zilch to lift his people from misery and underdevelopment. He, as the other elite of that region, i.e., the Jerks of Kala Bagh have done zilch for the people of that region. Swinging a bat doesn’t make one a man. It takes a lot more than that. He is your typical Punjabi zamindar moron who thinks that he is a God’s gift to the world. He has lived a very sheltered life and he doesn’t have a clue about the real world. He might have been a good athlete, but he only represents elitist mindset of Punjab and is certainly not a representative of an average Pakistani.
#24 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on November 28, 2005 7:55:16 am
Kulharee #23, LOL
Dear Axeman,
Other than that how do you feel about the holy ex-captain?
Dear Axeman,
Other than that how do you feel about the holy ex-captain?
#23 Posted by Kulharee on November 28, 2005 7:06:03 am
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#22 Posted by sadna on November 28, 2005 5:28:09 am
Zeena
Are you denying what he says on TV ? Not very convincing.
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Now if it had been Hindus slitting throats or burning down girls`s schools as the Taliban does regularly, and a famous Indian personality vocally supporting them in such `jihad` was raising funds in the US - forget about contributing, the so-called liberals who attended Imran`s gathering would be orchestrating a big song and dance of outrage.
This sort of blatant double standard has done no good to the cause of anything liberal.
Are you denying what he says on TV ? Not very convincing.
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Now if it had been Hindus slitting throats or burning down girls`s schools as the Taliban does regularly, and a famous Indian personality vocally supporting them in such `jihad` was raising funds in the US - forget about contributing, the so-called liberals who attended Imran`s gathering would be orchestrating a big song and dance of outrage.
This sort of blatant double standard has done no good to the cause of anything liberal.
#21 Posted by Zeena on November 27, 2005 10:17:36 pm
sadna
You are welcome to have your comments for Taliban. I do not support them at all. But, Imran Khan has got nothing to do with Taliban. If, you will repeat same mantra again. better save your next post. I don`t wish you to waste your precious time and words on repeating same thing again and again.
But, Imran Khan has no connection with any jihadis. Please, do not blame our hero for nothing. Again, Jihadis are not only muslims, they can be hindus, jews, christians or sikhs, if, they kill innocent people using their religion.
You are welcome to have your comments for Taliban. I do not support them at all. But, Imran Khan has got nothing to do with Taliban. If, you will repeat same mantra again. better save your next post. I don`t wish you to waste your precious time and words on repeating same thing again and again.
But, Imran Khan has no connection with any jihadis. Please, do not blame our hero for nothing. Again, Jihadis are not only muslims, they can be hindus, jews, christians or sikhs, if, they kill innocent people using their religion.
#20 Posted by sadna on November 27, 2005 7:52:43 pm
Zeena
Imran Khan supports the people who slit the throat of this Indian and murdered him. The Indian was working for an organisation building a major road in Afghanistan which the people whom Imran Khan supports do not want built.
Since Imran Khan supports the Taliban and their jihad in Afghanistan, very vocally and unequivocally, he also supports their killing of this Indian.
There is nothing noble about Indians who don`t care about their own countrymen being murdered and rather contribute funds to supporters of the murderers.
``Maniappan is the only son of his parents and the sole breadwinner of the family. With tears and prayers, the family was hoping against hope to hear good news, a relative said.
The slaughtered body of 36-year-old Kutty, a driver with Border Roads Organisation, was found dumped by the roadside in Delaram district of Nimroze Province, Governor of Khashroad Mohd Hashim Noorzai, was quoted as saying by international news agencies in Kandahar.
``He has been slaughtered. His throat has been cut,`` he said.
Taliban on Tuesday evening called up news agencies in Kandahar to say they have killed Kutty, who was abducted on Saturday as the BRO did not comply with its demand to pull out of Afghanistan. ``
http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/nov/23mani.htm
Imran Khan supports the people who slit the throat of this Indian and murdered him. The Indian was working for an organisation building a major road in Afghanistan which the people whom Imran Khan supports do not want built.
Since Imran Khan supports the Taliban and their jihad in Afghanistan, very vocally and unequivocally, he also supports their killing of this Indian.
There is nothing noble about Indians who don`t care about their own countrymen being murdered and rather contribute funds to supporters of the murderers.
``Maniappan is the only son of his parents and the sole breadwinner of the family. With tears and prayers, the family was hoping against hope to hear good news, a relative said.
