Islam, Marathons and Choice

I think tht th marathon of women is allowed in proper dresses in closed ways where there is no chance of a men to see women due to sexual attraction between men & women which so much dangerous then not doing marathons. Islam wants a peacful & clean environment.

Extract from Country Report for 2005:

Ahmadis, who number three-four million in Pakistan, are prevented by law from engaging in the full practice of their faith. The Constitution of Pakistan declares members of the Ahmadi religious community to be “non-Muslims,” despite their insistence to the contrary. Barred by law from “posing” as Muslims, Ahmadis may not call their places of worship “mosques,” worship in non-Ahmadi mosques or public prayer rooms which are otherwise open to all Muslims, perform the Muslim call to prayer, use the traditional Islamic greeting in public, publicly quote from the Koran, or display the basic affirmation of the Muslim faith. It is also illegal for Ahmadis to preach in public, to seek converts, or to produce, publish, and disseminate their religious materials. Ahmadis have been arrested and imprisoned for terms of up to three years for all of the above acts, and they are reportedly subject to ill treatment from prison authorities and fellow prisoners. Because they are required to register to vote as non-Muslims, a policy that was reaffirmed by Pakistani government officials in February 2004, Ahmadis who refuse to disavow their claim to being Muslims are effectively disenfranchised. The one potentially positive development, the December 2004 abolition of the religion column in Pakistani passports, thereby, among other advances, enabling Ahmadis to participate in the hajj, was derailed the following March, when members of a government ministerial committee decided to restore the column. The decision reportedly came after religious parties demonstrated against the change. There continues to be no indication that the current government intends to institute any reforms to the anti-Ahmadi laws.

Prescribed penalties for blasphemy include death for whoever “defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad” and life imprisonment for whoever “willfully defiles, damages, or desecrates a copy of the holy Koran.” Blasphemy allegations, which are often false, result in the lengthy detention of, and sometimes violence against, Ahmadis, Christians, Hindus, and members of other religious minorities, as well as Muslims on account of their religious beliefs. The negative impact of the blasphemy laws is further compounded by the lack of due process involved in these proceedings. In addition, during blasphemy trials, Islamic militants often pack the courtroom and make public threats about the consequences of an acquittal. Such threats have proven credible, since they have sometimes been followed by violence. Although no one has yet been executed by the state under the blasphemy laws, some persons have been sentenced to death. Several accused under the blasphemy laws have been attacked, even killed, by vigilantes, including while in police custody; those who escape official punishment or vigilante attack are sometimes forced to flee the country. Others have died in police custody under allegedly suspicious circumstances. In December 2004, an Ahmadi was given a life sentence and a heavy fine for purported blasphemous statements. In January 2005, a Christian was acquitted of blasphemy charges; however, he remains in hiding due to death threats from extremists. Following an abortive attempt in 2000 at introducing procedural reforms, the Musharraf government has made no further effort to reform, much less repeal, the blasphemy laws. Although they were amended in October 2004 with the aim of reducing the more maliciously applied charges, the procedural changes called for will not likely have a significant affect on the way the blasphemy laws are exploited in Pakistan.

Salim (#63):

I appreciate your kind comments. But let’s not be sad. Life can be a struggle of sorts at times. Some battles are won, some are lost … and the rest is history. I am certain that over time truth will prevail over oppression, compassion over hatred, and patience over fanaticism.

As Ahmadi-Muslims (as well as I at a personal level) our love and loyalties remain with people of Pakistan. Rather, we remain committed to bringing about peace, harmony, and prosperity to the entire mankind, regardless of people’s beliefs, ethnicity, or any other distinction. A day will come when the people of Pakistan as a whole will embrace their Ahmadi brothers … and hatred and propaganda will yield to mutual affection and love. So we have to keep trying ... and Allah Almighty will do His part as He sees fit.

No nation can rise to the height of glory unless your women are side
by side with you. We are victims of evil customs. It is a crime against
humanity that our women are shut up within the four walls of their houses
as prisoners. There is no sanction anywhere for the deplorable conditions
in which our women have to live. You should take your women along with you
as comrades in every sphere of life.``


-- Mohammad Ali Jinnah (Founder of Pakistan)

This is Ajeya.

As most of you have probably noticed, ALL my posts are being filtered.

There cannot be ANY basis for filtering ALL my posts, since irrelevent and offensive posts are abundant on this website - starting with Behram. The other point, of course, is that ALL my posts are in RESPONSE to other posts.


This is a good illustration of why democracy will NEVER come to ANY Islamic country (Turkey, for example, is not a true democracy).

