Did Imran get the money?

Zeena
A few thousand Indians die every year from Muslim extremism originating in Pakistan. Perhaps if Hindus killed as many Muslims in Pakistan every year, Pakistanis would do something about their jihad policy. As it is Pakistanis are hated by Afghans, now they are trying their best to be hated by Indians as well. Your choice.

#56
sadna
Earlier I used to think that Pakistani `liberals` said what they said and did what they did because they were inadequately informed about Hindu fanatics/Hindu extremists/Hindu fascists/Indian establishment complicity in fomenting the violent ideology, the massacres and the systematic undermining of human rights and pluralism via HINDU extremism which infests Indians in general and Indian youth in particular....

It has been dawning on me for a while that Pakistani `liberals` are not in fact inadequately informed, they know exactly what they are doing when they refuse to be stand and counted against these depradations and threats to pluralism from HINDU extremism.

They also seem to assume that common public reading of bomb blasts, targetting killings and innocent muslims in HINDU extremists regions being shot dead, will continue to stupid enough to accept their mishmash of cynical posturings as the definitive `liberalism` and `secularism`. I think that assumption is thoroughly dated now.

Farzana Sahiba:

I believe that you were not guided properly by Imran. Even though you are Bombayan, Pakistani authorities would have allowed you to go to Kashmir and the NWFP.

And you know why they would have let you do that.

Imran Khan will participate in elections from NWFP next time and win huge.

Imran Khan has two qualities that are severely lacking in affluent Pakistanis, including nearly everyone on Chowk: 1. conviction 2. walking the talk and the walk

He has the one quality that is severely lacking in Pakistani politicians 1. honesty

I am a huge admirer of anyone who has the above three qualities. Regardless of how religious or secular or competent or incompetent they maybe. Or whether their political views agree with mine or not. Political conviction, more than political success, is what is needed in Pakistan............

arjun_m
Earlier I used to think that Indian `liberals` said what they said and did what they did because they were inadequately informed about Taliban/AlQaeda/Pakistani establishment complicity in fomenting the violent ideology, the massacres and the systematic undermining of human rights and pluralism via Muslim extremism which infests J&K, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

It has been dawning on me for a while that Indian `liberals` are not in fact inadequately informed, they know exactly what they are doing when they refuse to be stand and counted against these depradations and threats to pluralism from Muslim extremism.

They also seem to assume that aam janata reading of bomb blasts, targetting killings and elected village chiefs in J&K being shot dead, will continue to stupid enough to accept their mishmash of cynical posturings as the definitive `liberalism` and `secularism`. I think that assumption is thoroughly dated now.

arjun_m
If, you are hindu jihadi, why don`t you strap a SUICIDE BOMB around yourself and blow Pakistan and , talibans and Kashmiris. Typing C&P against Pakistanis on each and every thread will not take you far. No one listens to your irrelevant mantra.

Now, again, stick to the topic or open another thread of hatred against Pakistanis or Talibans. Nobody will pay attention. Thanks.

Don`t take advantage of chowk.com , if, chowk staff gives you privileges to let you post your hatred C&P.......Thanks

#52 by Zeena on November 30, 2005 6:10pm PT


All your inflammatory posts towards Pakistani`s hatred


Yup...I`m a hateful person...I made up all that stuff about Pakistan supporting the taliban, a majority of Pakis supporting OBL, pakis(or Pakiland) being involved in almost every act of terrorism, pakis supporting islamic terrorists like the LeT and JeM(both designated terrorist orgs by the US)...

For pakis, the facts are hateful..

I mistype in #52
arjun_m
If, you are hindu jihadi, why don`t you strap a SUICIDE BOMB around yourself and blow Pakistan and , talibans and Kashmiris. Typing C&P against Pakistanis on each and every thread will not take you far. No one listens to your irrelevant mantra.

Now, again, stick to the topic or open another thread of hatred against Pakistanis or Talibans. Nobody will pay attention. Thanks.

Don`t take advantage of chowk.com , if, chowk staff gives you privileges to let you post your hatred C&P.......Thanks

arjun_m
Your biasedness towards all of muslims is not hidden. You are worst than talibans. You are JIHADI on chowk. All your inflammatory posts towards Pakistani`s hatred is a clear reflection of your coward mind, who thinks nothing,but, harrassing all of us by your personal attacks on all of us. Enough of your IRRELEVANT attacks on all Pakistanis.

