Filming the Prophet

Re: # 32

Do you really beleive what David Icke says. Remeber, he is the person who says that this world is ruled by lizards. To beleive him is even harder to beleive in releigion.

Cheers,

Khalid

NFP
Read your interview on WeCite.net. Good to see that you can be vunerable too. :) How does one get in touch with you?

Re: # 13
Why not make one on Hazrat Ayesha r.a. or are you too old to play her role? :)

Main point is that those humans who played important roles in the establishment of major organized religions were not illiterate and other than the unseen arch angel gabrial, kings and king makers were also among the main architects.

Some historians say that Hazrat Omar (ra) knew most of the quranic ideas, even before they were revealed to holy prophet (pbuh).

Hazrat Ali (ra) was also a great scholar who could read and write and he was a great philosopher and statesman as well.

Holy prophet (pbuh) could read and proof of it is that when ``sul e hudaibia`` agreement was written and infidels of Mecca objected over the wordings of ``Mohammad rasoolullah`` ( Mohammad as a prophet of Allah) in it, then holy prophet (pbuh) asked hazrat Ali (ra) to erase it, and when Hazrat Ali (ra) showed hasitation then holy prophet (pbuh) himself took the pen and erased it.

Before Islam, scholars and philosophers of Mecca believed that supreme deity Al-lah had three daugters namely Lat, Munat and Uzzah.

Holy prophet ( pbuh) came up with a philosophy and defined Allah as a supreme power without any father or child.

Prior to her conversion to Islam,Hazrat Khadija (ra) and her Roman catholic cousin, Hazrat Warqa bin Nofil (ra) who probably never became a believer, believed that Allah or God had Jesus (as) as his only son.

Coming to our Indian roots, some historians believe that Lord Krishna was a strong and wise human being and he was a great womanizer also.

Uptill yesterday I used to carve his statue one day with my own hands and worshippped him as a deity the very next day.

All organised religions are inter connected to each other, and they have their roots in the basic human desire of life and eternity and to have some father like great protector, generally known as god.

Man is indeed a great dreamer, fabricator, carver and worshipper.

Re: # 32

interesting stuff. there are two major problems with this theory:

1) the crusades. I guess the pope started having second thoughts about the Arabs capturing and holding Jerusalem for him?
2) I don`t think Islamic teachings advocate the preference of Christians (or Catholics specifically) over Jews. you could argue mullas teach equal opportunity hate but the real teachings do say that both Jews and Christians are people of the book. but hey, I`m no scholar.

Re: # 31

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......... the only problem might be with fitting in the 14 plus heroines in a three hour film - even if he does three songs with each that is 42 song and dance numbers which will take up more than half the movie .......... oh well, we will let the professionals figure that one out .......``

hahaha.. man you`re really something...

# 32

The Internet is full of all kinds of wackos propounding all kinds of theories. It`s not very alert to put sh%t up for all to read.

If you have some independent reasons to trust that `research` or the theory, please do share...

It is clear that all organised religions were created by smart human beings, kings and kingdoms and they did it in order to strengthen their kingdoms and to control human masses.

This piece of research tells us that Islam was created by Roman Catholics and Vatican and I believe that prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was NOT an illiterate person and he could read and he spent lot of time in the company of Roman catholic scholars.

Hazrat Warqa bin Nofil who was cousin of Hazrat Khadija (ra) was a great Roman catholic scholar who could READ and WRITE hebrew and Arabic in those days and Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) spent lot of time in his company.

Let us see What this Guy Alberto says about the theory that Islam was created by Smart Roman Catholic minds of Vatican, he says:

``The Vatican wanted to create a messiah for the Arabs, someone they could raise up as a great leader, a man with charisma whom they could train, and eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him, creating a mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope. In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told us this story:

`A wealthy Arabian lady who was a faithful follower of the pope played a tremendous part in this drama. She was a widow named Khadijah. She gave her wealth to the church and retired to a convent, but was given an assignment. She was to find a brilliant young man who could be used by the Vatican to create a new religion and become the messiah for the children of Ishmael. Khadijah had a cousin named Waraquah,, who was also a very faithful Roman Catholic and the Vatican placed him in a critical role as Muhammad`s advisor. He had tremendous influence on Muhammad.

