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#26 by hamidm2 on January 10, 2005 5:44pm PT
...... this is ridiculous !......... there should be a complete ban on travel of any kind between the two countries and violaters should be treated as traitors ..

.................HEAR!HEAR!.......a Pak who thinks like i do....

Aftermath #2 by doublec on January 7, 2005 8:30pm PT
India has refused any help from the outside world. This no doubt shows that India is self sufficient in looking after itself or is it?
Being an outsider i would like to know:

............What the???..Why should a canadian health minidtaer who happens to be of indian origin, be ``MET`` by an indian official when he visits the land of his ancestors to offer his assistance , at a time of a natural disaster.I`m sure all indians will be appreciative, but they and their government have refused outside assistance.In fact , India has given $25 million each to Srilanka and Indonesia, and the bulk of relief work in Srilanka and Maldives is being carried out by the Indian Navy.A couple of links will help you know what`s going on there........

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=62433

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=62426

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=62488

Let the People Meet I can`t believe this!!!.The Indian govt. refuses Annan permission to enter India but they allow pak`s.Sacrilege!!

New Delhi says polite no to Kofi request for TN visit


Tsunami: UN Secy Gen wanted to visit the tsunami-hit but India turned it down, fearing it would open floodgates for VIP visits

INDIAN EXPRESS
C. RAJA MOHAN


Posted online: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 at 0000 hours IST



NEW DELHI, JANUARY 10: Reinforcing the message that it is fully capable of dealing with the domestic consequences of the tsunami on its own, India politely turned down a request last week from the U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan to visit Tamil Nadu.

After attending the tsunami summit in Jakarta last Thursday, Annan has been visiting the badly affected regions in Indonesia, Sri Lanka and Maldives. Annan’s office apparently expressed a desire on the part of the Secretary General to see relief work in India.



The Manmohan Singh government, which has been discouraging its own ministers from travelling to the tsunami-affected areas, was in no mood to have a high-profile international visitor like Kofi Annan adding to burden of the local administration.

It is also being pointed out that once the doors are opened to one foreign visitor, there will be no end to similar requests from other international personalities.

More important, the government is determined to stay with the message that no foreign involvement is necessary in the massive relief effort under way in various states.

Following the tsunami strike, New Delhi had rejected offers of assistance from other governments.

Amidst widespread criticism of its policy, the government clarified that it had adequate resources to deal with the immediate task of relief and that it would consider taking international aid when it comes to reconstruction and modernisation of coastal infrastructure.

The government also made it clear that contributions to the non-governmental organisations in India would be permitted. It also said India’s long-standing partnership with the UN agencies already working in India on humanitarian assistance would continue.

Sources here insist that the decision to discourage Annan had nothing to do with the past record of frosty relations between New Delhi and the UNSG.

During his many visits to the United Nations in New York as Prime Minister during 1998-2003, Atal Behari Vajpayee did not meet Annan.

During his maiden visit during September 2004 to the United Nations Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had an amiable and productive meeting with Annan. The decision to turn down Annan’s request to visit Tamil Nadu, sources say, was in consonance with the firm policy decision not to lend any international dimension to the tsunami relief effort at home.

Annan has wound up his travel today in Male, the capital of Maldives. He is heading to Geneva where an international conference convened by the United Nations will discuss aid commitments to the tsunami-affected nations.

The Tsunami Disaster 73 by M.B.Z.Isphahani on January 11, 2005 7:19am PT
...................................................................................you`re just a frustrated, jealous ,dopey bangladeshi.......


India’s quality of mercy
But New Delhi has yet to evolve a cogent policy of giving aid
C. RAJA MOHAN

Posted online: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 at 0000 hours IST


The quality of mercy, Shakespeare wrote, is not strained. It is twice blessed. He went on: “It blesseth him that gives, and him that takes”. The tsunami disaster, one of the worst natural calamities in recent memory, has brought an outpouring of aid from governments and people across the world.