If, you are JIHADI, why don`t you strap A SUICIDE around yourself and go to Pakistan or Kashmir to blow yourself, this way your revenge against Kashmiris and Talibans will be well supported. You will die serving a good cause. You will be martyr.

Now, please, keep your jihadi self out of this thread. This editorial and Miss farzana Versey has got nothing to do with Talibans or your hatred. Chowk is not a suitable site for you. Just by sitting behind computer and typing C&P against Pakistanis will not serve your great cause. No one is listening to your mantra.

I know, you are HINDU JIHADI, you should committ suicide bombing and backup your jihadi agenda.

Now, please, stick to the topic. Thanks

The topic is a taliban-supporter: Imran Khan..

Of course, Farzana`s Islamist leanings and pro-taliban sentiments are well known..She`s already told us how it was ok for the taliban to blow up the bamiyan buddhas because there are no muslims in Afghanistan..

Re: # 49

OK Zeena Ji, we hear you loud and clear.

It looks like some chowkies do not wish to discuss the actual topic. They are discussing totally IRRELEVANT stuff. I appeal to all, please stick to the topic. If, some of you wish to discus about Talibans. I am ready to discuss about them in a separate thread. Thanks

kulharee
This is not the topic about Talibans. Thanks

Re: # 45

>>>>The dictionary definition of fascism describes what Taliban stands for.<<<<

Sadna Ji, I completely disagree. Referring to Taliban as fascist is an insult to Taliban. These guys make fascist look like whirling dervishes. Taliban is the scum of the earth that could only be described in one word: Satanic Cult. They put Ku Kulx Kaln to shame. They are worse than animals and their ideology is a real threat to the world. It must be eliminated before it kills us all. They should be sent to live with their financiers (Saudis, etc.).

Having said that, I don’t blame them one bit. When you start brainwashing a kid as soon as he is popped out of the birthing canal, that’s what you get. These guys were created by the cult affectionately known as Towel-heads.

#45 sadna
I request you to stick to the topic.
You are twisting the whole topic in an irrevelant fascism. Thanks for understanding.

I don`t see any logic in repeating same mantra again and again in a pointless direction. I am not Kashmiri, I am not Afghani. I am Pakistani, I am discussing this topic related to Imran Khan and earthquake fund raising dinner. You are gone mad in your fascism to an extreme. All you see is jihadis night mares or night terrors day and night. And, you are relating all topics with jihadis.

sadn jii
You are derailing the whole topic. On behalf of chowk, I beg you to stick to the topic or stop your obsession about Kashmiris or Afghanis. Thanks

Zakkk #43
1. The circumstance under which Taliban first came to power doesn`t change the implications of its core ideology in other words how and why it came to power does not change what Taliban stood for then and what it stands for now. The dictionary definition of fascism describes what Taliban stands for.

2. And the Taliban was brought into power by a democratic regime of Pakistan if you really want to nitpick. The Taliban got their ideology in the madrassas in the free society of Pakistan, an ideology still being preached and in operation(which is what Imran Khan supports).

The free societies of the US and Pakistan helped contribute to conditions(by their unquestioning support to Hekmatyar for one) which prolonged civil war and provided the battle fatigue which welcomed the Taliban.

The Taliban then could prevail over its rivals because it had the support of the Pakistani government, Army and ordinary Pakistanis fighting among its ranks. It perpetuated major sectarian massacres on Afghan civilians on multiple occasions but neither the Taliban, nor Taliban`s backers in the free societies of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia admit to those massacres even today.

The essential ideology of Taliban, its practices and the implications for individual and human rights are just not discussed in these free societies - there is a conspiracy of silence about those aspects though there is lipservice given to freedom of expression and human rights in Pakistan at least and the backers of the Taliban sit in high places in Pakistan. Sounds very much like latent or crypto- fascism to me.

Indians have to draw the line on this irrespective the fact that Pakistanis as individuals and as a society refuse to do.

#43 by Zakkk
I second Zakkk for his post.

sadna bibi

Again, you are mixing this editorial`s exact topic with Kashmiris and Afghanis. They are two totally different topics. If, you are desperate to discuss those two topics. My suggestion for you is to open two threads separately by the name of Kashmiris struggle and Afghanis struggle. Believe me, I will be more than happy to discuss all the details with you about those two topics.

