Kashmir United -- A Peek into a Luton Ghetto

#94 by ahmadzai on December 8, 2005 1:40pm PT


1. Tehelka.com for raising their fingers at corrupt Indians. But I am afraid I will not be able to take it out against them , because I am not able to locate them ever since they exposed corruption amongst Indians.


Maybe your can blame your paki ISP...and they can blame the indian company they get the service from..because i see tehelka.com just fine...in case you didn`t know, an Indian army officer was recently convicted in the scam exposed by tehelka...

Now I`m trying to find a list of Paki army officers who were prosecuted for corruption..or a list of paki army officers who were prosecuted for the genocide in bangladesh in 71...or a list of paki army officers prosecuted for the break up of paki land in 71...or the list of paki army officers responsible for abandoning the dead bodies of paki soldiers in kargil..or the list of paki army officers prosecuted for not getting back Siachen..

I can`t find it because it doesn`t exist..


3. Iraqis for not having the WMDs that you suggested they had.


Huh? You must have me confused with someone else..

#94, ahmadzai {``All of them are busy killing each other in order to make Iraq a peaceful country. ``}

Ahmadzai, LOL
I just thought that I would compliment you on some excellent use of wit and humor. Good for you.

NOTE: The above compliment is not meant to be an endorsement of any particular political or military viewpoint. This is merely a compliment and not offered as an acknowledgement of the fallacy of the current Iraq policy. Opinions of the commentator are solely those of himself and do not constitue the views, opinions, or thoughts of his other personalities.

Salim:

Re: # 95

Thank you sir.

You wrote, ``Good for you.``

When I first ventured abroad, my English must have been like Mirpurias. When I heard this phrase from a Gora American for the very first time, I felt very sad. I thought that when the gora said `good for you`, he actually meant it is only good for you, you idiot alien, it has nothing to do with me so go and get lost. I mean the phrase sent that message to me.

:- D

#92 by dost-mittar on December 8, 2005 12:23pm PT


On the face of it, Mirpuris do not seem to share this passion for education.


Brit-Pakis make up for that by a passion for the palestine, Iraq and Kashmir issues.

Well written, but not a balanced, article.

It is true that a lot of Mirpuris are poor and may be on social benefits. But I am certain that there are also many of them who have come out of the poverty trap. It could be that the writer`s acquaintance in Luton moves around in certain circles which biased his opinion about the Pakistanis living there.

One thing about Mirpuris surprises me, though. Most desis place a high value on education and willing to make any amount of sacrifice to provide a good education to their children. On the face of it, Mirpuris do not seem to share this passion for education.

The issue is not one of assimilation, laziness, or even discrimination. The issue is self-reliance, hard work, and focus. People normally succeed in attaining their priorities, because that`s where they apply their effort and attention. Unfortunately, many (if not most) Muslims, in Europe, Middle East, Pakistan, and even the US, have for some ungodly reason, decided that growing long beards, hiding behind burkas, chanting verses in a language that you may or may not even understand, and emulating life in 7th century Arabia are the most important aspects of life. Education, careers, business, entertainment, and worldly concerns have been eclipsed by their self-destructive obsession with aniquity. Add intolerance and cruelty to this mess and you have what you have today.

Aslam644 you are so right.

Omar Sheikh would not have been produced by mirpuri community without the jihadi infrastructure in form of jihad training madrassas provided by the mother country, and cynically supported by the elite of pakistan.

Omar Shiekh only became ``bad`` after daniel pearl qurbani, he was considered a hero before because he was able to make the indian prime minister and foreign minister beg for an airplane load of travellers.

Had Mirpuris been from india, they would have had the respect they deserved, that of a hard-working mogrant community, trying to get a better life for their kids like the panjabi and gujju community.

aslam #88 You are quite right on both points. No doubt the mirpurias had to endure hardship in the beginning - but even back then, they did this out of choice and a ``British passport`` was (and remains) a prized item among them. Many of them worked hard and with enterprise, and that paid off as they established themselves in UK over the past 40 years. And no doubt most pakistanis in UK love england as you say - and indeed, even pakistanis not in UK appreciate in addition to the rich cultural heritage of UK, the freedom of speech, personal security, and other aspects of a civilized society they can find in UK - these include the rich and famous (or infamous) like zardari and his surrey palace, the mqm leader altaf hussain, benazir, and now the nawaz family seeking to leave saudi arabia for UK.

But clearly this is not the complete picture - after all, the lethal combination of the ``blame game`` plus ``religious intoxication`` I referred to earlier did give rise to the london underground bombers a few months ago as well as to omar sheikh. There must exist an environment that provided the above-mentioned lethal combination that gave rise to these extremists. And for every one extremist, there must be a few others raised in a similar environment who will never make the headlines, but will simply lose out on opportunities as they simmer in self-created hatreds and ignorance of the bigger picture. That is the environment that we need to be mindful of - the kind of environment that individuals like masadi (on chowk below) seek to promote with their one-sided negative diatribes against the west.

tahmed
After ww2 when mirpuris started coming to england, they came to a racist and hostile environment. worked in textile and steel mills, mostly in night shifts, very often paid less than whites, lived in overcrowded housing.

they had to for years endure the geographical break-up of their families, there was no chance of promotions or job quotas, yet for every omar shiekh there are thousands of others who still love england, YES still love england and fish n chips and sing god save the queen.