This is a low-class site with pseudo-intellectuals like Mantolives spouting endless garbage about topics like an ISlamic, Secular, and Modern Pakistan. Talk about contradictions!

The editor, of course, takes the cake - left wing radical Islamic nutcase with a zero talent in English writing skills.

Anyway, carry on your endless garbage.

And Arjun, carry on the good work!

Goodbye

Sattar2 #61 {`` It is ironic that while you consider yourself a Muslim and me a non-Muslim, you want me, an alleged kaffir, to first follow the spirit of Hudabiyyah. Where is your spirit of Islam … ? I wonder …

- Furthermore, if you pay attention you’ll realize that in some ways Ahmadis are already following the Hudabiyyah example. By signing the Hudabiyyah Treaty Muhammad (pbuh) did not accept that he was not a prophet of Allah. Similarly, signing the passport form does not make Ahmadis non-Muslims. Neither does the constitution matter in that regard. It is forced upon Ahmadis … who have amicably agreed … just like the Prophet (pbuh) amicably agreed to Hudabiyyah. Do you see the parallels? ``}


Sattar Sahib,
It saddens me that you have to defend yourself against the stupid passport form and an asinine constitution. Just remember that it was against the law in Alabama for a colored person to drink from a white fountain and attend a white church or sit in the front section of the bus. Sometimes ``the law is an ass.`` I think your attempt to use the Prophet`s (PBUH) example was very noble. Unfortunately, the government of Pakistan is not as noble as you.
My sincere apologies to you and all our Ahmedi brothers for this great injustice brought upon you by the Paki Punjoo PainDoos. If they treat their own Punjabi brethren like this, I am not surprised at their killings of Mohajirs in Karachi and bombing of Baluchis in Baluchistan. Please don`t lose hope. To me you and most Ahmedis are more Muslim than almost all the Mullahs, all the Wahaabis, and most so-called Muslims. Good luck, brother.

Ref Mantolives #60

[``Sher-e-Bangla`` Maulvi Fazlul Haq and Sir Sikandar Hayat were naughty boys of Bengal and Punjab ... who had often broken ranks with the Muslim League... they both moved the resolution...]

With the result reasonably corresponding to their daily attempts at moving their bowels!

Urstruly,

Some afterthoughts on your post #57 …

- It is ironic that while you consider yourself a Muslim and me a non-Muslim, you want me, an alleged kaffir, to first follow the spirit of Hudabiyyah. Where is your spirit of Islam … ? I wonder …

- Furthermore, if you pay attention you’ll realize that in some ways Ahmadis are already following the Hudabiyyah example. By signing the Hudabiyyah Treaty Muhammad (pbuh) did not accept that he was not a prophet of Allah. Similarly, signing the passport form does not make Ahmadis non-Muslims. Neither does the constitution matter in that regard. It is forced upon Ahmadis … who have amicably agreed … just like the Prophet (pbuh) amicably agreed to Hudabiyyah. Do you see the parallels?

- Regarding Hudabiyyah you wrote that … ”Agreeing to this term was tentamount to accepting that Mohammad (pbuh) was not the Prophet of God …”.

Quran calls Muhammad (pbuh) a Prophet of Allah. And being truthful to Allah and his mission, he never compromised on this claim. You are suggesting that Prophet (pbuh) accepted that he was not a prophet of Allah. Are you in your senses … or have you totally lost it?

- Look … all I am asking is that violence against Ahamdis (and everyone else) should be stopped. Is that too much to ask for? You can call me whatever you want … and that’s alright. But must you condone Ahmadis being abused and attacked for their faith? Is this what Islam teaches you?

Urstruly...

Are you suggesting that you, an ignorant mullah of the Maududi kind, knew better than Jinnah who chose the man as his trusted lieutenant?

Zafrullah Chaudhry was an indefatigable crusader for Pakistan and then its status in the world... Arabs, especially Palestinians, worshipped him as the great voice of Arab world... the fact that you are so utterly and shamelessly bigoted and closedminded as to deny his role ... shows that people like you and your daddy General Zia ul Haq (the murderer of freedom fighters) are not just the enemies of Pakistan but enemies of all Muslims - despite your claims to the contrary... you are like Abdullah Bin Sabah... you are like the idiotic, ignorant and fanatical Deobandi Mullahs who stabbed us in the back... and don`t give me sh-it about you suffering under Zia-ul-Haq... you were probably on all fours... and that is not ``suffering``.

And your ignorance of history compares to your rather mediocre exposition in the English language...