Your mantra is irrevelant regarding above two topics to the current topic. I do not want to twist this editorial in to a totally different topic. So, I request you again and again to stick to the topic. I request you to come out of your obsession about Kashmiris and Afghanis causes.

This topic is about earthquake victims and Imran Khan`s fundraising dinner. This is got nothing to do with Kashmiris struggle or freedom fighting or Afghanis struggle.

All I am saying is Imran Khan was/is/will be our national as well as international hero, no matter , what you say.

PS:-Sun will shine, no matter you hide it with your palm. If, you can`t bear bright sun`s light, close your eyes or wear dark glasses. Ultraviolet rays can be damaging for your eyes and skin. Thanks

sadna: you left out one key component of fascism..it is usually the product of a democratic society..the Taliban don`t exactly fit the bill..people often forget that most people including the present President of Afghanistan supported the Taliban at the time..considering the war lords had gone wild at the time people would have supported any group which wielded some writ..so looking at the situation in such one dimensional terms does not really advance an argument.

Imran Khan is a flawed individual..more so then most..but he is better than quite a few as well.

Zeena

The dictionary definition of fascism www.m-w.com

1 a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

That nicely describes the Taliban and Imran Khan supports them.

Notice the last phrase in the above -
``forcible suppression of opposition``.

That nicely describes the core philosophy of jihadi tanzeems and Imran Khan supports them.

The killing of the Indian by Taliban was an attempt to forcibly suppress any opposition to the Taliban, in that case via the building of a road.

For you or anyone else to demand that no one must talk about Imran Khan`s support of Taliban`s attempts to forcibly suppress opposition is nothing but your own support for fascism.

I am sure Indians can find other avenues to donate money and help in Pakistani earthquake relief without funding supporters of the Taliban and jihadi tanzeems(who btw are very active in providing earthquake relief).

If Imran Khan believes in taking a stance in favor of jihad in India and Afghanistan, then he and his supporters should expect there will be Indians who believe in taking a firm stance against jihad in India and Afghanistan.

Unless of course he and his supporters think like jihadis do, that Indians donot have any right to take a stance against jihad in India and Afghanistan, in which case what he and his supporters are practising is pure fascism.

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sadna jii
My whole point of discussion was Imran Khan`s help for earthquake victims. You are the one , who twisted this absolutely different topic in to fascism by changing it in to calling Kashimiris and Afghanis support and by showing your obsession for all Pakis to accuse them of being jihadis.

If, you want to discuss Kashimirs cause, that is a totally different topic. Same is with Afghanis, is another topic Be my guest. Please, do not mix up current topic with other two.

Kashmiris are struggling for their own cause. their cause and movement is totally different than Afghanis.

I sugggest you to write two articles on each of them and be my guest , I will love to discuss as much as you wish to . But, now, stick to curretn topic.

sadna
{{hypocrisy about extremism}}}}

So, every person, if claims to be a good Muslim/christian/jew/hindu is extremist???

Well, in my point of view, I do not call anyone extremist, unless anyone`s beliefs are harming humans ......

Rather, I respect all good religion practising humans with disciplined lives.

On, one hand you claim to be liberal, not fascist, and on other hands calling all muslims extremists with hatred..........clearly shows, who is hypocrite and who is fascist or in other words, who is JIHADI???

I need to remind you. Jihadi , in my dictionary is ,``anyone either hindu or christian, jew or muslim committing crime of judging others as extremists or degrading others honourable cause, like you did for Imran Khan`s good cause.``````

sadna
I am calling you fascist sameway as you are repeatedly calling Paki hero Imran Khan, a jihadi or jihadi supporter. You are abusing him, you are disrespecting his great cause. Typing few words of English behind comp, is as easy as ABCs. But, fighting for a great cause in the real world is another struggle, that very few of us even can think of.

You accuse Imran Khan for his great deed, with your fascist attitude, and then abusing me with these stupid words. You are committing double crime of abusing me and abusing Imran Khan`s pure and sincere efforts.

