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On the Miltary Farms, Okara
I opologise to you for u have been onChok Forum (where is USSA)
Imknow you r intelligent and knowledgeable and might well be more astute than Ashcroft in your LEGAL mind ..
But he got beat by a DEAD ..even if he was a DEMOCRAT DEAD SENATOR
Now if a LESS thanDEAD can be Atty Gen .wont you be proud and happy that whoeve you have as Attorney Equivalent Major Gen inPlace cant be worse than DEAD ..Ca it be ?
I am sorry Rafay .nothiing personal But if you DID more Intelligence Work thanLegal ,i think u would do more work ..
All Laws BEND for A PRICE ....and how can you be hollier than US???
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL - COMMENTARY
The Constitution`s Philosopher-Poet
By RICHARD BROOKHISER
The holy documents of American history serve different functions. The
Declaration of Independence and the Gettysburg Address are public performances --
glorious verbal gestures designed to persuade and define. The Constitution is
more practical. Used and abused by lawmakers, lawyers, and judges, it is the SUV
of America, sturdily ferrying the nation about its business for over 200
years.
Most of us are familiar with the debates and compromises in Philadelphia in
the summer of 1787 that made the Constitution possible. Yet the document
itself, as a piece of prose, has its own artistry. The language is remarkably free
of legalese; in the 52-word opening sentence of the Preamble, it achieves the
poetry and wisdom of Jefferson and Lincoln.
The Constitutional Convention opened on May 25, 1787. Two months later, it
adjourned for 10 days so that a Committee of Detail could prepare a draft of all
the resolutions approved so far. Throughout the month of August, the
convention put this draft through the wringer one more time. By Sept. 8, it turned the
draft over to a Committee of Style. This was a strong group. James Madison,
the learned young politician, and Alexander Hamilton, the flashy colonel, were
members. But these heavy hitters gave the job of rewriting to the brilliant
and quirky Gouverneur Morris.
* * *
Morris had lost his left leg seven years earlier in a carriage accident; he
consoled himself in the arms of intelligent women, many of them married. He had
done good service in the Revolution, helping to write the New York State
Constitution, and trying to manage the nation`s debts at the Office of Finance.
But his sharp tongue and seigneurial manners tended to alienate those who did
not love him. He had performed well at the convention, however, speaking more
often than any other delegate, and often to the point. He produced a final draft
in four days.
Morris`s work on the meat of the Constitution, its seven Articles, is a
superb job of smoothing, organizing, and clipping unruly verbal vines. Anyone who
has graded term papers or edited copy will appreciate his labor. One small
simplification can stand for all the rest. An Article in the Committee of Detail`s
draft said: ``The Government shall consist of supreme legislative, executive,
and judicial powers.`` Morris struck this out, beginning his first three
articles by announcing that ``all legislative powers,`` ``the executive power,`` and
``the judicial power`` shall be vested in a Congress, a president, and the courts.
Morris`s alteration pruned a needless statement. The accumulation of such
changes over the entire Constitution makes for a document that is light and
limber. As an old man, James Madison declared that ``the finish given to the style
and arrangement of the Constitution fairly belongs to the pen of Mr. Morris . .
. A better choice could not have been made, as the performance of the task
proved.``
The most finished sentence Morris wrote is the Preamble. He did not have much
to guide him. The closest thing to a statement of purpose in the Articles of
Confederation, the first, failed constitution that the convention was
replacing, says that the states will enter ``a league of friendship . . . for their
common defence, the security of their Liberties, and their mutual and general
welfare . . . .`` Madison had come to the convention with a plan of his own, which
defined the objects of government as ``common defence, security of liberty and
general welfare.`` The draft of the Committee of Detail opened with a bald
announcement: ``We The People of the States of New Hampshire, Massachusetts`` and
so on, through Georgia, ``do ordain, declare, and establish the following
Constitution for the Government of Ourselves and our Posterity.``
Morris preserved pieces of these forerunners in his Preamble -- yet he
transformed them. ``We the People of the United States, in order to form a more
perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the
common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty
to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for
the United States of America.``
The first thing that leaps out is the parade of strong verbs -- no bland ``to
be`` forms, no passive voices. Two verbs alliterate -- provide, promote. Two
rhyme -- insure, secure. The repetition of ``establish`` links the Constitution
itself with the idea of justice. Such verbal echoes make prose readable, and
memorable. In their absence State of the Union messages sag like wet tarps,
supported only by mindless ovations.
