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Are Secularism and Islam Incompatible?
``Are Secularism and Islam Incompatible?``
Its lke saying Ashwaria rai and Salman Khan Compatible ???
Depends
Wait and see .....
Some say they have already done it !!!!!
Thensome Maharahtrian ?kokini wuillswaer that Bunta tribe of her will never let her marry a MUSLIM?
With so many divergent opinions until you live long enough to see both of thenm die before you .THERE IS ALWAYS APOSSIBILITY that THAT CAN HAPPEN !
Posted by
Fosa
Oct 31, 2003 06:21 pm
#6#5#4``Are Secularism and Islam Incompatible?``
Its lke saying Ashwaria rai and Salman Khan Compatible ???
Depends
Wait and see .....
Some say they have already done it !!!!!
Thensome Maharahtrian ?kokini wuillswaer that Bunta tribe of her will never let her marry a MUSLIM?
With so many divergent opinions until you live long enough to see both of thenm die before you .THERE IS ALWAYS APOSSIBILITY that THAT CAN HAPPEN !
Jaipur Dreams
Noakhali preceded partitionand can be Considered a factor causing it ..
How long Noakhali Godhra is to be treated as
``Who do you think we are. Chhakkes??
When again and again we get provoked....
Well.
Yogiraj patil``
That is THE PROBLEM!!!!!!
No matter how angry or frustrated you may think untill unless like declaring your self
Al Qeida or OUT LAW robinhood or DESH DROHI out cast
YOU CANNOT USE GOVT machinery for RETALIATIONNS ,vengence or even genuine vilolence legetemised by sovreiginity ..
Posted by
Fosa
Oct 31, 2003 06:21 pm
Godhra is not a novel unique incident Noakhali preceded partitionand can be Considered a factor causing it ..
How long Noakhali Godhra is to be treated as
``Who do you think we are. Chhakkes??
When again and again we get provoked....
Well.
Yogiraj patil``
That is THE PROBLEM!!!!!!
No matter how angry or frustrated you may think untill unless like declaring your self
Al Qeida or OUT LAW robinhood or DESH DROHI out cast
YOU CANNOT USE GOVT machinery for RETALIATIONNS ,vengence or even genuine vilolence legetemised by sovreiginity ..
The new face of US Warfare
#8
ARJUN
we understand your INFO....
``There were more Americans marching against the war than muslims...The jewish deli owner from Brooklyn was more likely to be in an anti-war demonstration than maulana urstruly or you...
++
A good example is Bill Mayer of Politically Incorrect. He is actually quite pro-US wars, and is himself Jewish.
++
That`s Bill Maher: And he`s catholic, not jewish...only his mother was jewish..he was raised catholic..
++
Even he lost his whole career, and his show was cancelled``
WE KNOW ALL THAT
Dont hink we care who is Jewish and who isnt
WE DO NOT ......donot have any enmity for jewish fauth judeoism [or Mrs Dean who is also jewish or mrs Dukakis who was also jewish though alcoholic too...]
Any body who riggs the propoganda on eve of ELECTIONS only of ARNOLD the termionators Austrian heritage
or father being Nazi soldier
(so were Bill maher JohnStewart And Bill Moyers ancestors despite being Jewish )
or hollywood groping etcetc by joker John stewrt Bill maher Feinstein and Arianna Hoffington
so its the ISM namely zionism Balfour and IsrA$$el ism hidden Fenstein behind Democrat and Rush limbough Pat the Rat hidden behind Reublican THAT WE KNOW but YOU don`t
Dont give geneology we can find that out ifTHAT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT INFOPRMATION..we read JRW and Wall st.JOURNAL ,wash TIMES (NOT post)
We dont care if your muslim or Hindu Jacob ....it isnt jewish hindu islamic christian but use of them to annihilate peoples...!!
millions of muslims have died only ...
it used to millions of non muslims kiling each other ww2 (50 milions)
Vietnam (cuople millions )
But i am suire there will be Millions will be called from now on
and BY muslims b/c of Zionism !!!!