I am sure you came from a good background,b/c hinduism doesn`t teach FASCISM. I have studied Geeta, which is indeed a great holy book to learn more about respecting other humans rights with equal thoughtfullness that you pay to your own rights., But, seeing your posts , I am sorry to say, Hinduism doesn`t reflect where you`re coming from. Go, read Geeta and I am sure you will find the answer to my concern and you will know where I am coming from.

sadna dear
I am repeating same thing again. You are wellcome to discuss all matters with me, but, with out dragging eachother to abusive attitudes. Exercise care in using abusive words. Thanks.
Better stick to the topic.

sadna dear
{{{so, butt out of it}}}}[-X[-X

sadna jii
I expect normalcy in all sorts of discussions , with out getting low to use such abusive words. So, my request for your highness is to discuss with dignity. Thanks

Now, come to the point..........
sadna jii
You are Indian. Good. You have the right to protect India in all the ways. Good. You love India. Good.
All your qualities are Good. But, condemning Pakistani hero in a derogatory way is absolutely NOT Good.[-X

Same way I have the right to protect Paki Hero , if someone blames him with NO reason, but, out of shear FASCISM .
Fascism is the thing of past. This is global world. This is the globalization era. So, better for us to stay out of it. We should change our glasses of fascism and start wearing clear glasses of genuine globalisation. So,take part in helping your neighbours in need. Thanks

Talking of a Indian killed by Taliban and of Imran Khan`s support of that sort of jihad by Taliban is fascist according to you. Why is your definition of fascism my problem or any Indian`s problem, Zeena?

That Indian got killed by Paki Army stooges irrespective of whether there were Indians being called fascist or pacifist by Pakis or whether Indians were contributing to earthquake relief or not.

If Indians contribute to future deaths of Indians by funding Taliban supporters like Imran Khan, other Indians will ask why and what you Pakis think of us is wholly irrelevant to the matter. So butt out of it.

sadna #28
sadna dear
When natural disasters of such high magnitude occur, any where in the world, regardless of region or religion , all humans are obligated to stand up to help rescue victims by any possible way.

At that point , we become one, with out any fascism. Earth is one homeland for all humans, which all of us share . So, by sharing same planet, all of us are inter related with each other.

Esp. when two countries are located next to each other, this becomes more than obligation. But, only if we see it with out any fascism. Thanks

#31
Have a good lunch. :)

Re: # 30

Sadna, absolutely. Imran and his likes will be nowhere to be seen during the Sunni-Shai Sunni-Ahmai Sunni-Christian violence. They are chickentshyt and afraid to speak up against the thugs of their own kind, meanwhile America provides an easy blame displacement target. Have you ever seen Imran speak up against the terrorists or murderers of minorities? Ironically, I am meeting with his sister for lunch tomorrow, I will ask her… However, she is different and is a lovely girl.

Those so-called liberals who refuse to stand up and be counted on horrific depradations by extremist Muslims will have more credibility when they call their creed by its real name `anti-Americanism` and stop pretending that they subscribe to universal values of any kind.

Will the Real Imran Please Stand Up

Imran used his solitary vote in parliament in Rehman`s favour, forwarding the argument that the MMA is the only political force that is independent and does not take dictation from abroad. He maintained that he found himself ideologically and politically close to the MMA, which denounces President Pervez Musharraf`s support to the international coalition in the war against terrorism, especially in neighbouring Afghanistan.

``Khan has more than a soft corner for the ousted Afghan Taliban,`` a senior leader of his party said on the condition of anonymity. ``He thinks that the orthodox religious militia did a great service to Afghanistan and Islam before they became a target of the Americans.``

Zeenaji
I am not trying to convince you nor have I said anything about whether Pakistanis should or should not support him. It is the Indians that I talked about. Excuse me I have the right to speak to Indians about his support for those who kill Indians.

sadna jii
I am not denying you. May be Imran said some words in their favour. But, just to have more supporters. I admit, he is hypocrite in some issues. But, again, it doean`t mean , he is not worth of our respect for what he has done and is still doing for Pakistan and of course it is for the good cause.

Imran is a practical man, not just wordy. He did, what he promised. He is strong willed leader. I wish him , all the best and I wish him PM ship of Pakistan. Yes, Pakistan needs leaders like him to guide , already misguided Pakis.

He has earned this respect after serving Pakistani people through out his life, be it Paki cricket team captain, or helping cancer victims by his charity hospital, or helping earthquake victims. Mind it I am not trying to convince you. I hate to convince people to try my best to make them agreeable to my opinion or to my point of view. If, everything will be alike, then where would be beauty??

You have the right to reserve your opinion about HIM,but, I have the right to reserve my BELIEF upon HIM...................You go with your opinion, I will trust my BELIEF...............Thanks

#25, kulharee {``Swinging a bat doesn’t make one a man.``}

Dear Axe Bhai,
Now, come on :) Did you really want to say that? I thought that was the distinguishing feature.