But Morris wrote like a philosopher as well as a poet. He lists six purposes
of government. His last three come from the Articles of Confederation and from
Madison, but by changing their order he makes ``Liberty`` open out to the
future; he further sweetens it by speaking of its ``blessings.``
Where did his other purposes of government come from? ``Domestic tranquility``
had a personal meaning for him. Morris spent the beginning of the Revolution
in his native New York, where the war was particularly ugly. The British
invaded the state four times; loyalists and patriots fought each other in a virtual
civil war. Morris`s own family was split down the middle: his mother and
sisters were loyalists; one half-brother signed the Declaration of Independence,
while another was a general in the British army. Morris knew well the importance
of a peaceful country, and a peaceful home.
Establishing justice was also a goal shaped by his own experience. Morris was
the son and grandson of colonial judges. Of the three branches of government,
the judiciary was the stepchild, receiving the least discussion at the
convention and immediately afterward. Morris did not make this mistake. ``In some
parts of this Union,`` he warned a fellow founder, ``justice cannot readily be
obtained in the state courts.``
Morris`s greatest contribution came at the very beginning, when he shrank the
list of the states in the Committee of Detail`s draft to ``We the People of
the United States.`` There was a practical reason for his terseness: some states
were unlikely to ratify any time soon (Rhode Island had sent no delegates to
the convention). But Morris was moved by conviction as well. He was one of the
doughtiest nationalists at the convention. ``Among the many provisions which
had been urged,`` he complained at one point, he had seen none ``for supporting
the dignity and splendor of the American empire.`` By speaking in the name of the
people of the nation, Morris subtly but momentously changed the focus of
government. The keenest critics of the Constitution saw what he was doing: Patrick
Henry would pounce on ``that poor little thing -- the expression, `We the
people.`` Abraham Lincoln would embrace it: the Gettysburg Address begins by
recalling the Declaration, ``four score and seven years ago,`` but its concluding
invocation of ``government of the people, by the people, and for the people`` echoes
the Preamble.
American history after the Constitutional Convention would be filled with
many strange detours -- none stranger than Morris`s decision, 25 years later, to
repudiate his handiwork. As a northern Federalist during the War of 1812, he
thought the government was in the grip of wicked bumblers, and he wanted the
country split up and the Constitution scrapped. But literary critics know that
authors are not the best judges of what they write. The Constitution has
outlived the doubts of its draftsman -- sturdy, simple, and, at moments, beautiful.
[Mr. Brookhiser, a senior editor at the National Review, is author of
``Gentleman Revolutionary: Gouverneur Morris, the Rake Who Wrote the Constitution``
(Free Press, 2003).]
Posted by
Studebaker
Jul 8, 2003 05:03 am
Rafay I opologise to you for u have been onChok Forum (where is USSA)
Imknow you r intelligent and knowledgeable and might well be more astute than Ashcroft in your LEGAL mind ..
But he got beat by a DEAD ..even if he was a DEMOCRAT DEAD SENATOR
Now if a LESS thanDEAD can be Atty Gen .wont you be proud and happy that whoeve you have as Attorney Equivalent Major Gen inPlace cant be worse than DEAD ..Ca it be ?
I am sorry Rafay .nothiing personal But if you DID more Intelligence Work thanLegal ,i think u would do more work ..
All Laws BEND for A PRICE ....and how can you be hollier than US???