So who`re the pakis going to blame this time?
1. Racism
2. Oppression of the iraqis, kashmiris and palestinians?

Minorities break `class barrier`

Half of children from Indian working class families went into professional or managerial posts, compared with 43% of white children, it found.

But Pakistani and Bangladeshi children did worse than some white children.

Arjun:

Re: # 87

No lad, we will blame:

1. Tehelka.com for raising their fingers at corrupt Indians. But I am afraid I will not be able to take it out against them , because I am not able to locate them ever since they exposed corruption amongst Indians.

2. Indian Muslims who the Fundoo Indoos said burnt Hindus at Godhra, an incident that led to the Hindus retaliation killing thousands of `terrorist` Muslims in Gujrat. However, I am not able to find those idiot Muslims too ever since the court verdict setting them free by those nincompoop Indian judges.

3. Iraqis for not having the WMDs that you suggested they had. However, I am not able to find any Iraqis too. All of them are busy killing each other in order to make Iraq a peaceful country.

#83 by rsridhar on December 7, 2005 8:43pm PT

Pleae don`t quote from hate-sites...

As you might know, the facts hate the pakis...

re: faisaluno`s post
(the onus of integrating immigrants falls on to the majority communnity - goras in this case who have generally not done a good job of it be it uk goras or american goras. when i was in college in the u.s. it was fascinating to observe the lack of social interaction between the kulloos and the goras. most kaalas would eat together on separate tables and in fact had their own separate section in the cafeteria. and the kaalas who hung out with the goras were generally ostracised by the kaala community. also the kaalas and goras at work also did not interact much out
side work. i would imagine things are no different in the u.k.)
The onus on integrating with the majority community is with the immigrant populaton. Nobody asked u guys to immigrate. Immigration comes with some obligation. Pakis woefully lack in skills to integrate.
Also, this ``gora`` versus ``kallu`` debate is nonsense. I find the majority community in US very friendly and have not faced any signficant discrimination either at workplace or in general.
Pakis have a ghetto mentality to start with and they project all their frustrations and failures on to others.
When i was in New York, i used to meet a lot of Pakis even outside my work place. One of them was teaching karate and was from NWFP. Always talking nonsense about US. I used to think why the hell is he in US if he hates the place so much. He was also a religious nutcase and talked a lot about Kashmir and hated India (pretty much sums up a typical Paki, does it not?).
Not all were like him though. I also met a lot of good Pakis in New York.
Sridhar

re: statistics about immigrant population in UK
http://www.esrcsocietytoday.ac.uk/ESRCInfoCentre/facts/index39.aspx?ComponentId=12534&SourcePageId=6970
Sridhar

re: comparison of immigrant workers in Britain
http://www.jrf.org.uk/knowledge/findings/socialpolicy/sprN48.asp
(The incomes of ethnic minorities

Some minority groups have prospered in Britain, but others remain severely disadvantaged. Until recently there has been no reliable information on the total incomes available to minority households. Richard Berthoud, of the University of Essex, has been analysing the Family Resources Survey. He shows that there is wide diversity between minority groups. Some are in serious poverty.

* Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are easily the poorest groups in the country. High unemployment among men; low levels of economic activity among women; low pay; and large family sizes: these all contribute to a situation in which 60 per cent of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are poor. This is four times the poverty rate found among white people. See a list of related documents...
* Indian and Chinese people have high levels of employment, and their earnings are on a par with those of white workers. On these measures, they can be seen to be prospering. But overall their rates of poverty are higher than for white households. See a list of related documents...
* Many people of Caribbean origin are unemployed, and there is a high rate of lone parenthood in this community. Wages for Caribbean men (though not for women) also tend to fall below those of their white equivalents. But overall, the rate of poverty among Caribbeans is only slightly higher than that among white households. See a list of related documents...
* It is difficult to characterise Africans as a single group, and they have not previously been the subjects of detailed study. But this research suggests that their incomes are low - lower than those of Caribbeans with whom they are often compared. See a list of related documents...
* The social security system, and especially means-tested benefits, contributes a large proportion of the incomes of some minority groups, especially Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.)
Sridhar

re:#20 by Urstruly
People who are unable or unwilling to integrate into any society have always brought up this agenda of discrimination.
How come hindus in UK are not discriminated for their color and religion? How come study after study have shown that Indians (regardless of religious affiliation) have done better than Pakis, Bangladeshis?
I think the common denominator is the kind of Islam that both Pak and Bangladesh practice even in the countries they migrate to that keeps them from integrating.
Nobody asked u guys to migrate. You did it for economic reasons. Now, you have created new ghettoes everywhere and your newer generation of Pakis in UK, France etc are loathed, seggreated. It is time to ponder and see what went wrong rather than shifting blame on the host and labelling everything as discrimination.
Sridhar