Posted by
Fosa
Oct 30, 2003 08:02 pm
#8
ARJUN
we understand your INFO....
``There were more Americans marching against the war than muslims...The jewish deli owner from Brooklyn was more likely to be in an anti-war demonstration than maulana urstruly or you...
++
A good example is Bill Mayer of Politically Incorrect. He is actually quite pro-US wars, and is himself Jewish.
++
That`s Bill Maher: And he`s catholic, not jewish...only his mother was jewish..he was raised catholic..
++
Even he lost his whole career, and his show was cancelled``
WE KNOW ALL THAT
Dont hink we care who is Jewish and who isnt
WE DO NOT ......donot have any enmity for jewish fauth judeoism [or Mrs Dean who is also jewish or mrs Dukakis who was also jewish though alcoholic too...]
Any body who riggs the propoganda on eve of ELECTIONS only of ARNOLD the termionators Austrian heritage
or father being Nazi soldier
(so were Bill maher JohnStewart And Bill Moyers ancestors despite being Jewish )
or hollywood groping etcetc by joker John stewrt Bill maher Feinstein and Arianna Hoffington
so its the ISM namely zionism Balfour and IsrA$$el ism hidden Fenstein behind Democrat and Rush limbough Pat the Rat hidden behind Reublican THAT WE KNOW but YOU don`t
Dont give geneology we can find that out ifTHAT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT INFOPRMATION..we read JRW and Wall st.JOURNAL ,wash TIMES (NOT post)
We dont care if your muslim or Hindu Jacob ....it isnt jewish hindu islamic christian but use of them to annihilate peoples...!!
millions of muslims have died only ...
it used to millions of non muslims kiling each other ww2 (50 milions)
Vietnam (cuople millions )
But i am suire there will be Millions will be called from now on
and BY muslims b/c of Zionism !!!!
Kahan Se Aap Zamaney Ke Bad Aye Hain
If you wish you can carry the discussion into a THESIS as Poonam has done for your Perusal in HER thesis for your thaught ......
http://social.chass.ncsu.edu/jouvert/v1i1/devdas.htm
Devdas: India`s Emasculated Hero,
Sado-Masochism and Colonialism
by
Poonam Arora
University of Michigan, Dearborn
tire va((de par jiye ham to yih jaan jhuu;T jaanaa
kih ;xuushii se mar nah jaate agar i((tibaar hotaa
Posted by
Fosa
Oct 30, 2003 04:44 am
If you wish you can carry the discussion into a THESIS as Poonam has done for your Perusal in HER thesis for your thaught ......
http://social.chass.ncsu.edu/jouvert/v1i1/devdas.htm
Devdas: India`s Emasculated Hero,
Sado-Masochism and Colonialism
by
Poonam Arora
University of Michigan, Dearborn
tire va((de par jiye ham to yih jaan jhuu;T jaanaa
kih ;xuushii se mar nah jaate agar i((tibaar hotaa
Jaipur Dreams
Re : Inquirer # 46
“As for Kashmiri Pandits, those who can not defend themselves and are willing to turn tail and run do not deserve the land they live on. They should have organized the armed resistance against their Islamic oppressors. If that is true.”
I don’t agree! It’s the responsibility of the Indian state to protect the life and property of all its citizens. No Indian should have to organize an armed resistance for these basic needs in life.
Regards,
Faruk
BUT WHAT IS THE CREDIBILITY OF ALREADY FAVOURED (MUSLIM JKASHMIRIS ARE POOREST COMPARED TO PUNDITS BY 5TIMES)PUNDITS WHO FINDS LUCRATIVE TO LOCATE TO METRO REFUGEE LAND THAT DEKLHI HAS BECOME BY FAKING PERSECUTION!!!!!!
I AM A MINORITY TO WHY CANT LIKE INDIAN MUSLIMS
PUNDIT CAN REMAIN PUT WHERE THEY ARE ..
INDIAN MUSLIMS DESPITE BEING KILLED FROM BHAGAL PUR TO RANCHI TO JAMSHEDPUR TO BHIWANDI TO AHMEDA BAD x since 67 And recent GODHRA (Silly as NOAKHALI miniscule town ) REMAIN WHERE THEY ARE EQUALY UNPROTECTED ?????????????????