The slaughtered body of 36-year-old Kutty, a driver with Border Roads Organisation, was found dumped by the roadside in Delaram district of Nimroze Province, Governor of Khashroad Mohd Hashim Noorzai, was quoted as saying by international news agencies in Kandahar.
``He has been slaughtered. His throat has been cut,`` he said.
Taliban on Tuesday evening called up news agencies in Kandahar to say they have killed Kutty, who was abducted on Saturday as the BRO did not comply with its demand to pull out of Afghanistan. ``
http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/nov/23mani.htm
#19 Posted by anil on November 27, 2005 12:20:09 am
Farzana:
I would like to take you out for a lunch. Please call me at (408) 644-7495, and let me know where I can contact you.
Anil
I would like to take you out for a lunch. Please call me at (408) 644-7495, and let me know where I can contact you.
Anil
#18 Posted by Zeena on November 26, 2005 10:41:55 pm
#15 Farzana Versey
{{{PS: Imran using his fingers to eat is memorable because it was an anachronism in that gathering and in that one moment he asserted an identity. (Anyway, I balk at the thought of using a knife and fork with naan.) }}}}}}
Miss FV
Well, Imran has been MEMORABLE internationally way, before anyone could even think about it. Mr.Imran Khan is memorable as a cricket legend. Imran Khan is memorable legend as a social worker, who gave a new meaning to compassion with poors and needy by building Cancer hospital. Imran Khan is memorable legend in helping earthquake victims.
Our prophet Mohammad(PBUH) used to eat with his fingers , he(PBUh) was the most humble and well mannered person on this earth. I love to eat with my fingers, rather using forks and spoons. I will rather quote this way,``Imran using his fingers to eat makes him more gentle, humble and proper with excellent mannerisms, which means he follows Peophet(PBuh)`s ways. Imran Khan doesn`t need any new identity or recognition from any one, this great legend is already recognised and identified to an extent, where people can`t even think to reach. God has already given him much recognition. Imran has already reached his pinnacle of identity, where no one of us has ever gone or will ever go.......
So, if, Imran would have been using forks and spoons, that would have made him proper and you wouldn`t have pointed out or wouldn`t raise a finger. So, all poor and simple Asian people, who use their fingers to eat , are not proper or anachronism to the current times............
#17 sadna
sadna jii
Mind it, do not label earthquake victims as jihadis. Jihadis are Arabs. These earthquake victims are just simple and innocent people, who have suffered a lot. Imran Khan is not jihadi as well. God knows, why your prejudice makes you restless to an extreme that you have started calling, all noble Paki men Jihadis.
In my dictionary, Jihadi means a person from any religion who goes to an extreme to kill other innocent people, so, jihadi can be hindu/muslim/christian/jew or anyone..........So, exercise care in using your words for a good and noble cause. Thanks
{{{PS: Imran using his fingers to eat is memorable because it was an anachronism in that gathering and in that one moment he asserted an identity. (Anyway, I balk at the thought of using a knife and fork with naan.) }}}}}}
Miss FV
Well, Imran has been MEMORABLE internationally way, before anyone could even think about it. Mr.Imran Khan is memorable as a cricket legend. Imran Khan is memorable legend as a social worker, who gave a new meaning to compassion with poors and needy by building Cancer hospital. Imran Khan is memorable legend in helping earthquake victims.
Our prophet Mohammad(PBUH) used to eat with his fingers , he(PBUh) was the most humble and well mannered person on this earth. I love to eat with my fingers, rather using forks and spoons. I will rather quote this way,``Imran using his fingers to eat makes him more gentle, humble and proper with excellent mannerisms, which means he follows Peophet(PBuh)`s ways. Imran Khan doesn`t need any new identity or recognition from any one, this great legend is already recognised and identified to an extent, where people can`t even think to reach. God has already given him much recognition. Imran has already reached his pinnacle of identity, where no one of us has ever gone or will ever go.......
So, if, Imran would have been using forks and spoons, that would have made him proper and you wouldn`t have pointed out or wouldn`t raise a finger. So, all poor and simple Asian people, who use their fingers to eat , are not proper or anachronism to the current times............
#17 sadna
sadna jii
Mind it, do not label earthquake victims as jihadis. Jihadis are Arabs. These earthquake victims are just simple and innocent people, who have suffered a lot. Imran Khan is not jihadi as well. God knows, why your prejudice makes you restless to an extreme that you have started calling, all noble Paki men Jihadis.