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL - COMMENTARY
The Constitution`s Philosopher-Poet
By RICHARD BROOKHISER
The holy documents of American history serve different functions. The
Declaration of Independence and the Gettysburg Address are public performances --
glorious verbal gestures designed to persuade and define. The Constitution is
more practical. Used and abused by lawmakers, lawyers, and judges, it is the SUV
of America, sturdily ferrying the nation about its business for over 200
years.
Most of us are familiar with the debates and compromises in Philadelphia in
the summer of 1787 that made the Constitution possible. Yet the document
itself, as a piece of prose, has its own artistry. The language is remarkably free
of legalese; in the 52-word opening sentence of the Preamble, it achieves the
poetry and wisdom of Jefferson and Lincoln.
The Constitutional Convention opened on May 25, 1787. Two months later, it
adjourned for 10 days so that a Committee of Detail could prepare a draft of all
the resolutions approved so far. Throughout the month of August, the
convention put this draft through the wringer one more time. By Sept. 8, it turned the
draft over to a Committee of Style. This was a strong group. James Madison,
the learned young politician, and Alexander Hamilton, the flashy colonel, were
members. But these heavy hitters gave the job of rewriting to the brilliant
and quirky Gouverneur Morris.
* * *
Morris had lost his left leg seven years earlier in a carriage accident; he
consoled himself in the arms of intelligent women, many of them married. He had
done good service in the Revolution, helping to write the New York State
Constitution, and trying to manage the nation`s debts at the Office of Finance.
But his sharp tongue and seigneurial manners tended to alienate those who did
not love him. He had performed well at the convention, however, speaking more
often than any other delegate, and often to the point. He produced a final draft
in four days.
Morris`s work on the meat of the Constitution, its seven Articles, is a
superb job of smoothing, organizing, and clipping unruly verbal vines. Anyone who
has graded term papers or edited copy will appreciate his labor. One small
simplification can stand for all the rest. An Article in the Committee of Detail`s
draft said: ``The Government shall consist of supreme legislative, executive,
and judicial powers.`` Morris struck this out, beginning his first three
articles by announcing that ``all legislative powers,`` ``the executive power,`` and
``the judicial power`` shall be vested in a Congress, a president, and the courts.
Morris`s alteration pruned a needless statement. The accumulation of such
changes over the entire Constitution makes for a document that is light and
limber. As an old man, James Madison declared that ``the finish given to the style
and arrangement of the Constitution fairly belongs to the pen of Mr. Morris . .
. A better choice could not have been made, as the performance of the task
proved.``
The most finished sentence Morris wrote is the Preamble. He did not have much
to guide him. The closest thing to a statement of purpose in the Articles of
Confederation, the first, failed constitution that the convention was
replacing, says that the states will enter ``a league of friendship . . . for their
common defence, the security of their Liberties, and their mutual and general
welfare . . . .`` Madison had come to the convention with a plan of his own, which
defined the objects of government as ``common defence, security of liberty and
general welfare.`` The draft of the Committee of Detail opened with a bald
announcement: ``We The People of the States of New Hampshire, Massachusetts`` and
so on, through Georgia, ``do ordain, declare, and establish the following
Constitution for the Government of Ourselves and our Posterity.``
Morris preserved pieces of these forerunners in his Preamble -- yet he
transformed them. ``We the People of the United States, in order to form a more
perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the
common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty
to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for
the United States of America.``
The first thing that leaps out is the parade of strong verbs -- no bland ``to
be`` forms, no passive voices. Two verbs alliterate -- provide, promote. Two
rhyme -- insure, secure. The repetition of ``establish`` links the Constitution
itself with the idea of justice. Such verbal echoes make prose readable, and
memorable. In their absence State of the Union messages sag like wet tarps,
supported only by mindless ovations.