Posted by
Fosa
Oct 29, 2003 10:00 pm
57 by Faruk on October 29, 2003 4:31pm PTRe : Inquirer # 46
“As for Kashmiri Pandits, those who can not defend themselves and are willing to turn tail and run do not deserve the land they live on. They should have organized the armed resistance against their Islamic oppressors. If that is true.”
I don’t agree! It’s the responsibility of the Indian state to protect the life and property of all its citizens. No Indian should have to organize an armed resistance for these basic needs in life.
Regards,
Faruk
BUT WHAT IS THE CREDIBILITY OF ALREADY FAVOURED (MUSLIM JKASHMIRIS ARE POOREST COMPARED TO PUNDITS BY 5TIMES)PUNDITS WHO FINDS LUCRATIVE TO LOCATE TO METRO REFUGEE LAND THAT DEKLHI HAS BECOME BY FAKING PERSECUTION!!!!!!
I AM A MINORITY TO WHY CANT LIKE INDIAN MUSLIMS
PUNDIT CAN REMAIN PUT WHERE THEY ARE ..
INDIAN MUSLIMS DESPITE BEING KILLED FROM BHAGAL PUR TO RANCHI TO JAMSHEDPUR TO BHIWANDI TO AHMEDA BAD x since 67 And recent GODHRA (Silly as NOAKHALI miniscule town ) REMAIN WHERE THEY ARE EQUALY UNPROTECTED ?????????????????
Why is the West so angry with Dr. Mahathir?
#61 by sattar2 on October 29, 2003 3:36pm PT
... while we are on the subject of “kicking people out”, here is a Maudoodi on dealing with non-practicing Muslims. I am hoping our internet mullah Urstruly will enlighten us … and then we can nominate Maudoodi for nobel peace prize … which may bring the total for the Muslim world to 6 … with Naqshbandi as a possible 7th, for writing erotic poetry while fooling Muslims into believing that he was actually composing a na’at. Back to Maudoodi …
Sattar
BUSH and Rumsfeld both said FREEDOM of SPEECH to BOYNIKS out burst
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From now on no more zionist ahmedie Hindutva nixus bringing Mathahir said thie Araft Said this or Gaddafi or Moudoodi said this Bukhari said this ....
Posted by
Fosa
Oct 29, 2003 04:31 pm
#61 by sattar2 on October 29, 2003 3:36pm PT
... while we are on the subject of “kicking people out”, here is a Maudoodi on dealing with non-practicing Muslims. I am hoping our internet mullah Urstruly will enlighten us … and then we can nominate Maudoodi for nobel peace prize … which may bring the total for the Muslim world to 6 … with Naqshbandi as a possible 7th, for writing erotic poetry while fooling Muslims into believing that he was actually composing a na’at. Back to Maudoodi …
Sattar
BUSH and Rumsfeld both said FREEDOM of SPEECH to BOYNIKS out burst
*************************************************************
From now on no more zionist ahmedie Hindutva nixus bringing Mathahir said thie Araft Said this or Gaddafi or Moudoodi said this Bukhari said this ....
Why is the West so angry with Dr. Mahathir?
side? How many hindus have marched in bombay protesting the palestenian suicide bombing?``
Arjun
On the contrary hindus in bengal Rejoice in THAT ...INQUILAB .more power to Fredom fighter!!!!
Posted by
Fosa
Oct 29, 2003 03:36 pm
#39side? How many hindus have marched in bombay protesting the palestenian suicide bombing?``
Arjun
On the contrary hindus in bengal Rejoice in THAT ...INQUILAB .more power to Fredom fighter!!!!
Jaipur Dreams
#50 by gujjubania on October 29, 2003 10:53am PT.``
``Well , I do work at WIPRO as a system analyst - and I think I work hard enough to deserve the salary that I get. Nobody is doing any favor to me. Thank you very much.
O.K. what if Wipro fired you b/c you are a Gujju and wipro being muslim sympathy was with Muslim victims of Gujrat ...