In my dictionary, Jihadi means a person from any religion who goes to an extreme to kill other innocent people, so, jihadi can be hindu/muslim/christian/jew or anyone..........So, exercise care in using your words for a good and noble cause. Thanks
#17 Posted by sadna on November 26, 2005 2:44:32 pm
Imran Khan believes in jihad in Afghanistan and Kashmir I have heard him say so often on TV. There is no guarantee this money will not go to a jihadi tanzeem which kills Indians or Afghans.
If the ``Indians`` there were prepared to be careless enough to fund the deaths of their own countrymen, what the heck is so noble about that?
If the ``Indians`` there were prepared to be careless enough to fund the deaths of their own countrymen, what the heck is so noble about that?
#16 Posted by hassansiddiqi on November 26, 2005 1:49:51 pm
Imran is a true leader in my opinion. He may not be the best politician (he is too idealistic to be a successful one anyway) but his intentions are quite positive. His efforts to raise funds for the earthquake are not surprising, given his record of social work.
It`s sad that he wasn`t able to raise a million dollars from a community that probably paid more to the US govt. in taxes but kudos to him for at least making the issue heard.
Yes, there are problems in Pakistan, like Northern Areas not allowing Indians in their state but this is their particular law, not the law of Pakistan in general. Moreover, the need of the hour is donations instead of people lining up to go to the affected areas.
Thanks for covering the event Farzana.
It`s sad that he wasn`t able to raise a million dollars from a community that probably paid more to the US govt. in taxes but kudos to him for at least making the issue heard.
Yes, there are problems in Pakistan, like Northern Areas not allowing Indians in their state but this is their particular law, not the law of Pakistan in general. Moreover, the need of the hour is donations instead of people lining up to go to the affected areas.
Thanks for covering the event Farzana.
#15 Posted by FarzanaVersey on November 26, 2005 11:11:08 am
A reply since this is a sensitive subject:
Being a distant observer is as good a way of observing as any. I was indeed the outsider looking in, which is why I could ask questions that go beyond this one fund-raiser. I have been a `participant` as well, and the three points I noted in the beginning would apply to me as anyone else, at least to a degree.
I am sure Imran is doing a lot of good work and I wish he were `used` more effectively.
And, yes, the ``conspiracy of silence`` and ``ongoing tragedy`` are issues that need to be examined.
PS: Imran using his fingers to eat is memorable because it was an anachronism in that gathering and in that one moment he asserted an identity. (Anyway, I balk at the thought of using a knife and fork with naan.)
PPS: I was there, but ``being seen`` was not on the agenda!
Being a distant observer is as good a way of observing as any. I was indeed the outsider looking in, which is why I could ask questions that go beyond this one fund-raiser. I have been a `participant` as well, and the three points I noted in the beginning would apply to me as anyone else, at least to a degree.
I am sure Imran is doing a lot of good work and I wish he were `used` more effectively.
And, yes, the ``conspiracy of silence`` and ``ongoing tragedy`` are issues that need to be examined.
PS: Imran using his fingers to eat is memorable because it was an anachronism in that gathering and in that one moment he asserted an identity. (Anyway, I balk at the thought of using a knife and fork with naan.)
PPS: I was there, but ``being seen`` was not on the agenda!
#14 Posted by arjun_m on November 26, 2005 10:16:29 am
Farzana Versey on suicide watch already now that Laloo is out of power?
#13 Posted by Ras on November 26, 2005 9:50:29 am
Hi FV,
There is nothing wrong with Kebab grease as long as that is not all that you
remember out of this fundraiser.
And as to your not being (visually?) overwhelmed by IK, all I can say is that we Pakistanis
believe that he makes us look good on the front page of any newspaper or magazine.
His intellect and grasp of political realities needs improvement. In that department
he could learn a great deal from BB and not from Qazi Hussain Ahmed.
FV, you wrote this piece as a distant observer that missed a great deal.
Maybe publishing that photograph you mentioned would help readers believe that you were
really there!
Anyway, kidding aside, we hope to see more such writing from you here on CHOWK.
To me your following observation needed a lot more elaboration:
``What made an impact on me was the space Indians and Pakistanis shared and the admiration the latter expressed for some of the big Indian names present there.``
This fundraiser has raised a lot more than funds. It raised the possibility of a revival of
the good old days when Pakistanis and Indians here in America could show a collective care
that did not have to take into consideration any Line Of Control.
Regards
Ras H. Siddiqui
(PS: My Report will be in the Pakistan Link Community section on Friday December 2nd)
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