But Morris wrote like a philosopher as well as a poet. He lists six purposes
of government. His last three come from the Articles of Confederation and from
Madison, but by changing their order he makes ``Liberty`` open out to the
future; he further sweetens it by speaking of its ``blessings.``
Where did his other purposes of government come from? ``Domestic tranquility``
had a personal meaning for him. Morris spent the beginning of the Revolution
in his native New York, where the war was particularly ugly. The British
invaded the state four times; loyalists and patriots fought each other in a virtual
civil war. Morris`s own family was split down the middle: his mother and
sisters were loyalists; one half-brother signed the Declaration of Independence,
while another was a general in the British army. Morris knew well the importance
of a peaceful country, and a peaceful home.
Establishing justice was also a goal shaped by his own experience. Morris was
the son and grandson of colonial judges. Of the three branches of government,
the judiciary was the stepchild, receiving the least discussion at the
convention and immediately afterward. Morris did not make this mistake. ``In some
parts of this Union,`` he warned a fellow founder, ``justice cannot readily be
obtained in the state courts.``
Morris`s greatest contribution came at the very beginning, when he shrank the
list of the states in the Committee of Detail`s draft to ``We the People of
the United States.`` There was a practical reason for his terseness: some states
were unlikely to ratify any time soon (Rhode Island had sent no delegates to
the convention). But Morris was moved by conviction as well. He was one of the
doughtiest nationalists at the convention. ``Among the many provisions which
had been urged,`` he complained at one point, he had seen none ``for supporting
the dignity and splendor of the American empire.`` By speaking in the name of the
people of the nation, Morris subtly but momentously changed the focus of
government. The keenest critics of the Constitution saw what he was doing: Patrick
Henry would pounce on ``that poor little thing -- the expression, `We the
people.`` Abraham Lincoln would embrace it: the Gettysburg Address begins by
recalling the Declaration, ``four score and seven years ago,`` but its concluding
invocation of ``government of the people, by the people, and for the people`` echoes
the Preamble.
American history after the Constitutional Convention would be filled with
many strange detours -- none stranger than Morris`s decision, 25 years later, to
repudiate his handiwork. As a northern Federalist during the War of 1812, he
thought the government was in the grip of wicked bumblers, and he wanted the
country split up and the Constitution scrapped. But literary critics know that
authors are not the best judges of what they write. The Constitution has
outlived the doubts of its draftsman -- sturdy, simple, and, at moments, beautiful.
[Mr. Brookhiser, a senior editor at the National Review, is author of
``Gentleman Revolutionary: Gouverneur Morris, the Rake Who Wrote the Constitution``
(Free Press, 2003).]
On the Miltary Farms, Okara
Cherry ka kya kehna
Wafa tou nam hai inka ....
Posted by
Studebaker
Jul 6, 2003 08:51 pm
#6 by cherry on July 6, 2003 7:49pm PTCherry ka kya kehna
Wafa tou nam hai inka ....
On the Miltary Farms, Okara
being a small town tatered VAKIL or Pesh kar or para legal
wafa SIRF damin-chawk main NAHI hai
As much as i dont mind being FAQIR .....
I dont know if Okra is a pressing problem facing anybody ...jus as AWAL ,or Talaq or even hadood ,zinna ,spl. if one Jay wih you
like Marriane with Nomani (a deadly conflict of interest combo)
Posted by
Studebaker
Jul 6, 2003 01:06 pm
Rafaybeing a small town tatered VAKIL or Pesh kar or para legal
wafa SIRF damin-chawk main NAHI hai
As much as i dont mind being FAQIR .....
I dont know if Okra is a pressing problem facing anybody ...jus as AWAL ,or Talaq or even hadood ,zinna ,spl. if one Jay wih you
like Marriane with Nomani (a deadly conflict of interest combo)
Monsoon Days
Nahi hai AAb Amanat Isske
Nam zameen Inke BINA bhi hai
Posted by
Studebaker
Jul 6, 2003 07:18 am
Baarish >barsat>Varsha>Megha>Monsoon >Rain Nahi hai AAb Amanat Isske
Nam zameen Inke BINA bhi hai
The Blackboards
I pity my youngest one ..
And my wife thinks i love him more ...
But when were women best at accuracy ?
