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Of Curiosity, Optimism and Hope urstruly: and another favor - tell me what facts i have presented that are wrong. dont just present me with a sweeping statement that my facts are wrong. or do you seriously think that the saudi arabs were not among the most impoverished people on earth before oil? or that it was the saudis, not westerners, who discovered oil? and found a use for it?

Of Curiosity, Optimism and Hope It’s not a pluralistic, secular, democratic society and that is what most Indian dislike about Pakistan. I don’t think anyone’s hatred to another nation should be a measure of their patriotism, but commitment to the idea of a pluralistic, secular, democratic India is fair game.

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Faruk
(Like FUZAIR .....)
You r another Indian pretending to be Pakistani !!!!!!!!!


there is no difference in secterian communal fanatiscisn obscrutanism sexism cruelty brutality cheap politicking supression pota ..tada

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kiling of students protesting exploitation

HAPENS IN INDIA TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

The changing face of America
#130 by PM on October 13, 2003 8:50am PT
From the article:


#130 by PM on October 13, 2003 8:50am PT

What gives!? Where is the ``racial profiling``? And could the treatment by the aircrew just have been a case of bad service? I actually took the same flight last year. Yes, one of the stewrd/esses was quite short and unhelpful, the others, though were the opposite. And I`m a male. Higher ``risk`` group.

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Patrick

Being a Minority yourself you can vouch someime `being discriminated` is more a inside fEELINGSsensitivity and `hurt`` than intentional by he majority ...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that said it is sill humanity and civilness of threatening majority to calm ease and assure any apprehension feeling threatened intimidation !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pervez Hoodbhoy-Paul Kurtz correspondence

Ibn Warraq may be like Anwar Sheikh ,and other ``show boys`` quislings like that of Hindutva in India ...




``Late in life, Edward Said made a rare conciliatory gesture. In 1998, he accused the Arab world of hypocrisy for defending a Holocaust denier on grounds of free speech. After all, free speech ``scarcely exists in our own societies.``



Ibn Warraq ..???? ibn //very tachy islamic arab nick :)))






Sir

i have debated with South Asian Post Colonial literature students and teachers from most Asian countries this issue ..India, pakistan











The palestenians canbe ACCUSED of NOT terrorism ,violence ,jehadist ,islamist extremism nor of fundamentalist fantic extremists ...

ONY THING THEY ARE is

U N D I P L O M A T I C ...not savy as Zionists

the same argument when presnted in USA democratic USA on C Span at authors reading of Books by Mark Rigg is attentively agreed by both Jewish and and othe Ameicans ...


All the ARABS and Paslestenian REFUGEES say is that NOT all Israelis are HOLOCAUST VICTIMS but may be some were perpetrator themselves of Hitlers holocaust and NAZISM !!!!!!


http://www.holocaust-trc.org/B_Rigg.htm


Hitler`s Jewish Soldiers
The Untold Story of Nazi Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German Military
by Bryan Mark Rigg
With permission by Bryan Mark Rigg

This book is available for purchase online. Click here or the book cover to order online.
Select the amazon.com icon in the left margin of this page to browse Amazon Books.

See a short video clip of his interview on NBC`s Dateline, June 9, 2002. To view movie select the video camera icon to the left of this text.



Rigg also is part of the faculty for American Military University and he teaches Holocaust courses online.

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“An unexplored and confounding chapter in the history of the Holocaust.”
WARREN HOGE, New York Times

“Startling and unexpected, Rigg’s study conclusively demonstrates the degree of flexibility in German policy toward the Mischlinge, the extent of Hitter’s involvement, and, most important, that not all who served in the armed forces were anti-Semitic, even as their service aided the killing process. . . . An invaluable contribution.”
MICHAEL BERENBAUM, author of The World Must Know: The History of the Holocaust

“An impressively researched work with important implications for hotly debated questions.
Rigg tells some exquisitely poignant stories of Individual human experiences that complicate our picture of state and society in the Third Reich.”
NATHAN A. STOLTZFUS, author of Resistance of the Heart: Intermarriage
and the Rosenstrasse Protest in Nazi Germany