`Teachers were sent to young Muhammad and he had intensive training. Muhammad studied the works of St. Augustine which prepared him for his ``great calling.`` The Vatican had Catholic Arabs across North Africa spread the story of a great one who was about to rise up among the people and be the chosen one of their God.

`While Muhammad was being prepared, he was told that his enemies were the Jews and that the only true Christians were Roman Catholic. He was taught that others calling themselves Christians were actually wicked impostors and should be destroyed. Many Muslims believe this.

`Muhammad began receiving ``divine revelations`` and his wife`s Catholic cousin Waraquah helped interpret them. From this came the Koran. In the fifth year of Muhammad`s mission, persecution came against his followers because they refused to worship the idols in the Kaaba. ..........................

Here is the link for further study,

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/745/42/

.......... i am truly amazed at our obsession with hollywood and western actors - it would be a lot more fun to see sharukh khan (muhammad) chasing aishwarya (ayesha) across the desert singing and dancing as the camels watch in wonderment !

......... the only problem might be with fitting in the 14 plus heroines in a three hour film - even if he does three songs with each that is 42 song and dance numbers which will take up more than half the movie .......... oh well, we will let the professionals figure that one out .......

It is a wonderful film.
There has recently been a film about Imam Ghazali too and, I think, one about Mawlana e Rumi in the pipeline.

His film on the great Libyan freedom fighter Umar al Mukhtar with Anthony Quinn is excellent too.

Re: # 28
Kamath
Thanks. About Rodinson`s book I liked it because I was looking for historical data. Of course he theorises in it and one could argue that being an atheist he would not be giving an objective opinion.

I did not like Karen Armstrong`s book because being a nun and all that I found her treatment of the material very wishy washy.

Of course these are my prejudices as I have little opinon on divine revelations.

Neverthless Muhammed was an amazing , astute and charismatic person.

Re: # 8
Warrier:
Here are some info about the documentary produced by PBS financed by US tax payers about the life of Muhammad.

See: http://www.pbs.org/muhammad/film_fullcredits.shtml
Executive Producer: Michael Schwarz
Executive Editors: Alexander Kronemer, Michael Wolfe
Editors/Story Editors: Glen Ebesu, Gail Huddleson
Producer: Liz Gray
Director: Omar Al-Qattan
It has some well known advisors!

Advisors: Khalid Blankinship, Seyyed Hossein Nasr, Sulayman S. Nyang, Muzammil Siddiqi, John L. Esposito, John Voll, Leila Ahmed, Ingrid Mattson, Amina Wadud, Vincent Cornell, Ali Mazuri, Zahid Bukhari, Azizah Al-Hibri, Mohamed Zakariya, Faizul Khan, Feisal Abdul Rauf, Karen Armstrong, Hamza Yusuf Hanson, Rev. Donald Marbury, Susan Douglas. etc..

As far as I am concerned. It is a flop and pretty tasteless.

Kamath

Re # 19

``.....but well for some of us Muslims our prophet was never less than God.... ``

dude, get your basics right.
no one and i reapeat no on or no thing can be compared to god. the prophet pbuh as highly esteemed as he is is still never ever anywhere close to the creator of the universe. never

Re: # 19
``.....but well for some of us Muslims our prophet was never less than God.... ``

dude, get your basics right.
no one and i reapeat no on or no thing can be compared to god. the prophet pbuh as highly esteemed as he is is still never ever anywhere close to the creator of the universe. never

Raw_Dust,

Neither...let us assume indeed. Big whoop. She hersself became a seriously influential (not to mention powerful) figure who in the end had nothing but praise for her lover and Prophet.

So, unh...if anybody has anything to revisit, it`s all those who question the relationship...hypothetically or not.

Suffice it to say, marriage at such a young age was never mandated, nor perscribed...merely practiced.

_digit:
if just for one second, we assume that Ayesha`s age was indeed 9 at the time of marriage. Remember, i am talking only hypothetically. What would become of you? Would you cease to exist? vanish in thin air? turn into organic slush? a nonmuslim? an eggplant?

Maybe, hypotheticals are something you have no stomach for like presidential candidates.