Now that CAN not be possible b/c India is overwhelmingly suffocatingly pro HIndi majority
..Surrounded all around!!!
What if Minority Muslims in India was subject of Firing by All Parsi, Jew ,East Bengal Hindu And West Punjab Hindu ...AND COULD b/c they were 5 times more powerful than WEAK vulnerable hated despised section of Hostile INDIA????????
Posted by
Fosa
Oct 29, 2003 02:43 pm
#50 by gujjubania on October 29, 2003 10:53am PT.``
``Well , I do work at WIPRO as a system analyst - and I think I work hard enough to deserve the salary that I get. Nobody is doing any favor to me. Thank you very much.
O.K. what if Wipro fired you b/c you are a Gujju and wipro being muslim sympathy was with Muslim victims of Gujrat ...
Now that CAN not be possible b/c India is overwhelmingly suffocatingly pro HIndi majority
..Surrounded all around!!!
What if Minority Muslims in India was subject of Firing by All Parsi, Jew ,East Bengal Hindu And West Punjab Hindu ...AND COULD b/c they were 5 times more powerful than WEAK vulnerable hated despised section of Hostile INDIA????????
Jaipur Dreams
#38 by gujjubania on October 28, 2003 11:02pm PT
Inquirer #24 >>
Illiterate Gujratis Litter my Kolkota in Bhowanipur like the ghetoe of Jewish quarter of poland ..
We bengalis absolutely delisciously and relishly like to `cat call GUJU `as do Maharashtrian IN mumbai
thats why they(maharashtrians) kicked Moraji to his own state seperating maharahtra from Greater Mumbai
like Partition
****************
into isolated corner of Squallor known as GUJJU RAT nOW !!!!!
No Indian nongujrati (like Marwari have one nice word for GUJJU )..shameless
Posted by
Fosa
Oct 29, 2003 02:29 am
#38 by gujjubania on October 28, 2003 11:02pm PT
Inquirer #24 >>
Illiterate Gujratis Litter my Kolkota in Bhowanipur like the ghetoe of Jewish quarter of poland ..
We bengalis absolutely delisciously and relishly like to `cat call GUJU `as do Maharashtrian IN mumbai
thats why they(maharashtrians) kicked Moraji to his own state seperating maharahtra from Greater Mumbai
like Partition
****************
into isolated corner of Squallor known as GUJJU RAT nOW !!!!!
No Indian nongujrati (like Marwari have one nice word for GUJJU )..shameless
Why is the West so angry with Dr. Mahathir?
``Anglo US alliance and their intrigues are the real culprits. Israel is just another pawn in the great game. As it turns out, the gora is better at playing the game and giving a good thrashing to the rest of the world, and muslims happen to be the villain of the moment receiving the bulk of the whipping.``
Given the nervousness of changing statements between Pentagon Rumsfeld and State Dept being given precedence by Bush
Muslims are at the receiving end no doubt and who would bet on without sovereignity or Army GHOST ORGANIZATIONS to even inflict even this much PAIN...
Given the Odds asik ..the shadow organizations have sealed there victory already ..
Anything after that is bonus divident
so
``Dont cry for me Argentina...``!
Posted by
Fosa
Oct 28, 2003 11:21 pm
#15Karuasach ``Anglo US alliance and their intrigues are the real culprits. Israel is just another pawn in the great game. As it turns out, the gora is better at playing the game and giving a good thrashing to the rest of the world, and muslims happen to be the villain of the moment receiving the bulk of the whipping.``
Given the nervousness of changing statements between Pentagon Rumsfeld and State Dept being given precedence by Bush
Muslims are at the receiving end no doubt and who would bet on without sovereignity or Army GHOST ORGANIZATIONS to even inflict even this much PAIN...
Given the Odds asik ..the shadow organizations have sealed there victory already ..
Anything after that is bonus divident
so
``Dont cry for me Argentina...``!
