Did Imran get the money?

Re: # 45

>>>>The dictionary definition of fascism describes what Taliban stands for.<<<<

Sadna Ji, I completely disagree. Referring to Taliban as fascist is an insult to Taliban. These guys make fascist look like whirling dervishes. Taliban is the scum of the earth that could only be described in one word: Satanic Cult. They put Ku Kulx Kaln to shame. They are worse than animals and their ideology is a real threat to the world. It must be eliminated before it kills us all. They should be sent to live with their financiers (Saudis, etc.).

Having said that, I don’t blame them one bit. When you start brainwashing a kid as soon as he is popped out of the birthing canal, that’s what you get. These guys were created by the cult affectionately known as Towel-heads.

#43 by Zakkk
I second Zakkk for his post.

sadna bibi

Again, you are mixing this editorial`s exact topic with Kashmiris and Afghanis. They are two totally different topics. If, you are desperate to discuss those two topics. My suggestion for you is to open two threads separately by the name of Kashmiris struggle and Afghanis struggle. Believe me, I will be more than happy to discuss all the details with you about those two topics.

Your mantra is irrevelant regarding above two topics to the current topic. I do not want to twist this editorial in to a totally different topic. So, I request you again and again to stick to the topic. I request you to come out of your obsession about Kashmiris and Afghanis causes.

This topic is about earthquake victims and Imran Khan`s fundraising dinner. This is got nothing to do with Kashmiris struggle or freedom fighting or Afghanis struggle.

All I am saying is Imran Khan was/is/will be our national as well as international hero, no matter , what you say.

PS:-Sun will shine, no matter you hide it with your palm. If, you can`t bear bright sun`s light, close your eyes or wear dark glasses. Ultraviolet rays can be damaging for your eyes and skin. Thanks

sadna: you left out one key component of fascism..it is usually the product of a democratic society..the Taliban don`t exactly fit the bill..people often forget that most people including the present President of Afghanistan supported the Taliban at the time..considering the war lords had gone wild at the time people would have supported any group which wielded some writ..so looking at the situation in such one dimensional terms does not really advance an argument.

Imran Khan is a flawed individual..more so then most..but he is better than quite a few as well.

Zeena

The dictionary definition of fascism www.m-w.com

1 a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

That nicely describes the Taliban and Imran Khan supports them.

Notice the last phrase in the above -
``forcible suppression of opposition``.

That nicely describes the core philosophy of jihadi tanzeems and Imran Khan supports them.

The killing of the Indian by Taliban was an attempt to forcibly suppress any opposition to the Taliban, in that case via the building of a road.

For you or anyone else to demand that no one must talk about Imran Khan`s support of Taliban`s attempts to forcibly suppress opposition is nothing but your own support for fascism.

I am sure Indians can find other avenues to donate money and help in Pakistani earthquake relief without funding supporters of the Taliban and jihadi tanzeems(who btw are very active in providing earthquake relief).

If Imran Khan believes in taking a stance in favor of jihad in India and Afghanistan, then he and his supporters should expect there will be Indians who believe in taking a firm stance against jihad in India and Afghanistan.

Unless of course he and his supporters think like jihadis do, that Indians donot have any right to take a stance against jihad in India and Afghanistan, in which case what he and his supporters are practising is pure fascism.

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sadna jii
My whole point of discussion was Imran Khan`s help for earthquake victims. You are the one , who twisted this absolutely different topic in to fascism by changing it in to calling Kashimiris and Afghanis support and by showing your obsession for all Pakis to accuse them of being jihadis.

If, you want to discuss Kashimirs cause, that is a totally different topic. Same is with Afghanis, is another topic Be my guest. Please, do not mix up current topic with other two.

Kashmiris are struggling for their own cause. their cause and movement is totally different than Afghanis.

I sugggest you to write two articles on each of them and be my guest , I will love to discuss as much as you wish to . But, now, stick to curretn topic.

sadna
{{hypocrisy about extremism}}}}

So, every person, if claims to be a good Muslim/christian/jew/hindu is extremist???

Well, in my point of view, I do not call anyone extremist, unless anyone`s beliefs are harming humans ......

Rather, I respect all good religion practising humans with disciplined lives.

On, one hand you claim to be liberal, not fascist, and on other hands calling all muslims extremists with hatred..........clearly shows, who is hypocrite and who is fascist or in other words, who is JIHADI???