“By helping us better understand Nazi racial policy at the margins—i.e., its impact on certain members of the German military—Rigg’s study clarifies the central problems of Nazi Jewish policies overall.”
NORMAN NAIMARK, author of Fires of Hatred: Ethnic Cleansing in
Twentieth-Century Europe

“With the skill of a master detective, Bryan Rigg reveals the surprising and largely
unknown story of Germans of Jewish origins in the Nazi military. His work contributes to
our understanding of the complexity of faith and identity in the Third Reich.”
PAULA E. HYMAN, author of Gender and Assimilation In Modern Jewish History

“A major piece of scholarship. Rigg has uncovered personal stories and private archives that literally nobody knew existed. His book is an important contribution to German history.”
JONATHAN STEINBERG, author of All or Nothing: The Axis and the Holocaust, 1941—1943

“An outstanding book that adds a great deal to our understanding of the German military, of the place of Jews and people of Jewish descent in the Nazi state, and of the Holocaust.”
GEOFFREY P. MEGARGEE, author of Inside Hitler’s High command

“An original, groundbreaking, and significant work”
JAMES S. CORUM, author of The Roots of Blitzkrieg.and The Luftwaffe

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Of Curiosity, Optimism and Hope Kaurasch

Know thy friends ....
longhttp://www.sikhcybermuseum.org/

cool head and processing information will go way to help solve your problem ..



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Pervez Hoodbhoy-Paul Kurtz correspondence
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#8


RationalFaith is OXYMORON!

why?

BECAUSE


Faith may be rational but it isnt ALWAYS !!!!!!


like all Birds have wings but all winged like House Flies are NOT bird ....get it Rational oxymoronic Faith ????????

Of Curiosity, Optimism and Hope Hey Arjun Yudh KAR !!!!!!!!
#33 by arjun_m on October 13, 2003 3:03pm PT
#30 by temporal on October 13, 2003 1:09pm PT
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2: That said person is a pakistani?
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To borrow from Sean Connery in The Untouchables ``Who`d claim to be paki that wasn`t one``?

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You r witness as are honorable
Bula Khan ,
Ralph (a tamil brahmin)
Zrine Habeeb(anuradha/ussa/trinity/pillai/single tamil female40+yrs)
and many Indians have claimed to prove points that thy are PAKISTANI ..i `ve .he he he he he

Of Curiosity, Optimism and Hope ``Scene B: I was very fortunate to be awarded a scholarship at Oxford and went there to pursue the BCL, the graduate degree in law. I met a beautiful, smart, very devout Pakistani female student whose first question to me was “How did you (a Muslim from India) get a scholarship to study here?”


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IN YOUR PREVIOUS ARTICLE .GujRAT Madarsa andother things of MAY 2003 you said SAME THING only it HAPPENED in BOSTON harvard !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of Curiosity, Optimism and Hope Both yours And YOGI RAJ PATIL make NO Sensense to me ..

Just as you can talk of KERALA ony i can only of my Indian mUslim Experience from N.E, INDIA

First neither can Zarine is a spokepeson of ``Muslims in India`` either in Kerala and defenitely not of ``ALL indian muslims
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Yogi Raj i cant make head or tail of your Looongus Vebal diarhhoea ..Either you r Guju Rat Muslim hating Hindutva Modi /Tagodia /Singhal /Shourie /Joshi /Advani Rss /Sena ?Bajrang /Jan Sangh .....or u do not belong to MY INDIA !!!!!!!


You both come to N.E. youwil be shown the EXIT door by mt HINDOO neighbours and friends ...

All outsider of e rgion are CHATOO khor and non friend before a MUSLIMis even accused of anything !!!!!

The changing face of America



``don`t see Parsis feeling threatened. I don`t see Jews getting theatened. I don`t see Buddhists getting threatened..``

Parsi are too few too anglicised and therforeInfluebtial internatinally hat you will sh!t in nts to speak against JEW or PARSI .just like A brit is STILL u r MASTER !!!!!!

