Kashmir United -- A Peek into a Luton Ghetto

aslam844#104:

Your response does not fully answer the point I made. If you talk to a Pakistani taxi driver in New York or a Sikh driver in Toronto, you would find that none of them would be satisfied with their children follwoing them in their profession and would like them to get a good education and a good job. While I am not certain about the background of Pakistani taxi drivers, the Sikh taxi drivers in Toronto are generally not well-educated and have learnt only rudimentary English speaking skills. There has to be another explanation in addition to what you stated.

Re: # 9

I appreciate the fact that you appreciate my article.. will write some more jibberish when i get the chance. thank you very much.

Z

#92 by dost-mittar

``On the face of it, Mirpuris do not seem to share this passion for education.``

I will try and answer the question you raised, since you didn’t indulge in mirpuri bashing, as so many others have done here, you’ve asked a perfectly reasonable question. There are many reasons for low educational attainment amongst mirpuris, some historical, cultural etc. during maharajah’s rule in Kashmir there weren’t many educational institutes in mirpur , what little there were, they were mostly for hindus.

Someone suggested here on chowk before, if Iqbal and manto’s families had stayed in Kashmir, they would probably never have got educated, which is probably true.
Mirpuris who after ww2 came to England were mostly uneducated, that suited the brits, a docile cheap labour to work in the mills. The sons of these mill workers expected to follow their fathers into the mills, but all that changed in the 1980’s, when thatcher ordered the closure of these mills, so in that decade uk went from socialist kingdom (contradiction in terms) back to capitalism. Probably one of the first countries that is moving towards post-industrial era with hardly any manufacturing jobs left.

What became of the mill workers and their sons?

Some went back to mirpur, according to uk gov 80,000 went back mostly to retire, others set up small businesses, takeaways, taxis, and even manufacturing, while some did end up on dole and sex, drugs, and rock n roll.

The good news is a lot of the younger generation are going into higher education especially the girls.

#78, that article doesn`t require any permission, you merely had to click to enter the redirected site which is http://rationalreality.50webs.com/ghetto.htm

Once again, one name does not translate into aggregate data. For other data sources just take a glance at the Population data sheet put out by the US census bureau, look at life expectancy, infant mortality, etc as social indicators, or pick up a Human Development Report published by the UN, available free online, or check Oxfam`s Trade report- documented aggregate data

Jang:

Thanks for # 99.

Sincerely,

Peace.

Salim:

Re: # 95

Thank you sir.

You wrote, ``Good for you.``

When I first ventured abroad, my English must have been like Mirpurias. When I heard this phrase from a Gora American for the very first time, I felt very sad. I thought that when the gora said `good for you`, he actually meant it is only good for you, you idiot alien, it has nothing to do with me so go and get lost. I mean the phrase sent that message to me.

:- D

Arjun at 97:

bura naheen maan yaaaaaaar :-)

My actual take appears at post # 66.

dear ahmedzai, try this link. best luck.

http://www.tehelka.com/

#94, Pakis want to see India breakup and hopefully Bihar becomes a sovereign nation so that Pakistan can claim to be ahead of someone in South Asia. But the pertinent questions are ``Can Pakistan hold out for that long?`` and ``Will Bihar forge ahead of Pakistan, before India breaks up?``

#94 by ahmadzai on December 8, 2005 1:40pm PT

Here`s the thing...If blaming India helps brit-pakis get out of their dead-last place in the UK, by all means go ahead and blame India...

#94 by ahmadzai on December 8, 2005 1:40pm PT


1. Tehelka.com for raising their fingers at corrupt Indians. But I am afraid I will not be able to take it out against them , because I am not able to locate them ever since they exposed corruption amongst Indians.


Maybe your can blame your paki ISP...and they can blame the indian company they get the service from..because i see tehelka.com just fine...in case you didn`t know, an Indian army officer was recently convicted in the scam exposed by tehelka...

Now I`m trying to find a list of Paki army officers who were prosecuted for corruption..or a list of paki army officers who were prosecuted for the genocide in bangladesh in 71...or a list of paki army officers prosecuted for the break up of paki land in 71...or the list of paki army officers responsible for abandoning the dead bodies of paki soldiers in kargil..or the list of paki army officers prosecuted for not getting back Siachen..

I can`t find it because it doesn`t exist..


3. Iraqis for not having the WMDs that you suggested they had.


Huh? You must have me confused with someone else..

#94, ahmadzai {``All of them are busy killing each other in order to make Iraq a peaceful country. ``}

Ahmadzai, LOL
I just thought that I would compliment you on some excellent use of wit and humor. Good for you.

NOTE: The above compliment is not meant to be an endorsement of any particular political or military viewpoint. This is merely a compliment and not offered as an acknowledgement of the fallacy of the current Iraq policy. Opinions of the commentator are solely those of himself and do not constitue the views, opinions, or thoughts of his other personalities.

Arjun:

Re: # 87

No lad, we will blame:

1. Tehelka.com for raising their fingers at corrupt Indians. But I am afraid I will not be able to take it out against them , because I am not able to locate them ever since they exposed corruption amongst Indians.

2. Indian Muslims who the Fundoo Indoos said burnt Hindus at Godhra, an incident that led to the Hindus retaliation killing thousands of `terrorist` Muslims in Gujrat. However, I am not able to find those idiot Muslims too ever since the court verdict setting them free by those nincompoop Indian judges.

3. Iraqis for not having the WMDs that you suggested they had. However, I am not able to find any Iraqis too. All of them are busy killing each other in order to make Iraq a peaceful country.

#92 by dost-mittar on December 8, 2005 12:23pm PT


On the face of it, Mirpuris do not seem to share this passion for education.


Brit-Pakis make up for that by a passion for the palestine, Iraq and Kashmir issues.

Well written, but not a balanced, article.

It is true that a lot of Mirpuris are poor and may be on social benefits. But I am certain that there are also many of them who have come out of the poverty trap. It could be that the writer`s acquaintance in Luton moves around in certain circles which biased his opinion about the Pakistanis living there.

One thing about Mirpuris surprises me, though. Most desis place a high value on education and willing to make any amount of sacrifice to provide a good education to their children. On the face of it, Mirpuris do not seem to share this passion for education.

The issue is not one of assimilation, laziness, or even discrimination. The issue is self-reliance, hard work, and focus. People normally succeed in attaining their priorities, because that`s where they apply their effort and attention. Unfortunately, many (if not most) Muslims, in Europe, Middle East, Pakistan, and even the US, have for some ungodly reason, decided that growing long beards, hiding behind burkas, chanting verses in a language that you may or may not even understand, and emulating life in 7th century Arabia are the most important aspects of life. Education, careers, business, entertainment, and worldly concerns have been eclipsed by their self-destructive obsession with aniquity. Add intolerance and cruelty to this mess and you have what you have today.