Within the nation itself, as the Express reported, citizens have given as never before. In less than two weeks Indians have contributed nearly as much as over a year to the Prime Minister’s Relief Fund when a massive earthquake hit Gujarat four years ago.

Meanwhile, India’s lack of grace in handling offers of international assistance for the tsunami victims seems bipartisan. The Vajpayee government reacted in the same manner after the earthquake in Gujarat in 2001 by saying “thanks, but no thanks”. This new trend on foreign aid suggests a certain sense of “growing up” on India’s part and a presumed determination to stand on its feet. While the sentiment is welcome, there is no running away from the fact that India will continue to need a lot of external resources, in the form of aid, loans, or investment, for its development.

The political controversy over New Delhi’s refusal to accept aid for immediate disaster relief has masked an important new trend: India’s emergence as an aid donor. Its rapid economic growth since the early ’90s has pushed it into a paradoxical position on international aid. New Delhi will remain doubly blessed when it comes to foreign aid. It will continue to receive aid, albeit in declining annual doses. Meanwhile India’s own aid to other countries will continue to grow.

It is that second trend that deserves some policy attention. At the IMF, India has now become a creditor nation signaling its desire to be taken more seriously in the politics of global finance. India, of course, has given aid from the very early years of the Republic. Bhutan and Nepal have received substantive sums of assistance over the decades from the external affairs ministry. India’s role as an aid giver, however, has gone beyond the traditional responsibility towards Bhutan and Nepal. A couple of years ago, it announced a credit line of US $200 million to the New Partnership for Africa’s Development (NEPAD). Last year, India announced a US$ 500 million credit line for nine West African countries called Team 9. New Delhi has smaller credit lines to many countries in India’s extended neighbourhood in South East Asia, Central Asia, the Persian Gulf and Africa.

After the fall of the Taliban, India has given impressive assistance to the Hamid Karzai government in Kabul. The present exposure of Indian aid to Afghanistan spread over some years is to the tune of US$ 400 million. In the year ’03-’04, India spent nearly US $380 mn on grants and loans to foreign governments. In an important political gesture in 2003, India also wrote off the debt owed to it by seven African countries amounting to nearly US$ 20 million. It has also begun to give substantive defence-related assistance to a few friendly nations and provides significant military assistance to Nepal in fighting the Maoist insurgency.

In short, resource outflow from India, in the form of international assistance has become significant in recent years. But much of that aid is decided and disbursed in an ad hoc manner. Neither is there an articulation of an over-arching set of objectives nor a mechanism to effectively manage India’s aid-giving. An attempt was made in the ’03 budget speech by the then finance minister, Jaswant Singh, to give some coherence to the process, when he unveiled the India Development Initiative (IDI). It was meant to reflect India’s new ability and commitment to advance the development of others. Jaswant Singh promised to reconsider the policy of offering loans and lines of credit and replace it with a scheme to provide grants and project assistance. Barring the debt relief offered to seven African countries, very little came out of the IDI. In ’04, new finance minister P. Chidambaram held back on the IDI pending a review of the concept.

One hopes Chidambaram would remember, when he makes his budget presentation this year, his promise to review the notions behind the IDI and come up with a broad set of guidelines for India’s external aid. In doing so, he will have to resolve some of the contradictions inherent in India’s aid-giving.

At the core of any new approach must be the recognition that external assistance has become an important tool of India’s foreign and commercial policy as well as a broader means to contribute to the economic development of other nations. As India gives more, it will be liable to the same accusations — political motivation and commercial interests — that New Delhi used to level against Western donors in the past. While India rejects tied aid from Western nations, its lines of credit do exactly the same in promoting Indian exports and the interests of Indian companies which are increasingly registering their presence abroad.