Jaipur Dreams
#30 by ziahmed on October 28, 2003 3:20pm PT
Zia Ahmed ...Double expat
Ever since in Hare Ram Hare Krishna Zeenat Amans Father listens to K.L.Saigal and his ABCD ? Daughter steals 3000$ for drug and randezvous in nepal hippy Days of 70s
I cant feel but feel sorry for Dev Anand(i know Zia Ahmeds favourite hero)
now Octogenria for making a nother Movie on RAVI SHANKAR who like him Stud propelled Nora Jones impregnating and then like Dev Ananad proving how Indian mEn are Hero whom White even dont mind getting impregnated and sing hare Rama Hare Krishna!!!!!!!!!!
Any comment ..
Posted by
Fosa
Oct 28, 2003 11:02 pm
#30 by ziahmed on October 28, 2003 3:20pm PT
Zia Ahmed ...Double expat
Ever since in Hare Ram Hare Krishna Zeenat Amans Father listens to K.L.Saigal and his ABCD ? Daughter steals 3000$ for drug and randezvous in nepal hippy Days of 70s
I cant feel but feel sorry for Dev Anand(i know Zia Ahmeds favourite hero)
now Octogenria for making a nother Movie on RAVI SHANKAR who like him Stud propelled Nora Jones impregnating and then like Dev Ananad proving how Indian mEn are Hero whom White even dont mind getting impregnated and sing hare Rama Hare Krishna!!!!!!!!!!
Any comment ..
Why is the West so angry with Dr. Mahathir?
``: Unfortunately, saadi apni maaN hi bhaiRee ay``......
bUT AS gOOD SON ,and proverbial ,humility hospitality and reverence for the elders ....Do as you think fit and dont get sucked in by fantasy bolly wood dialogue ``mere paas Ma Hai ``
It is hurtful painfull and agonising when your mother is showing favouritism to prodigal Son...
Be like FAucult ....Michel Faucult
But the bad son Birju(brilliantly played by Yacub in Aurat) has another and equally importantside. He does not suffer patiently the landlord’s extortionism - as the Motherand the ‘good’ son do at least to some extent Birju is not merely a ‘rebel’. Heis an ‘outsider’, no respecter of rules. There is a great scene in Aurat. Birjunow grown into an illiterate dacoit, raids the money - lender’s house anddestroys his account books saying. ‘This is the knowledge that has destroyedus’. That insight anticipates the French philosopher, Foucault by nearly twodecades. Foucault remarked
how ‘power’ is built around ‘knowledge’ and howthose outside the charmed circle will always be oppressed
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Posted by
Fosa
Oct 28, 2003 06:03 pm
``: Unfortunately, saadi apni maaN hi bhaiRee ay``......
bUT AS gOOD SON ,and proverbial ,humility hospitality and reverence for the elders ....Do as you think fit and dont get sucked in by fantasy bolly wood dialogue ``mere paas Ma Hai ``
It is hurtful painfull and agonising when your mother is showing favouritism to prodigal Son...
Be like FAucult ....Michel Faucult
But the bad son Birju(brilliantly played by Yacub in Aurat) has another and equally importantside. He does not suffer patiently the landlord’s extortionism - as the Motherand the ‘good’ son do at least to some extent Birju is not merely a ‘rebel’. Heis an ‘outsider’, no respecter of rules. There is a great scene in Aurat. Birjunow grown into an illiterate dacoit, raids the money - lender’s house anddestroys his account books saying. ‘This is the knowledge that has destroyedus’. That insight anticipates the French philosopher, Foucault by nearly twodecades. Foucault remarked
how ‘power’ is built around ‘knowledge’ and howthose outside the charmed circle will always be oppressed
********************************************************
Kahan Se Aap Zamaney Ke Bad Aye Hain
#30 by fara on October 26, 2003 11:31pm PT
Ijaz:
...i have yet to come across a man who would do that heh! they all seem the sort to get up and move on with their lives without ever looking back..``
Dont be so sure of your 20/20 vision .....