On a more serious note, I agree with what you said about Punju landlords.

Re: # 24

Salim Bhai… He comes from a village only a stone’s throw away from mine. He has done zilch to lift his people from misery and underdevelopment. He, as the other elite of that region, i.e., the Jerks of Kala Bagh have done zilch for the people of that region. Swinging a bat doesn’t make one a man. It takes a lot more than that. He is your typical Punjabi zamindar moron who thinks that he is a God’s gift to the world. He has lived a very sheltered life and he doesn’t have a clue about the real world. He might have been a good athlete, but he only represents elitist mindset of Punjab and is certainly not a representative of an average Pakistani.

Kulharee #23, LOL
Dear Axeman,
Other than that how do you feel about the holy ex-captain?

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Zeena
Are you denying what he says on TV ? Not very convincing.

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Now if it had been Hindus slitting throats or burning down girls`s schools as the Taliban does regularly, and a famous Indian personality vocally supporting them in such `jihad` was raising funds in the US - forget about contributing, the so-called liberals who attended Imran`s gathering would be orchestrating a big song and dance of outrage.

This sort of blatant double standard has done no good to the cause of anything liberal.

sadna
You are welcome to have your comments for Taliban. I do not support them at all. But, Imran Khan has got nothing to do with Taliban. If, you will repeat same mantra again. better save your next post. I don`t wish you to waste your precious time and words on repeating same thing again and again.

But, Imran Khan has no connection with any jihadis. Please, do not blame our hero for nothing. Again, Jihadis are not only muslims, they can be hindus, jews, christians or sikhs, if, they kill innocent people using their religion.

Zeena
Imran Khan supports the people who slit the throat of this Indian and murdered him. The Indian was working for an organisation building a major road in Afghanistan which the people whom Imran Khan supports do not want built.

Since Imran Khan supports the Taliban and their jihad in Afghanistan, very vocally and unequivocally, he also supports their killing of this Indian.

There is nothing noble about Indians who don`t care about their own countrymen being murdered and rather contribute funds to supporters of the murderers.


``Maniappan is the only son of his parents and the sole breadwinner of the family. With tears and prayers, the family was hoping against hope to hear good news, a relative said.

The slaughtered body of 36-year-old Kutty, a driver with Border Roads Organisation, was found dumped by the roadside in Delaram district of Nimroze Province, Governor of Khashroad Mohd Hashim Noorzai, was quoted as saying by international news agencies in Kandahar.

``He has been slaughtered. His throat has been cut,`` he said.

Taliban on Tuesday evening called up news agencies in Kandahar to say they have killed Kutty, who was abducted on Saturday as the BRO did not comply with its demand to pull out of Afghanistan. ``

http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/nov/23mani.htm

Farzana:

I would like to take you out for a lunch. Please call me at (408) 644-7495, and let me know where I can contact you.

Anil

#15 Farzana Versey
{{{PS: Imran using his fingers to eat is memorable because it was an anachronism in that gathering and in that one moment he asserted an identity. (Anyway, I balk at the thought of using a knife and fork with naan.) }}}}}}

Miss FV
Well, Imran has been MEMORABLE internationally way, before anyone could even think about it. Mr.Imran Khan is memorable as a cricket legend. Imran Khan is memorable legend as a social worker, who gave a new meaning to compassion with poors and needy by building Cancer hospital. Imran Khan is memorable legend in helping earthquake victims.
Our prophet Mohammad(PBUH) used to eat with his fingers , he(PBUh) was the most humble and well mannered person on this earth. I love to eat with my fingers, rather using forks and spoons. I will rather quote this way,``Imran using his fingers to eat makes him more gentle, humble and proper with excellent mannerisms, which means he follows Peophet(PBuh)`s ways. Imran Khan doesn`t need any new identity or recognition from any one, this great legend is already recognised and identified to an extent, where people can`t even think to reach. God has already given him much recognition. Imran has already reached his pinnacle of identity, where no one of us has ever gone or will ever go.......

So, if, Imran would have been using forks and spoons, that would have made him proper and you wouldn`t have pointed out or wouldn`t raise a finger. So, all poor and simple Asian people, who use their fingers to eat , are not proper or anachronism to the current times............