Posted by
Studebaker
Jul 6, 2003 07:18 am
I am the youngest ...I pity my youngest one ..
And my wife thinks i love him more ...
But when were women best at accuracy ?
The Rumi of Kashmir: Mian Muhammad Bakhsh Qadiri (may his secret be sanctified!)
could just havehttp:
//www.rumionfire.com/admin/index.htm
Istead of writing painstakenlt ovrnight with no original ideas ....reproductions no innovation..
Or he just discovered RUmi today ...???
Posted by
Studebaker
Jul 2, 2003 01:57 am
The gentleman from NAQSHBANDI ..instead of wasting morethan his30 min given by conceding English Speaking Sunni as opposed to French speaking shia Females runover .could just havehttp:
//www.rumionfire.com/admin/index.htm
Istead of writing painstakenlt ovrnight with no original ideas ....reproductions no innovation..
Or he just discovered RUmi today ...???
Bari Imam’s Republic of Peeristan
.....:(((
Posted by
Studebaker
Jul 2, 2003 01:57 am
At least it did not become Gynaecologi
Many Questions, No Answers
#32 by harish_hyd on June 30, 2003 7:04am PT
Here`s a must read for those Pakis whose hearts bleed for the Muslims of Gujarat, especially the indignant drdre. Here`s some more of it my friends.
Christians besieged in Pakistan
By Julia Duin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
PROOF both are----H-ALKIEDA * for meaning ask others
hindian never b;leed for Christians atleast Muslims are Abrahmic ..so more concrened about them
Hypocricy is when Fox ...asks to Guard CHICKEN ..bach ke rahna re b ba bach ke rahna re
Dont go by my achievements ..it will only make the bar for muslim minority of India ..i am an exceptional evn among there best of best Brahmins ...
dont raise the BAR for Indian muslims ..last i want that Thse Hindians show other aspiring Muslimstudents Scientist Dcctors Thnkers ..lku ae bettr off than me ..
the ame thng they use azimjiWipro to raise he bar and shut door of there obligation and duty to enforce rights human rights ....
Posted by
Studebaker
Jul 1, 2003 11:30 pm
#32 by harish_hyd on June 30, 2003 7:04am PT
Here`s a must read for those Pakis whose hearts bleed for the Muslims of Gujarat, especially the indignant drdre. Here`s some more of it my friends.
Christians besieged in Pakistan
By Julia Duin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
PROOF both are----H-ALKIEDA * for meaning ask others
hindian never b;leed for Christians atleast Muslims are Abrahmic ..so more concrened about them
Hypocricy is when Fox ...asks to Guard CHICKEN ..bach ke rahna re b ba bach ke rahna re
Dont go by my achievements ..it will only make the bar for muslim minority of India ..i am an exceptional evn among there best of best Brahmins ...
dont raise the BAR for Indian muslims ..last i want that Thse Hindians show other aspiring Muslimstudents Scientist Dcctors Thnkers ..lku ae bettr off than me ..
the ame thng they use azimjiWipro to raise he bar and shut door of there obligation and duty to enforce rights human rights ....
Many Questions, No Answers
#32 by harish_hyd on June 30, 2003 7:04am PT
Here`s a must read for those Pakis whose hearts bleed for the Muslims of Gujarat, especially the indignant drdre. Here`s some more of it my friends.
Christians besieged in Pakistan
By Julia Duin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
PROOF both are----H-ALKIEDA * for meaning ask others
hindian nevr b;eed for Christians atleast Muslims are Abrahmic ..so more concrened about them
Hypocricy is when Fax asks to Guard CHIOCKEN ..bach ke rahna re b ba bach ke rahna re
Dont go by mr ..i am an exceptyional evn among there best of best Brahmins ...
dont raise the BAR for Indian muslims ..last i want that Thse Hindians show other aspiring Muslimstudents Scientist Dcctors Thnkers ..b/c i give beating of hee lfe to Hindians here is because i stole fromIndia ....