Some of this criticism is rooted in the reality of India moving away from a mere third world recipient of aid to a potentially significant donor. But as it seeks to assume a growing international responsibility amidst rapid economic growth, it must increase the component of its untied aid and demonstrate that the IDI is not an export subsidy to the Indian industry. In intent and execution, the IDI must be about facilitating the development of less-fortunate nations.

India’s external aid must now include larger amounts of developmental as well as humanitarian assistance without any strings attached. The Indian private sector, too, could contribute significantly in this effort.

As India begins to draw less from the global aid pool and contributes a little more, there is an urgent need to define the objectives of India’s assistance, locate the geographic priorities of its destination, identify the sectors where the biggest impact can be made, devise competent structures for aid administration at home and find ways to involve the non-governmental organisations.

Indians are ready to give. But India is yet to develop a policy on giving. As it begins to offer more to the world, it must recall the bard’s reference to the greatest quality of mercy: “It is an attribute to God himself; And earthly power doth then show likest God’s; When mercy seasons justice”.

What Does It Mean to be a Muslim in a Secular Country? Joke of an article.Why bother??.

Point of View, 1971 Through Now #182 by mannyd on January 10, 2005 1:28pm PT.

................Fair question.Punjabis, whither pak or indian, hindu,sikh, muslim or christian are responsible for most of the bloodshed in the indian subcontinent.The blood of thousands of indians killed in kashmir is on the hands of the pak-punjabi muslims.The blood of thousands of sikhs killed in Delhi is on the hands of pak-punjabi hindus and their cohorts.The corrupt and criminal elements in indian society have their roots in the peoples of the Punjab and Sindh, both territories now in pakistan.I could go on and on.The RAWspy who betrayed India and fled to the US is a pak-punjabi hindu whose family was given sanctuary in India due to the magnanimity of the indian people when his own people were butchering him and his kind in cold blood.He repayed India by betraying it.To call him an ungrateful dog would be to qualify him.Thoo.

Let the People Meet Let the people meet???.......This excerpt from an article in BBC News has convinced me that the twain should never , ever meet.You paks.Can never accept playing second fiddle to indians, can you?.Well, if you can`t then the twain cam never meet.........This further proves my premise............

Hasan Zaidi, an independent film-maker and director of the Karachi-based film festival, Kara, points to other developments that are likely to make the governments think twice before trying to bring such activity to a halt.

Nazr, an Indian movie starring Pakistani screen diva Mira, is due for release and is likely to be screened in both countries soon.

Indian film-maker Mahesh Bhatt told Kara participants at a seminar during the festival that had it not been for such cultural meets, the film would probably never have happened.

More importantly, the opening up of borders on this scale has led some Indian film distributors to look at Pakistan as a potential market for Indian movies.

At present, distributors have divided all of India into 13 territories for distribution purposes. Pakistan potentially offers a market larger than any of these.

``Mumbai and Uttar Pradesh, currently the two largest territories, currently dictate the content emerging from Bollywood,`` says Mr Zaidi. ``If Pakistan becomes the 14th territory, it may only be a matter of time before it will start dictating content.``

........................Hasan Zaidi can s**k my p**n*s

Point of View, 1971 Through Now Whad` i tell y`all?.Pak-punjabi hindus are bad news.Always stirring up somethin` somewhere.Like this article.What`s the point?.Somethings just never seem to change.

The Tsunami Disaster 60 by M.B.Z.Isphahani on January 9, 2005 11:06pm PT

............You really are overdosing ain`t ya?.And looks to me like yer brethren in Egypt are spendin` way too much time on the hookah pipe.Get a grip!!!.Nature is brutal and cruel, in other words , a big b*tch.In 1935 there was an earthquake in karachi.It could happen again.People just pick up the pieces and move on whenever tragedy strikes.That`s all there is to it.As far as India is concerned, i`m all a-tingle right now, mon paysan.I heard with mine own two years , India being referred to as a ``great power`` by Pat Buchanan,McLaughlin and other political figures in the US,when commentating how India has coped with the tsunami tragedy, in terms of not only refusing outside monetary aid but also providing monetary aid and relief to Sri Lanka and Indonesia..Something that the worms who occupy lands either side of India can never bring themselves to acknowledge.You too.