``zindagHi sirf mohabbat nahiN kuchh aur bhi hai
zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahiN kuchh aur bhi hai
bhookh aur pyaas ki maari huyi is duniyaa meiN
ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahiN kuchh aur bhi hai``sahir
Just kidding:))
Posted by
Fosa
Oct 28, 2003 12:51 am
#30 by fara on October 26, 2003 11:31pm PT
Ijaz:
...i have yet to come across a man who would do that heh! they all seem the sort to get up and move on with their lives without ever looking back..``
Dont be so sure of your 20/20 vision .....
``zindagHi sirf mohabbat nahiN kuchh aur bhi hai
zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahiN kuchh aur bhi hai
bhookh aur pyaas ki maari huyi is duniyaa meiN
ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahiN kuchh aur bhi hai``sahir
Just kidding:))
Kahan Se Aap Zamaney Ke Bad Aye Hain
#22 by nazarhayatkhan on October 26, 2003 4:16am PT
ZaraJ # 15
(I am sorry testosterones do not intervene here at all. Ok!)
I am not a clinical psychiatrist and could be wrong.
But aren`t testosterons and estrogens, quietly residing below themany velvet covers of love, that actually trigger the emotion of love.
Once again, I could be wrong.
Yes
howso ever as long as you acknowkledge the DIFFERENCE
Venus vs Mars
Oestrogen Vs Testerone
XX Vs Xy chromosome ..etc.etc.
Posted by
Fosa
Oct 27, 2003 04:33 am
#22 by nazarhayatkhan on October 26, 2003 4:16am PT
ZaraJ # 15
(I am sorry testosterones do not intervene here at all. Ok!)
I am not a clinical psychiatrist and could be wrong.
But aren`t testosterons and estrogens, quietly residing below themany velvet covers of love, that actually trigger the emotion of love.
Once again, I could be wrong.
Yes
howso ever as long as you acknowkledge the DIFFERENCE
Venus vs Mars
Oestrogen Vs Testerone
XX Vs Xy chromosome ..etc.etc.
Kahan Se Aap Zamaney Ke Bad Aye Hain
#22 by nazarhayatkhan on October 26, 2003 4:16am PT
ZaraJ # 15
(I am sorry testosterones do not intervene here at all. Ok!)
I am not a clinical psychiatrist and could be wrong.
But aren`t testosterons and estrogens, quietly residing below themany velvet covers of love, that actually trigger the emotion of love.
Once again, I could be wrong.
Yes
howso ever as long as you acknowkledge the DIFFERENCE
Venus vs Mars
Oestrogen Vs Testerone
XX Vs Xy chromosome ..etc.etc.
Posted by
Fosa
Oct 27, 2003 04:33 am
#22 by nazarhayatkhan on October 26, 2003 4:16am PT
ZaraJ # 15
(I am sorry testosterones do not intervene here at all. Ok!)
I am not a clinical psychiatrist and could be wrong.
But aren`t testosterons and estrogens, quietly residing below themany velvet covers of love, that actually trigger the emotion of love.
Once again, I could be wrong.
Yes
howso ever as long as you acknowkledge the DIFFERENCE
Venus vs Mars
Oestrogen Vs Testerone
XX Vs Xy chromosome ..etc.etc.
Diya JalaiN: Light the Lamp
#2 by mumbaikar on October 25, 2003 5:18pm PT
Aap ko Diwali ke shubh avsar par ...
Dont give so many gifts ..
ek Kaamina hai sirf
Stop quoting Foreign elements like
Bernard-Henri Levy
Koenrad Elstd
frances Gauthier ..
All zionist may not be enemy or dangerous but onus of proving Being BENIGN (not Dangerous ) rest With them ...Not unlike ASHCROFTS own standard PREVENT before CONVICT ......
Posted by
Fosa
Oct 26, 2003 03:12 pm
#2 by mumbaikar on October 25, 2003 5:18pm PT
Aap ko Diwali ke shubh avsar par ...
Dont give so many gifts ..
ek Kaamina hai sirf
Stop quoting Foreign elements like
Bernard-Henri Levy
Koenrad Elstd
frances Gauthier ..
All zionist may not be enemy or dangerous but onus of proving Being BENIGN (not Dangerous ) rest With them ...Not unlike ASHCROFTS own standard PREVENT before CONVICT ......
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