Posted by
Studebaker
Jul 1, 2003 11:30 pm
#32 by harish_hyd on June 30, 2003 7:04am PT
Here`s a must read for those Pakis whose hearts bleed for the Muslims of Gujarat, especially the indignant drdre. Here`s some more of it my friends.
Christians besieged in Pakistan
By Julia Duin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
PROOF both are----H-ALKIEDA * for meaning ask others
hindian nevr b;eed for Christians atleast Muslims are Abrahmic ..so more concrened about them
Hypocricy is when Fax asks to Guard CHIOCKEN ..bach ke rahna re b ba bach ke rahna re
Dont go by mr ..i am an exceptyional evn among there best of best Brahmins ...
dont raise the BAR for Indian muslims ..last i want that Thse Hindians show other aspiring Muslimstudents Scientist Dcctors Thnkers ..b/c i give beating of hee lfe to Hindians here is because i stole fromIndia ....
President Pervez Musharaff’s Views
musharraf is an idiot. pakistan is a failed state. pakistanis are terrorists. pakistan has no education, no democracy, no equality, no justice .it is worse than the worst in india etc etc. hey you intelligent indians we know that. tell us something new or go jump in the ganges coz
you guys are sounding like our mullah offering friday khutba.......
ps: sridhar loves to call musharraf a whore.......wonder how much sridhar paid for his tool??
pps: saxy:i know it aint fair, we will tell the grocerywallahs to remove india....
------------------------------------------------
Orre URVASHI 1111!!!!!!!!!
Now that is called APOPLEPLEPTIC ,mine is therapy of truth serum~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Posted by
Studebaker
Jun 30, 2003 08:59 pm
#60 by khamkhwa. on June 30, 2003 6:25pm PTmusharraf is an idiot. pakistan is a failed state. pakistanis are terrorists. pakistan has no education, no democracy, no equality, no justice .it is worse than the worst in india etc etc. hey you intelligent indians we know that. tell us something new or go jump in the ganges coz
you guys are sounding like our mullah offering friday khutba.......
ps: sridhar loves to call musharraf a whore.......wonder how much sridhar paid for his tool??
pps: saxy:i know it aint fair, we will tell the grocerywallahs to remove india....
------------------------------------------------
Orre URVASHI 1111!!!!!!!!!
Now that is called APOPLEPLEPTIC ,mine is therapy of truth serum~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
President Pervez Musharaff’s Views
You r like Nomani who thinks she was princess Nur Jehan And Taj mahal was hers ..
Troboule with Miss educated evenif you go to Harvard is you have no ground relity Samer Sher e Pounjab ..
Your Sher e Pounjab is GEEDER inCalcutta when a Banggaal toss his tourban and burnhis Bagh nari guru Dwara .....i just wish brings that sense of relity knocking harder than i casn opopleptically (Urvashi )can only harmlesly and non phsicaly try hard to bring ..
Pounjabi Havldar Bhouta Sing ...boot polish kiya at Barrackpore cantonment of Eastern Command ......
Posted by
Studebaker
Jun 30, 2003 08:59 pm
Lahore grocery and see how many north Indians would go to Lahore as opposed to other places.....just go to jackson height and notice the amount You r like Nomani who thinks she was princess Nur Jehan And Taj mahal was hers ..
Troboule with Miss educated evenif you go to Harvard is you have no ground relity Samer Sher e Pounjab ..
Your Sher e Pounjab is GEEDER inCalcutta when a Banggaal toss his tourban and burnhis Bagh nari guru Dwara .....i just wish brings that sense of relity knocking harder than i casn opopleptically (Urvashi )can only harmlesly and non phsicaly try hard to bring ..
Pounjabi Havldar Bhouta Sing ...boot polish kiya at Barrackpore cantonment of Eastern Command ......
President Pervez Musharaff’s Views
----------
Samersing
You r like Nomani who thinks she was princess Nur Jehan And Taj mahal was hers ..
