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Careless Consciences Maybe The Project would consider explaining what the term `bohra` means before calling people bohra-tohra-whatever..

Looks like The Project is acting too smart for its own good...

Take care...

Careless Consciences This is for the benefit of Shridar mamu..

``Who the hell is Satyendra Dubey?``

Train to Pakistan 2004 - Broad Ways Veeresh bhai , I think you can easily extend your highly informative and perceptive post #77 into a full fledged article in the mainstream media ...

Although I disagree with you on comparing Pakistan to Canada. IMO , China is the USA of the region , India is the Canada and Pakistan is the Mexico...

Careless Consciences What did I tell you NB , she got caught in the cross fire. Collateral damage. Thats what happens when you move around with the wrong people. Keep that in mind sistah...

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quraishi ,

Hmm.. whatever you say genius. But I still dont understand that `hate their guts` part. I prefer to remain anonymous because I`m scared of my dad finding out I waste my time hanging out on various message boards rather than doing something constructive. For you to suggest its because of some fear of muslims or (haha) a missile attack on my house from across the border is so silly !!

By the way , you haven`t thanked me yet for the lessons that I taught you last time...

You still think Pakistan`s ppp per capita income is a `lot higher than that of India`s ?

Careless Consciences Haha...no NB , she wasn`t a terrorist. She was merely sleeping with one (more than one?), and got caught in the crossfire.

Question for Israt`s ammijaan. What the hell was your daughter (supposedly a 19-year old typical conservative lower middle class muslim girl) doing going on a Gujarat tour for 2 days and 2 nights , with 3 men , 2 of whom were Pakistani nationals ?

Oh..I`m sure that was all perfectly normal.

Train to Pakistan 2004 - Broad Ways Veeresh bhai , why does India have to have better relations with Pakistan to `rule the world` ? Freeing the economy from government control and pursuing the holy ideals of LPG -liberalisation , privatisation and globalisation will work a lot better towards achieving that goal...me thinks...

Jeez..get off your pak hangover Sirji.

Train to Pakistan 2004 - Broad Ways ``Am I the only one who thinks Nikki7777 and Gujjubania are the same person? ``

I`ll make this quick stukay. U`re wrong.

Arre bhaiyya I really am tired of this. Everytime a new moron comes over to this website , you people automatically assume thats gujju in disguise. First there was this Shamsul guy , who everybody thought was ol`gujju , and now this nikki-the-tambi.

Train to Pakistan 2004 - Broad Ways But regarding this `Punjabi` debate , while I have nothing against Punjabis and admire the Sikhs for their role in the Indian Army , there is something I would like to bring to notice of this esteemed audience ..



The golden rule of the absentee Delhi landlord - never rent an apartment to a punjabi..coz you`ll never get it back...

Hehehe..

South Indian government servants are the ideal tenants..although the latest trend is to go for MNC executives.

Careless Consciences hehe...looks like this nikki dude is even more of a moron than ol` gujju...

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Anyway , sincere apologies to FV - you are the good sort. I mean it. No doubt about it . Dont listen to what Shridar mamu says...or for that matter what gujju says. I was just trying to shake you up ...(although you can be a little naive like our Sadna Didi here..who makes the point that the economy hasn`t tanked as yet..give it time I say , BJP unfortunately left it in a healthy position...2-3 months will be enuff for our hardworking leftists and socialists - what with 52% reservation for sc/st + obc in private sector , free electricity , subsidies , no disinvestment , re-activation of trade unionism , fiscal irresponsibility etc. etc.)

But the fact of the matter is , had your articles been published in an interactive Indian dominated site , rather than a Pakistani one -like sulekha.com for instance....you would have had to contend with a thousand gujjubanias and arjuns . You can be very easily misunderstood by upper class hindu types.

It is a fact that majority of hindus see Indian muslims as anti-national people pining for the land of the pure. For obvious reasons - reasons I have stated in my many rantings here. I personally have no idea what Indian muslims think like , because I never really have interacted much with them beyond a point. I do play cricket/football every other day with a bunch of muslim students from Bihar/UP , but thats about it. Its only on the internet , safe in the anonymity of it all , that we get to know `what the other guy thinks` , or discuss stuff like hindu , muslim etc.