``Sher-e-Bangla`` Maulvi Fazlul Haq and Sir Sikandar Hayat were naughty boys of Bengal and Punjab ... who had often broken ranks with the Muslim League... they both moved the resolution for your information... they did not ``author`` it.

As for Pakistani textbooks... I haven`t seen it being stated any other way.

Urstruly,

Even as Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) agreed to Hudabiyyah Treaty, he did not stop calling himself the Prophet of Allah. The point was that … if the Meccan enemy did not consider him a prophet of Allah, that was their choice.

Similarly, you can call us whatever you want … that’s your choice. Ahmadis consider themselves Muslims … and will continue to do so.

Fair enough?

Ahmadis are not looking to be accepted as “Muslims” by you. You’ve got it all wrong. We only wish that violence directed at Ahamdis … men, women, children … their homes and businesses … should be stopped.

Even after the Hudabiyyah treaty was agree to, Meccan enemy continued to engage in hostilities against the dear Prophet (pbuh) and his followers. Similarly, despite claiming that Islam is a religion of peace, your mullahs continue to engage in violence and fanaticism against Ahmadis.

Do you see the parallels? Now that’s the spirit …

Re: # 57

That`s the spirit. The spirit of reconcilliation, that is. Since you have invoked Hudaibiya Pact as an example for the price of peace, I suggest that you set an example by acting on it first. In the name of greater good of your people and others, one thing you can do is to stop calling yourselves as ``Muslims`` and just present yourselves as Quadiani. After all, in Hudaibiya Pact the first objection that Kuffar of Mecca had was that the the verbiage of the pact should be changed from ``This pact is between Meccans and Mohmmad (pbuh) The Prohet of God`` to just ``This pact is between Meccans and Mohammad (pbuh)``. Agreeing to this term was tentamount to accepting that Mohammad (pbuh) was not the Prophet of God. This sort of denied the whole 15 years of struggle by Prophet (pbuh) and the sacrifices that his companions made during that period. But for the greater good and peace Prophet (pbuh) accepted this condition despite vocal protest from his companions.

Similarly, I must re-iterate it for the thousandth time that Muslims in Pakistan and all around world have absolutely no problem with the Quadiani dogma, as long as they do not present it as Islam and do not call themselves Muslims. I don`t think it is that hard to understand - Islam is that religion which Allah has revealed to Muslims thru Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). Any other thing is a new religion.

Urstruly,

I glanced through the web-site the link to which you posted. I am not sure why you refer to it as a “quadiyani hate website”. It documents persecution of Ahmadis and provides some historic details in the context of partition of India … without being hateful or malicious. So I am not sure why it is ticking you off …

Ahmadis have adopted proper methods in dealing with persecution … and I say this as an Ahmadi-Muslim myself. They have placed their trust in Allah Almighty and the message of Quran … and have refused to counter violence with violence, hatred with hatred.

Worldwide Muslim population can learn from this. Dear Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) adopted similar methods when dealing with hatred and violent persecution at the hands of enemies. He migrated from Mecca (the holiest of all places) as was appropriate and did not hesitate to make peace with the enemy, even at most humiliating terms (Hudabiyyah Treaty). Through piety, patience, and dignity … and was able to win over the most bitter enemies of his time.

Worldwide Muslim community of this day has been wronged by other nations and political powers … I agree. But they have wronged themselves, first and foremost, due to internal conflicts, fanaticism, and corruption. The culture of hatred and fanaticism they have nourished over centuries has finally come full circle.

For someone with common sense and sincerity, it is easy to see why Islam (and all other religions) emphasize faith, peace, and perseverance over violence and fanaticism. I fail to see your point … and I guess you fail to see mine. But the difference is that ... while you want to throw me in prison for pretending to be a Muslim, I pray that you and others like you see the light. And this difference in the way we think separates us ...

This quadiyani hate website contends that Zafarullah khan was ONLY asked to look into the Lahore Resolution, assuming that he would opine due to his legal background.

http://www.thepersecution.org/50years/march23.html

I thought, sher-e-bangal Moulvi Fazl-e-Haq was the one who prepared the draft Lahore Resolution. I guess Pakistani text books have been feeding another lie to people of Pakistan since forever. Right?

sattar2..

Urstruly and his ilk are enemies of Pakistan ...

Sir Zafrullah Khan, god bless is soul, was the author of the Lahore Resolution.... infact the Jamaat-Ahmadiya was the first Muslim body in pre-partition India to conduct the geographical survey...

Jinnah trusted Zafrullah Khan more than anyone else in that cabinet... Zafrullah Khan alone understood the Quaid`s world view and effectively echoed it in the UN...

F Zamanov

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