Troboule with Miss educated even if you go to Harvard is you have no ground reality Samer Sher e Pounjab ..
Your Sher e Pounjab is GEEDER inCalcutta when a Banggaal toss his tourban and burnhis Bagh mari guru Dwara .....i just wish to brings that sense of reality knocking harder than i casn opopleptically (Urvashi )can only harmlesly and non phsically try hard to bring ..
lance Naik Pounjabi Havildar Bhouta Sing ...boot polish kiya at Barrackpore cantonment of Eastern Command ......
Posted by
Studebaker
Jun 30, 2003 08:59 pm
Lahore grocery and see how many north Indians would go to Lahore as opposed to other places.....just go to jackson height and notice the amount ----------
Samersing
You r like Nomani who thinks she was princess Nur Jehan And Taj mahal was hers ..
Troboule with Miss educated even if you go to Harvard is you have no ground reality Samer Sher e Pounjab ..
Your Sher e Pounjab is GEEDER inCalcutta when a Banggaal toss his tourban and burnhis Bagh mari guru Dwara .....i just wish to brings that sense of reality knocking harder than i casn opopleptically (Urvashi )can only harmlesly and non phsically try hard to bring ..
lance Naik Pounjabi Havildar Bhouta Sing ...boot polish kiya at Barrackpore cantonment of Eastern Command ......
The Conversion Chiaroscuro
#115 by septran on June 30, 2003 7:03pm PT
#71 tahmed 32,
i agree with you.GOD HAS CREATED WORLD AND IT``S UP TO US TO EXPLORE IT.
HE IS NOT OFFENDED BY ANY OF OUR ACTIONS.WHY SHOULD HE?BECOZ HE HAS GIVEN US SENSE TO ACT ACCORDINGLY.
---------------
So nincompoos Mohommed and ALAH chased 15 millions `por refugees` or Pundits fromKashmir or Hindus from E.Pakistan ??
Urvashi ...see its not Religion ..its Survival ..
May be Orre only struggle to exisist lke the filth and everything that Nomani condescends about ....
Its not Hindu against Muslim..its hurt against hurt ....
Posted by
Studebaker
Jun 30, 2003 08:59 pm
#115 by septran on June 30, 2003 7:03pm PT
#71 tahmed 32,
i agree with you.GOD HAS CREATED WORLD AND IT``S UP TO US TO EXPLORE IT.
HE IS NOT OFFENDED BY ANY OF OUR ACTIONS.WHY SHOULD HE?BECOZ HE HAS GIVEN US SENSE TO ACT ACCORDINGLY.
---------------
So nincompoos Mohommed and ALAH chased 15 millions `por refugees` or Pundits fromKashmir or Hindus from E.Pakistan ??
Urvashi ...see its not Religion ..its Survival ..
May be Orre only struggle to exisist lke the filth and everything that Nomani condescends about ....
Its not Hindu against Muslim..its hurt against hurt ....
Ancient Pakistan
``and an even better researched article than the one above was:
Arguments Against Aryan Invasion Theory by Sameer
http://63.194.130.82/cgi-bin/show_article.cgi?aid=00000887&channel=university%20ave&start=0&end=9&page=1&chapter=1
Interestingly even back then, in the discussion that followed this second article our dear friend Urstruly brought up the math inductive model in the context of calculating the number of Syeds in the subcontinent 1400 years after Mohammed. His argument, was the exact same one as he presented recently in one of the discussions here... somethings never change. :) However, please don`t let that turn you off. It was a very minor digression.
...SR
And what makes you so authority on it ????..between tacking stocks ???
Posted by
Studebaker
Jun 30, 2003 07:03 pm
``and an even better researched article than the one above was:
Arguments Against Aryan Invasion Theory by Sameer
http://63.194.130.82/cgi-bin/show_article.cgi?aid=00000887&channel=university%20ave&start=0&end=9&page=1&chapter=1
Interestingly even back then, in the discussion that followed this second article our dear friend Urstruly brought up the math inductive model in the context of calculating the number of Syeds in the subcontinent 1400 years after Mohammed. His argument, was the exact same one as he presented recently in one of the discussions here... somethings never change. :) However, please don`t let that turn you off. It was a very minor digression.