Moving to an Alien Land My man......get a grip on......you left your home because you wanna screw around without any angst, didn`t ya?....like there isn`t enough of that going on in bharat mata`s land.....we abcd`s go to india to F around.....and i do believe tis` the other way around for the children of bharat mataji...So, why don`t you just F your way around OZ....and just be, fer crissakes.Why waste your time meeting the very people you ran away from and miss out on all the new experiences in your life?.You live only once and each day makes you older, but not necessarily wiser!.If you find yourself gravitating to the very people you ran away from in an alien land, then maybe you shouldn`t have ran away in the first place!!.You should have just stayed where you are and gone visiting like most indians.And, that`s not a bad thing at all.

Let the People Meet I don`t want to be cautionary, but i do believe that the time is not yet right for allowing open access between India and Pakistan.In fact, till India crosses the threshhold from a developing to a more developed country, it should be very wary of it`s neighbors.In typical south asian fashion, friends ,relatives and neighbors, instead of being a source of support are more than often a source of stress.Good fences make good neighbors.And a ferocious dog will keep the relatives away.Common sense approach to surviving in south Asia.

The Tsunami Disaster As an Indian-American moi is tres` baffled???.Such a land of contradictions.On the one hand,progress.On the other hand people scrounging around......What gives??.

India races to top in passenger vehicle growth
NANDINI SEN GUPTA

TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ THURSDAY, JANUARY 06, 2005 12:34:50 AM]
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NEW DELHI: India’s 25% growth in passenger vehicles in calendar ’04 puts it right on top of the auto growth heap. Outstripping China’s estimated 15% growth in ’04, India’s 1,044,597 unit tally makes it the fastest growing volume market for passenger vehicles.

While the saturated developed markets of the US, Europe and Japan continue to remain flat, auto analysts say India’s chances of staying ahead of the pack in the new year are also bright, given that China’s government mandated interest curbs will likely dampen demand there.

Said Dilip Chenoy, director general, Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers: “The current calendar’s growth should continue in the new year provided the economic environment holds up.”

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/981905.cms

The Tsunami Disaster 39 by HP on January 6, 2005 11:08pm PT
The headlines from IE


..............I read the same article yesterday and i AM ashamed of my fellow indian tamils.Contrast the Srilankan tamils , who despite constraints have done a bang up job of providing relief.Also, check out www.ndtv.com for more displays of despicable behaviour by people trying to profit from another`s misery.But then again, one man`s misfortune is another`s opportunity, is what some would argue.The world is a cruel place and nature above all shows no mercy to no one.I want to emigrate to Mars.

Reforming Pakistan’s Universities -- II It would be a major breakthrough if
Indian and Iranian teachers could be brought to Pakistan. Indians, in particular, would find it much easier to adapt to local ways and customs than others and also have smaller salary expectations. The huge pool of strong Indian candidates could be used to Pakistan`s advantage - it could pick the best teachers and researchers, and those most likely to make a positive impact on the system. In the present mood of rapprochement, it is hard to think of a more meaningful confidence building measure.

.......................HOHO............Sure!!.I hope New Delhi hears this.This will be the perfect excuse to send back the venal, perfidious and treacherous pak-punjabi hindus back to where they belong.Yeah.I`m sure eductaed indians are salivating at the prospect of living in pakistan.Oh yeah!.

Point of View, 1971 Through Now Mr.Veeresh.......you gainfully employed , right??.......right??.....

Myths about the Golden Age of Islam 182 by taqat-e-parvaaz on January 6, 2005 10:59am PT
#178 .


.............C`mon T-e-P.....all those f*reskin fantasies you refuse to admit to?....we understand.....it`s ok.....