So the people I interact with , tell me stories about how muslims in Hyderabad fire crackers when Pakistan beats India , wave pakistani flags etc. - and that sort of annoys me a little , and I lash out..

Maybe I call you a traitor etc. etc. , maybe I lash out at you , (and at everybody`s favorite target at sulekha - Zafar) calling you unpatriotic , in the hope I can be rubbished and told - `shut the f.. up , I`m as Indian as you are...`

I mean.. if you are..whats the problem like....


I dont know , but- if the whole hindu-muslim problem in India is just a matter of a communication gap , then it can be sorted out. But if it is more serious than that...then...

Careless Consciences Nikki , cool down on the rhetoric please . I have no time for this south India vs north India nonsense. Hindus of all castes and creed and regions , sikhs and christians of India must realise that our common enemy is the Muslim who happens to be born in India. If we fight each other on such frivolous reasons as yourself and Kaurasach have , it will only embolden the Muslim who happens to be born in India , to wreck India apart along with his brothers from across the border.




Arjun bhai , I have so far never had any disagreement with you , but you are wasting time making a `bad guy` out of me. I have only articulated in a simple language what the average Indian (muslims born in India dont consider themselves to be `Indian`) says about these muslims. We all know what an average Indian hindu/sikh/christian usually says about these muslims.

Their heart brims with hatred for India. Their hatred can be passive (as in the majority) or active (as in the case of the 19 year old girl terrorist from Mumbra (Mini Pakistan) who was shot dead by the police). No wonder an anti-national organisation like SIMI finds so much acceptance among the muslims-born-in-India community.


I`m sure there are a few muslims who feel as Indian as you or I -but thats like 1 or 2% of the total muslims-born-in-India population..

Rest wetdream about the impending destruction of India by Pakistan , with inside help , of course.


(If hindus or sikhs were treacherous creatures plotting against their own country , having links with an enemy country wanting to destroy their own country and having extra-territorial loyalties - I would say the same things about hindus or sikhs as I say about these muslims.. My loyalty is only towards India , not towards any religion/region/language/caste/whatever...only regret is , there are very few Indians like that..)

Careless Consciences I totally disagree with people who brand Indian Muslims as `unpatriotic`. IMHO ,Indian Muslims are an extremely patriotic bunch. Patriotic towards Pakistan , that is...

The self-proclaimed `secularists` are like ostriches , who bury their head in the sand , and refuse to see the obvious.

Most Indian muslims dont really consider themselves to be `Indian`. Majority of IMs may be peace loving , law abiding , and only a tiny section may take to violent means - But the fact is , all of them are actively(SIMI , ISI agents , jihadis) or passively (as in the majority of IMs) , anti-India.

Passive expressions of being anti-India means (as told to me by a journalist based in India)expressing glee when India suffered reverses in the initial stages of the Kargil war in 1999 , refusing to donate a part of their salaries to the welfare fund for the widows of Indian soldiers who died fighting the Pakistanis , while every other colleague , whether hindu/sikh/christian had done so , cheering for Pakistan in cricket - a manifestation of their hatred for India , and love for Pakistan.

Also these people , who get so very offended at what Israelis do to Palistinians , or what USA does to Taliban or Saddam , dont raise an eyebrow whenever Indian soldiers die in Kashmir. Not even one prominent IM or a group of Indian Muslims has come out in protest against the actions of the terrorists in Kashmir. If anything , the common feeling is one of joy , `saala Indian mar gaya` , whenever an Indian soldier dies.

Of course , there are exceptions like Abdul Kalam , Azim Premji. And it is possible that a few muslims in Tamil Nadu and Kerala are integrated into the Indian society and culture , so see themselves as Indians first.

But generally , `Indian` muslims dont really see themselves as `Indian`. Indeed , they are ashamed to be associated with anything to do with a kafeer & jaheel dominated country like India. Proud to muslim - ashamed to be `Indian`. Any muslim who shows patriotism towards India is looked at with suspician and contempt by his own community , ostracised and dismissed as a `hindu spy`. The morally acceptable behaviour for a decent Indian muslim is to love Pakistan , and show contempt for India. Many in Old Delhi ,display Pakistani flags proudly in their drawing rooms.