...SR
And what makes you so authority on it ????..between tacking stocks ???
President Pervez Musharaff’s Views
#40 by harimau on June 30, 2003 3:12pm PT
#16 by hamidm2 on June 30, 2003 10:23am PT
thus further infuriating 12-Head/Tipu/Studebaker who is already incensed that Farzana Versey`s Didi is being diddled by a Hindu brahmin just like that Muslim-basher VS Naipaul is diddling a Pakistani Muslima, both against all teachings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
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HARAMI
Only men can know men sexuality ....right ?
I have more than 135 millions ``muslim`` hoor and 500 million non muslimLarkis for your sex starved Hindian Pundits ....in INDIA ..ethink it is our burden protecting all them ...
I never sopped a muslim girl to do whatevr she wants just ..
NO SEX inside the theatre mam ..be it Maratha Mandir where al this happens or Metro Globe or Paradise cinema Calcutta ..
That itself is anALLOGORY you fool taking word literaly ...
Meaning exit Islam honorably we` even throw in a fare well party to boost ...
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Why be worse than Devdasinis atleast they dont disgrace those who keep them in such state ...
Its Double indemnity that muslim men suffer ..GT IT or NOT ..i still have doubts ..u will EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@!!
Posted by
Studebaker
Jun 30, 2003 06:25 pm
#40 by harimau on June 30, 2003 3:12pm PT
#16 by hamidm2 on June 30, 2003 10:23am PT
thus further infuriating 12-Head/Tipu/Studebaker who is already incensed that Farzana Versey`s Didi is being diddled by a Hindu brahmin just like that Muslim-basher VS Naipaul is diddling a Pakistani Muslima, both against all teachings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
---------------------------------
HARAMI
Only men can know men sexuality ....right ?
I have more than 135 millions ``muslim`` hoor and 500 million non muslimLarkis for your sex starved Hindian Pundits ....in INDIA ..ethink it is our burden protecting all them ...
I never sopped a muslim girl to do whatevr she wants just ..
NO SEX inside the theatre mam ..be it Maratha Mandir where al this happens or Metro Globe or Paradise cinema Calcutta ..
That itself is anALLOGORY you fool taking word literaly ...
Meaning exit Islam honorably we` even throw in a fare well party to boost ...
==================================================
Why be worse than Devdasinis atleast they dont disgrace those who keep them in such state ...
Its Double indemnity that muslim men suffer ..GT IT or NOT ..i still have doubts ..u will EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@!!
President Pervez Musharaff’s Views
#53 by rsaxena on June 30, 2003 5:00pm PT
re: hrrehman
...would you please inform your countrymen of this so they stop naming their grocery stores and restaurants as ``indo-pak`` to win business....call the damn things paki and see how many people show up....
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As long as there is one Muslim in INdia (bharat after partitined Union of INDIA)..Theoreticaly he can marry his progeny and become refreshed INDIAN as only 56 yrs undivided Indian Unionof which Bdesh & Pak is integral AToot AANG hai :))
But why bother hiring me as lawyer .
is there a patent law aplicable inU.S.:<<
Posted by
Studebaker
Jun 30, 2003 06:25 pm
#53 by rsaxena on June 30, 2003 5:00pm PT
re: hrrehman
...would you please inform your countrymen of this so they stop naming their grocery stores and restaurants as ``indo-pak`` to win business....call the damn things paki and see how many people show up....
-----
As long as there is one Muslim in INdia (bharat after partitined Union of INDIA)..Theoreticaly he can marry his progeny and become refreshed INDIAN as only 56 yrs undivided Indian Unionof which Bdesh & Pak is integral AToot AANG hai :))
But why bother hiring me as lawyer .
is there a patent law aplicable inU.S.:<<
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