#17 sadna
sadna jii
Mind it, do not label earthquake victims as jihadis. Jihadis are Arabs. These earthquake victims are just simple and innocent people, who have suffered a lot. Imran Khan is not jihadi as well. God knows, why your prejudice makes you restless to an extreme that you have started calling, all noble Paki men Jihadis.

In my dictionary, Jihadi means a person from any religion who goes to an extreme to kill other innocent people, so, jihadi can be hindu/muslim/christian/jew or anyone..........So, exercise care in using your words for a good and noble cause. Thanks

Imran Khan believes in jihad in Afghanistan and Kashmir I have heard him say so often on TV. There is no guarantee this money will not go to a jihadi tanzeem which kills Indians or Afghans.

If the ``Indians`` there were prepared to be careless enough to fund the deaths of their own countrymen, what the heck is so noble about that?

Imran is a true leader in my opinion. He may not be the best politician (he is too idealistic to be a successful one anyway) but his intentions are quite positive. His efforts to raise funds for the earthquake are not surprising, given his record of social work.

It`s sad that he wasn`t able to raise a million dollars from a community that probably paid more to the US govt. in taxes but kudos to him for at least making the issue heard.

Yes, there are problems in Pakistan, like Northern Areas not allowing Indians in their state but this is their particular law, not the law of Pakistan in general. Moreover, the need of the hour is donations instead of people lining up to go to the affected areas.

Thanks for covering the event Farzana.

A reply since this is a sensitive subject:

Being a distant observer is as good a way of observing as any. I was indeed the outsider looking in, which is why I could ask questions that go beyond this one fund-raiser. I have been a `participant` as well, and the three points I noted in the beginning would apply to me as anyone else, at least to a degree.

I am sure Imran is doing a lot of good work and I wish he were `used` more effectively.

And, yes, the ``conspiracy of silence`` and ``ongoing tragedy`` are issues that need to be examined.

PS: Imran using his fingers to eat is memorable because it was an anachronism in that gathering and in that one moment he asserted an identity. (Anyway, I balk at the thought of using a knife and fork with naan.)

PPS: I was there, but ``being seen`` was not on the agenda!

Farzana Versey on suicide watch already now that Laloo is out of power?

Hi FV,

There is nothing wrong with Kebab grease as long as that is not all that you

remember out of this fundraiser.

And as to your not being (visually?) overwhelmed by IK, all I can say is that we Pakistanis

believe that he makes us look good on the front page of any newspaper or magazine.

His intellect and grasp of political realities needs improvement. In that department

he could learn a great deal from BB and not from Qazi Hussain Ahmed.

FV, you wrote this piece as a distant observer that missed a great deal.

Maybe publishing that photograph you mentioned would help readers believe that you were

really there!

Anyway, kidding aside, we hope to see more such writing from you here on CHOWK.

To me your following observation needed a lot more elaboration:

``What made an impact on me was the space Indians and Pakistanis shared and the admiration the latter expressed for some of the big Indian names present there.``

This fundraiser has raised a lot more than funds. It raised the possibility of a revival of

the good old days when Pakistanis and Indians here in America could show a collective care

that did not have to take into consideration any Line Of Control.


Regards

Ras H. Siddiqui

(PS: My Report will be in the Pakistan Link Community section on Friday December 2nd)

if this is supposed to be an editorial then surely FV should know that editorials are not signed -- its understood that they are on behalf of the editor

Imran`s heart is in the right place.

All he needs is a good PR company to help him learn how to communicate. He comes off as too simple minded.

Regardless of what one thinks of Imran as a person or a politician..he has done a lot of positive work during the post quake period. Most of it was low key initially and I remember him appearing on Geo TV looking absolutely exhausted right after coming back..

Only if Pakistani-Americans could attach some conditions with their donations – i.e, telling the dictatorship that we will only send help if he sits down with India to resolve the Kashmir issue once for all. These poor Kashmiris have experienced enough misery for the past 60 years that the earthquake seems pale in comparison. There are brother and sisters and families on either side of the border who don’t know if their loved ones are dead or alive (even before the earthquake). The LOC should be all around one Kashmir to keep the Pakis and the Indians out.

If Imran got money, then more less he got short end of stick. Huge Granth have both Divine and Jemimah. Man has the pancake and the syrup - just waiting for scrambled eggs now.

Confronting someone is a serious responcibility. Exercise it carefully, and always beware of judging.