Buddhist after AShoka werre Driven OUT thru by Haegonomy or by Advaity Dvaitya CRAPof TAMIL bRAHMIN ..or some uni debatable reasons ..they ARE GONE ..


Moreover physical harm is NOT the only concern ....HAEGONOMY ..just ask the NRI how they feel hratened that thy have petitiononline against Christioan right (Jindals conversion is hated by majority American nri ) AND THEY WOULD KILL SUNY/Bobby ? JINDAL FOR CONVERTING if itwere INDIA!!!!!

The changing face of America
#89 by Romair on October 11, 2003 11:05pm PT
ZahraJ #83: ``Why did you perform your Hajj ? Penance ?``

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All of what yo experienced about BEDOUIN might be true ...

But how do you like ASHCRoFt connect cause and effect of ISLAM being BAD b/c BEDOUIN hapens to INHABIT the regionof Mecca /Medina

or Any Holy Place ..Mathura Puri Jagannath Trichinna Palli ..??

Also you r never satisfied til your FEUDAL pride driven ambition makes you No1 super Duper POWER of the WORLD ..?????

Now yo are depresed ,frustrated b/c you couldn`t be the NO ! ..

Rajput humble down ..to Khush Parosh Fakir ..

Wafa Hai nahi Amanat Gareban Chaak Ke

Mohobbat tou ShanShah Bhi Kiya Karte Haine

The changing face of America
#90 by veeresh on October 12, 2003 2:38am PT
This article and the subsequent interacts brings out a few things which need to be stated in Black & White here:-



a) Muslims and others seem to be treated better in the US than in Saudi Arabia, but they are treated the best in India.

Veeroo


ITS VERY VERY HARD IMPOSSIBLE TO AGREE ON HOW ANY(minority/smaller/weaker/disavantaged /disabled) GROUP IS TREATED BY HAEGONOMY OF 9:1 Overwhelming almost SUFFOCATING preponderence of INSENSITIVE trampling and HORDES of MASS mellieu .

HenceNO ARGUMENT here ..


To U your nelieve to me MINE!


Is there a comparision betwn Hindu minority prosperity in muslim majority MALAYSIA,BaHRAin ,Doha ,Dubai ,KWAIT ..

or


NON HINDU majority of U.K. Canada USA ,Aussies or Any where else in the world


Muslim are economically WORSE than HINDU ..per capita
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Now you wil come up with Articles atributing personal law as the cause ,

educational backwardness ,

women being `less trupetting in high heels hopping buses and scooters in Chandigarh and Delhi /mumbai ..etc.etc.


That again is Unproven unscientific ASHCROFTIAN lacking CAUSE and EFECT relationship !!!


ALSO not Any MUSLIM would like to leaveSaudie or any country FOR INDIA
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d) Queen Latifa and Chaka Khan are not Muslim enough for more than a few other Muslims, worldwide. Nor is Mohamed Ali the boxer


NEITHER 90 % of INDIANS are HINDU except for declaring they are NOT other minority religions Sikh Jain Muslim or Christian/Parsi /jew etc.

So if you doubt Mohomed Ali as Muslim thee is no prove that ADVANI Shourie r Joshi Modi Tagoduia areNon other than Opertunistic Hedonic Demons who for personal GAIN...GAIN...GAIN call thenselves HINDOOO b/c altenative is DEATH !!!

Why Bush Will Fail in Iraq
PAT the RAT

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Updated: 11:41 AM EDT
State Department Decries Robertson Nuke Quote
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e U.S. State Department has condemned an on-air suggestion by religious
broadcaster Pat Robertson that the agency ought to be blown up with a nuclear
device.