I need to remind you. Jihadi , in my dictionary is ,``anyone either hindu or christian, jew or muslim committing crime of judging others as extremists or degrading others honourable cause, like you did for Imran Khan`s good cause.``````

sadna
I am calling you fascist sameway as you are repeatedly calling Paki hero Imran Khan, a jihadi or jihadi supporter. You are abusing him, you are disrespecting his great cause. Typing few words of English behind comp, is as easy as ABCs. But, fighting for a great cause in the real world is another struggle, that very few of us even can think of.

You accuse Imran Khan for his great deed, with your fascist attitude, and then abusing me with these stupid words. You are committing double crime of abusing me and abusing Imran Khan`s pure and sincere efforts.

I am sure you came from a good background,b/c hinduism doesn`t teach FASCISM. I have studied Geeta, which is indeed a great holy book to learn more about respecting other humans rights with equal thoughtfullness that you pay to your own rights., But, seeing your posts , I am sorry to say, Hinduism doesn`t reflect where you`re coming from. Go, read Geeta and I am sure you will find the answer to my concern and you will know where I am coming from.

sadna dear
I am repeating same thing again. You are wellcome to discuss all matters with me, but, with out dragging eachother to abusive attitudes. Exercise care in using abusive words. Thanks.
Better stick to the topic.

sadna dear
{{{so, butt out of it}}}}[-X[-X

sadna jii
I expect normalcy in all sorts of discussions , with out getting low to use such abusive words. So, my request for your highness is to discuss with dignity. Thanks

Now, come to the point..........
sadna jii
You are Indian. Good. You have the right to protect India in all the ways. Good. You love India. Good.
All your qualities are Good. But, condemning Pakistani hero in a derogatory way is absolutely NOT Good.[-X

Same way I have the right to protect Paki Hero , if someone blames him with NO reason, but, out of shear FASCISM .
Fascism is the thing of past. This is global world. This is the globalization era. So, better for us to stay out of it. We should change our glasses of fascism and start wearing clear glasses of genuine globalisation. So,take part in helping your neighbours in need. Thanks

Talking of a Indian killed by Taliban and of Imran Khan`s support of that sort of jihad by Taliban is fascist according to you. Why is your definition of fascism my problem or any Indian`s problem, Zeena?

That Indian got killed by Paki Army stooges irrespective of whether there were Indians being called fascist or pacifist by Pakis or whether Indians were contributing to earthquake relief or not.

If Indians contribute to future deaths of Indians by funding Taliban supporters like Imran Khan, other Indians will ask why and what you Pakis think of us is wholly irrelevant to the matter. So butt out of it.

sadna #28
sadna dear
When natural disasters of such high magnitude occur, any where in the world, regardless of region or religion , all humans are obligated to stand up to help rescue victims by any possible way.

At that point , we become one, with out any fascism. Earth is one homeland for all humans, which all of us share . So, by sharing same planet, all of us are inter related with each other.

Esp. when two countries are located next to each other, this becomes more than obligation. But, only if we see it with out any fascism. Thanks

#31
Have a good lunch. :)

Those so-called liberals who refuse to stand up and be counted on horrific depradations by extremist Muslims will have more credibility when they call their creed by its real name `anti-Americanism` and stop pretending that they subscribe to universal values of any kind.

Re: # 30

Sadna, absolutely. Imran and his likes will be nowhere to be seen during the Sunni-Shai Sunni-Ahmai Sunni-Christian violence. They are chickentshyt and afraid to speak up against the thugs of their own kind, meanwhile America provides an easy blame displacement target. Have you ever seen Imran speak up against the terrorists or murderers of minorities? Ironically, I am meeting with his sister for lunch tomorrow, I will ask her… However, she is different and is a lovely girl.

Will the Real Imran Please Stand Up

Imran used his solitary vote in parliament in Rehman`s favour, forwarding the argument that the MMA is the only political force that is independent and does not take dictation from abroad. He maintained that he found himself ideologically and politically close to the MMA, which denounces President Pervez Musharraf`s support to the international coalition in the war against terrorism, especially in neighbouring Afghanistan.

``Khan has more than a soft corner for the ousted Afghan Taliban,`` a senior leader of his party said on the condition of anonymity. ``He thinks that the orthodox religious militia did a great service to Afghanistan and Islam before they became a target of the Americans.``