Your Word instructs us not to judge;
So, Lord, we humbly pray,
``Restrain our lips when we should speak
And things we should not say.``

Farzana Versey
We, humans judge other humans with our own narrowminded judgemental eye glasses with out thinking , others can judge us the same way. Thanks

Miss Farzana Versey
Yes, good editorial, based on your own observations leading you to write to judge other people`s good intentions. For my self , If I have to choose, I will rather help all people on this earth quietly.Exactly like, give with one hand, so that other hand shouldn`t know. But, my observations are quite opposite to one of your`s. There is a thing called inspiration or motivation or if, you degrade this word, copying is the basic human nature which we can`t avoid. Some of us, if, do something good they wish to be admired and praised. In return, they do more and more. While some others just help others and wish to advertise their good deeds purely with so, called good intentions to inspire or motivate others to get involved and in this way spread their light everywhere.
Now, there are times, like earthquake in Pakistan, where I believe, no matter what your intentions are , we need money and people, rolling over to help them in any way. B/c all ways whether private, advertisements or show offs lead to help those in dire need. Go, ask them who lost their loved ones, their body parts, their homes and their dignities, ask those who don`t have anything to eat, nothing to wear, no shelter and not even clean water to drink, who are unable to combat snow storms, which has already started. Ask those who are being amputated daily and then asking others to shoot them,b/c they can`t take this life with out limbs. Ask those whose miseries are numerous and they are almost buried alive under the burden of their sadness to an extent that those unfortunate ones are even unable to feel the sadness and cry for thier lost loved ones, they don`t have the blessing of even to mourn,b/c they are numb with all these atrosities one after the other. Ask those who are still digging under rubbles in the hope of seeing their loved one`s bodies or who knows, may be, may be alive. Ask them who start their days digging and end digging with their bare hands to see some light,but, in return nothing,but, their sad echoes. Ask them who have nothing to look forward for with no memories left,b/c they lost their sanity as they were unable to take that tragedy with their sane minds(may be they are the only lucky ones)!!!!!!!!!

Imran Khan, no matter how much hypocrite this man is!!! I always respect his good deeds with the core of my heart and soul. Starting from making Pakistan`s cricket team, the world`s renouned one to building of Cancer hospital in Lahore to helping earthquake victims.
I salute his efforts for earthquake victims, I don`t care what his intentions are/were. The whole point is, the man is helping the real victims and that is the only truth I can feel and see ,in fact, when you feel extreme pain for earthquake victims, you just want to help, no matter what, where, who.......
It is samething, when you have a kid and kid gets fatal disease. You take your kid to every famous and competent physician possible, still, at the end all of them tell you, endstage disease. No cure. You don`t give up. You start going to hakeems, so,called saints or baba ujmariey type people(even if you don`t believe them),b/c , at this moment all you want is hope and help, any where, any way and any time.......................You start begging those whom you never thought worth of even one look, in your good times..........

Conclusion:-When we are in darkness, we need light, no matter it comes from Sun or Moon or stars!!!!!
Thanks

{``And our one minute of silence is not even a whole minute. As we sat there prepared for 60 seconds of remorse, we were snapped out of it in less than half the time.``}

Farzana,
So, you noticed that too? Did you really time the one-minute of silence? :)
That`s what I like about you - always interesting and never boring. This article was so relevant that many of us can easily identify with it. I like the way you bring up issues that we all are curious about, but never seem to be able to discuss.

Farzana, the awkward issue of Indians not being able to travel to Pakistani Kashmir, not even to help earthquake victims, is a direct floodlight on the idiotic nature of Indo-Pak relationship. Close enough to care about each other, but far enough to accept help from those who should be even farther away.

Thanks,

I lost respect for this man-imran khan- when he made derogatory statements about indian women and actresses.

FV:
Can you advise how to hold a ``proper`` fund raiser?
Would you show other ways of holding a ``minute`` silence. The purpose is to show solidarity and respect. What other ways can it be symbolize?

Why do we sleep through the ongoing tragedy of illiteracy, malnutrition, infanticide, child marriages, dowry deaths, honour killings, farmer suicides?
We also have our and our family to take care for? Everyone cannot be a social worker or write articles. We probably do by feeding poor (not everyday), accepting birth of daughters, not accepting dowry and respecting women. Would like the government to take care of farmers as a city dweller, dont know how to assist them or have even time for that.

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