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Robertson, who heads the Virginia Beach-based Christian Broadcasting Network,
made the remark while interviewing author Joel Mowbray on ``The 700 Club``
television program last week. Mowbray wrote a book called ``Dangerous Diplomacy:
How the State Department Endangers America`s Security.``

``I read your book. When you get through, you say, `If I could just get a
nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom, I think that`s the answer.` I mean, you get
through this, and you say, `We`ve got to blow that thing up,``` Robertson said
during the interview.

The State Department`s headquarters are located in Foggy Bottom, a Washington
neighborhood.



AP
Robertson regularly condemns the State Department as a rogue element he says
consistently undermines U.S. policies and the principles of freedom.




Richard Boucher, the agency`s top spokesman, called the remark Thursday
``despicable.``

``I lack sufficient capabilities to express my disdain,`` Boucher said to
reporters during a press briefing.

Robertson was out of town and could not be reached for comment, his
spokeswoman Angell Watts said Friday.

In National Review magazine, Mowbray has written articles criticizing the way
visas were issued in Saudi Arabia. Mowbray was questioned in 2002 by the
State Department after disclosing at a press briefing that he had obtained a
classified document about visa issues.

Robertson also advocated bombing the State Department during a June interview
with Mowbray.

``Well, it looks like Congress had better do something, and maybe we need a
very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up,`` Robertson
said.

The Christian evangelist regularly condemns the State Department as a rogue
element he says consistently undermines U.S. policies and the principles of
freedom.

``It`s like an entrenched bureaucracy that has their own agenda, and it
doesn`t comport with the will of the American people. How do we get rid of them?``
he said during the June interview.


In a July broadcast of ``The 700 Club,`` Robertson accused the State
Department of supporting Muslim rebels who opposed the Liberian government headed by
Charles Taylor.

Robertson, a Bush supporter who has financial interests in Liberia, said he
believed the State Department has ``mismanaged the situation in nation after
nation after nation`` in Africa.

``So we`re undermining a Christian, Baptist president to bring in Muslim
rebels to take over the country,`` he said during the July broadcast.

Why Bush Will Fail in Iraq Failures DO nOT deter USA Vietnamese colossal loss million Vietnamese MURDERED for no fault but to be in there OWN country without interference of DominoTheory (a theory is NOT Fact and only as good as the brain of Irish potaoe mine refugee can be ) But even after murdere of Millions Asians Cambodia to Vietcong it survives in Tangible materialistc and military wealth power SENSE .... Its another matter hat 78 Thousand Soldiers family still mourn there son husband Fasthers suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome .. But if you Are Waiting endlessly for USA Rt wing Bush to ADMIT .. They ill never.. There are Always to Buy Victory just as laurel honour and Prestige can and are bought SO WILL AMERICA P.S. but on cost effectiveness this Iraq intervention on behalf of `Balfour ` Defence .. survivor and presence Insurance And GUARANTEE is MOST EXPENSIVE DEAL for 270 Millions AMERICANS

Boston
#8 by ballukhan on October 10, 2003 10:01pm PT
Thanks Bina, pre 9/11 this was America where even the guys like atta mohammed could have roamed around freely without beng discriminated because of their being muslims,...Islamists like them have sc***ed up theirs and our destiny for ever.......

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Slanderer ,rascist ,profiler and inept professional..

I know Ata and others are PROBLEM

But Boston stranglers did not make life hell for all Irish Catholics ??
or stop all women t abandon nursingand workngat night?

or Police did not go paronoid biserk like the whole country ?

And ho uses a SLEDGE HAMMER to kill an IRRITating fly ?

Boston 8 by ballukhan on October 10, 2003 10:01pm PT Thanks Bina, pre 9/11 this was America where even the guys like atta mohammed could have roamed around freely without beng discriminated because of their being muslims,...Islamists like them have sc***ed up theirs and our destiny for ever....... ..................... Slanderer ,racist ,profiler and inept professional.. I know Ata and others are PROBLEM But Boston stranglers did not make life hell for all Irish Catholics ?? or stop all women to abandon nursingand workngat night? or Police did not go paranoid biserk like the whole country ? And WHO uses a SLEDGE HAMMER to kill an IRRITating fly ?