If you dont believe me , go to any muslim dominated area in Mumbai or Delhi , or rather go the the hostels of Aligarh Muslim University , when an India vs Pakistan match is going on. Generally , crackers are burst , sweets are distributed , Pakistani flags are waved when Pakistan wins , and an air of despondency sets in when Pakistan loses.

This is not some empty headed propaganda that I am making here , but the TRUTH. There was an article in rediff.com about this (written by a muslim writer) , with pictures of AMU students carrying the Pakistani flag and cheering for Pakistan cricket team in the recent India-Pak series.

One might dismiss it as `sport` as seek to explain it as the `immigrant` syndrome , like how Indian immigrants to UK support India over England at cricket.

But is is not so simple. Indian muslims are not immigrants. They lived in India as long as the hindus. Also , India does not send terrorists into UK . India does not sponsor a war against UK in which several british soldiers and civilians have died. Pakistan does that. And still , a significant section of India`s population roots for Pakistan .

This is nothing but a manifestation of the hatred Indian muslims have for India. Gives a clue as to what these gentlemen intend to do in the event of a large scale war breaking out between India and Pakistan.

Its all very easy to say Indian muslims have never sided with Pakistan in any of the wars the the two countries have fought. But fact is , they willed and secretly wished for Pakistan to win each of those wars. Since those wars are relatively minor affairs , as they were fought at the borders , away from towns and cities , away from the civilian populations, there wasn`t a scope for Indian muslims to display their patriotism (towards Pakistan , silly).

In the event of a India-Pakistan war moving to the hinterland , I have absolultely no doubt in my mind that given half a chance or power to do so , the muslims of India will stab India from behind ,and side with their brothers from across the border , killing the hindu jaahils and kafeers enmass , thereby re-establishing the days of Auranzeb and Ghaznavi all over again - stuff of their wetdreams.

This is how it is. Why else do you think muslims localities in Hyderabad/Mumbai shelter ISI agents and anti-India terorists , and obstruct the police from carrying out their duty ?

Why else does an organisation (banned by the GOI) such as SIMI (Student Islamic Movement of India) , with laudable objectives like the `Islamisation of India ` , responsible for various bomb blasts in Mumbai , and whose members trained by our friends across the border in thr art of RDX and IED - find so much support among the muslim community ? Why would the Indian muslim youth join SIMI in such high numbers - 500,000 at last count ? Well - because of their immense patriotism of course - towards Pakistan.

Hindus/sikhs/christians/buddhists of India are fools not to recognise this. India is a lamb waiting to be slaughtered , with relish , may I add.

Careless Consciences arre bhaiyya diyam , thats all very fine...but lets not be naive here. If Indian muslims themselves hate India so much (which they indeed do - almost as much as they love Pakistan) , why do they continue to stay here ?

Unless of course , they have plans of co-ordinating a muslim invasion of India , killing all the kafeer and jaahil idol worhipping devotees of a million gods and goddesses , and thereby ruling over whole of the subcontinent - just like in the days of their heroes Auranzeb and Ghaznavi.

Guess thats the plan.

Careless Consciences Bibiji..I know India sucks. Isiliye tho kahta hoon ki aap pakistan chale jao. Take your people with you - all 160 million of them ( a la Moses) . They deserve better.

Go where your heart lies....follow the heart...come on , you can do it....

(Allah Rocks..)

Careless Consciences An appeal to `Indian` Muslims >> PLEASE LEAVE MY COUNTRY. ALL OF YOU.

I mean , you dont even like it here. So why stay ? Leave !!!

The Secularity of India Yeah yeah yeah ..a few IMs like Ballu Khan etc. are pro-India. But fact is , such people only constitute 1 or 2% of IM population. Even Farzana Versey , who D-M talks so highly about , thought SIMI was an equivalent of BJP`s student wing , ABVP ...and thought it unfair to ban SIMI when ABVP was given a free run..

I mean HELLO !!! They are all in it together.

The Secularity of India I totally disagree with people who brand Indian Muslims as `unpatriotic`. IMHO ,Indian Muslims are an extremely patriotic bunch. Patriotic towards Pakistan , that is...

The self-proclaimed `secularists` are like ostriches , who bury their head in the sand , and refuse to see the obvious.

Most Indian muslims dont really consider themselves to be `Indian`. Majority of IMs may be peace loving , law abiding , and only a tiny section may take to violent means - But the fact is , all of them are actively(SIMI , ISI agents , jihadis) or passively (as in the majority of IMs) , anti-India.

Passive expressions of being anti-India means (as told to me by a journalist based in India)expressing glee when India suffered reverses in the initial stages of the Kargil war in 1999 , refusing to donate a part of their salaries to the welfare fund for the widows of Indian soldiers who died fighting the Pakistanis , while every other colleague , whether hindu/sikh/christian had done so , cheering for Pakistan in cricket - a manifestation of their hatred for India , and love for Pakistan.

Also these people , who get so very offended at what Israelis do to Palistinians , or what USA does to Taliban or Saddam , dont raise an eyebrow whenever Indian soldiers die in Kashmir. Not even one prominent IM or a group of Indian Muslims has come out in protest against the actions of the terrorists in Kashmir. If anything , the common feeling is one of joy , `saala Indian mar gaya` , whenever an Indian soldier dies.

Of course , there are exceptions like Abdul Kalam , Azim Premji. And it is possible that a few muslims in Tamil Nadu and Kerala are integrated into the Indian society and culture , so see themselves as Indians first.

But generally , `Indian` muslims dont really see themselves as `Indian`. Indeed , they are ashamed to be associated with anything to do with a kafeer & jaheel dominated country like India. Proud to muslim - ashamed to be `Indian`. Any muslim who shows patriotism towards India is looked at with suspician and contempt by his own community , ostracised and dismissed as a `hindu spy`. The morally acceptable behaviour for a decent Indian muslim is to love Pakistan , and show contempt for India. Many in Old Delhi ,display Pakistani flags proudly in their drawing rooms.

If you dont believe me , go to any muslim dominated area in Mumbai or Delhi , or rather go the the hostels of Aligarh Muslim University , when an India vs Pakistan match is going on. Generally , crackers are burst , sweets are distributed , Pakistani flags are waved when Pakistan wins , and an air of despondency sets in when Pakistan loses.

This is not some empty headed propaganda that I am making here , but the TRUTH. There was an article in rediff.com about this (written by a muslim writer) , with pictures of AMU students carrying the Pakistani flag and cheering for Pakistan cricket team in the recent India-Pak series.

One might dismiss it as `sport` as seek to explain it as the `immigrant` syndrome , like how Indian immigrants to UK support India over England at cricket.

But is is not so simple. Indian muslims are not immigrants. They lived in India as long as the hindus. Also , India does not send terrorists into UK . India does not sponsor a war against UK in which several british soldiers and civilians have died. Pakistan does that. And still , a significant section of India`s population roots for Pakistan .

This is nothing but a manifestation of the hatred Indian muslims have for India. Gives a clue as to what these gentlemen intend to do in the event of a large scale war breaking out between India and Pakistan.

Its all very easy to say Indian muslims have never sided with Pakistan in any of the wars the the two countries have fought. But fact is , they willed and secretly wished for Pakistan to win each of those wars. Since those wars are relatively minor affairs , as they were fought at the borders , away from towns and cities , away from the civilian populations, there wasn`t a scope for Indian muslims to display their patriotism (towards Pakistan , silly).

In the event of a India-Pakistan war moving to the hinterland , I have absolultely no doubt in my mind that given half a chance or power to do so , the muslims of India will stab India from behind ,and side with their brothers from across the border , killing the hindu jaahils and kafeers enmass , thereby re-establishing the days of Auranzeb and Ghaznavi all over again - stuff of their wetdreams.

This is how it is. Why else do you think muslims localities in Hyderabad/Mumbai shelter ISI agents and anti-India terorists , and obstruct the police from carrying out their duty ?

Why else does an organisation (banned by the GOI) such as SIMI (Student Islamic Movement of India) , with laudable objectives like the `Islamisation of India ` , responsible for various bomb blasts in Mumbai , and whose members trained by our friends across the border in thr art of RDX and IED - find so much support among the muslim community ? Why would the Indian muslim youth join SIMI in such high numbers - 500,000 at last count ? Well - because of their immense patriotism of course - towards Pakistan.

Hindus/sikhs/christians/buddhists of India are fools not to recognise this. India is a lamb waiting to be slaughtered , with relish , may I add.