The Canadian Dream: Never Fulfilled

Well Sama i have not been to Canada but i Belive what you have stated is absulotely Reight.
It is not only in Canada but in other Conuntries as Well, Even in Pakistan i saw many of the MBA`s selling Credit Cards and Bank Policies etc..! Some of the BS or MS are working as a Clerk in Some organizations.
the thing is not that Wall, and Holes , and these Things etc.... the main thing is to be at the Right Place and anyway by the end of the day it all Money which Talks!

The `serious steps` mentioned are way too 20th century!
1. This is the age of internet, if the potential immigrant makes a decision to come to Canada and has never heard of internet, better stay put where ever he/she is. Almost all the jobs, salary data, forums, help is available for a person to make an intelligent decision. If it is a push factor rather than a pull factor, do not blame Canada for it!

2. The Canadian are two steps ahead of this. There are zillions of settlement programs out there to help out new Canadians - the password is in `ENGLISH/FRENCH`.

3. Suuuuuuure! block out any hope left for `misinformed, i-did-not-know, stranger-in-a-strange-land` new Canadians.

4. I would not trust any professional not licensed by the government. I do no trust south asian, or for that matter, any developing country`s education credentials. Period.

5. Not worth even commenting on!

I wish this was digg and I could do a thumbs down on this.

I agree whole heartedly with #10 mhrizvi. I can quote myself as another example. I could not have said it better!

Cheers.

Debate is good.

``I may disagree with what you say, but I will fight to death for your right to say it!``

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Comparing Canada to the US is like comparing apples to orange. We are a small nation compared to US:

Population of Canada: 32 Million
Population of USA: 298 Million
Population of Karachi: Unofficial figures: 18 – 20 Million.
Population of Mumbai: 12 Million.

Plus what the writer wrote is partially true. However if you work hard things came come to you. And this is a personal experience.
If you aim is strictly money then go to the US if it is a good family life then come to Canada.

Q: What percentage of Canadian people are first generation immigrants?


Q2: What is the percentage of jobless people? My googling tells me that it is 6 percent. In France, Germany and neighbour countries, it is 10 percent.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070105/statscan_unemployment_070105/20070105?hub=CTVNewsAt11

is there any update on how the mukharan-mai visa holders (president musharaff alluded to this scheme) are doing in canada?

The way canadian immigration system has been designed is Unique and well planned. I don`t think you will see it`s benefit upfront .... well in some cases you will see upfront, ppl specially from lower middle class do benefit up front. When I say benefit, you see benefit as a whole ... from education to basic financial needs. A person who lands in Canada has a great prospective for his kids and also for him/her in terms of education and health...

The way the system is planned will help the country to grow tremendously in the upcoming 10, 20 years.... Everyone living in Canada will be educated ... Once when there is populations, companies and corporations will be built ... where educated workforce will play a keyrole.

Education is driven by socio-economic factors, in USA if you look at states and cities where there are lot of mexicans and afro-americans, the education system is screwed up...These are all availabe statistics ... will this be the case in CANADA? I don`t think so, why ? because all ppl residing in Canada are educated therefore the chances are slim...

I agree we cant compare canada to usa moneywise .... but, I guess with time canada will get there. The entire population of canada is as big as the state of california ... so how can money just flow ...

Re: # 44
It is my feeling the educated person is mentally handicapped emotionally.
Like when PhD driving taxi vehicle he is at sorrow like he/she lost paradise and it gives saddness. While people who go with no education has no great expectation, he was not treated very well in hardworking job in Pakistan. While when he goes to Canada he has no specialixzation or education so he is not shy for doing any job basically hard and he is much better and he can save money and tell them that he is at higher position than when in Pakistan. While educated can not fool back also as if tells he is in ``garbage`` , or digging trenches management he can not deceive. While uneducated is not expecting big job he may look for trade and make more money and do side job as he gets skills. Its mentally very hard to be educated and you leave good job back home and transform into unemployed or underemployed person. Also when you have no jobs even desi will give date. And too much sexual content atmosphere and all heat no light in cold night and racism against brown people in canada, its hopeless journey of decade till you start getting govt pension and cold and 10 month snow must be miserable body ravaned by depression and bone joint problems and slow medical help. I think is miserable for atleast 50% educated people, uneducated can do much better. Some times I feel its like war news it feels best about it reading , and exploits of expak Canadians. in moist humid hot sunny karachi . Hope soon winter is over and warm sun over canada.

Re:kamath#42

[..You are now really talking like a true Super Neo-Con vof USA !....]

Nope. I am talking like a true conservative before the Bush brand of Neocons took over the republican party after the 2000 elections. True conservatives like Ronal Reagan have always been fiscal hawks watching government waste and spending, cutting taxes for people and slashing regulations. On foreign policy, typical conservatives are not into invasions and nation building. They are for free trade, immigration that helps the country and basically free movemnt of people, goods and capital. The US is inherently conservative along these lines (even the democrats who got elected this time were the right of center conservative democrats). Thats why it kicks as$.

Canada is ONLY geographically in North America everyother way it is close to Anglo saxon U.K. or newly united Euro.

Re: # 41
Oh Boy Ranjit:
You are now really talking like a true Super Neo-Con vof USA !
You are really to show -or ape- that you are more American than Americans themselves.

It reminds me of a movie Marlon Brando acted in a movie once called , `Ugly American`

Not bad, Not bad at all how hard one tries to become an Assimilado!

Kamath

Thank God, the US has a Republican Party. The Republican Party (minus Bush) is what has saved US from becoming a Canada. The Democratic hold on the Congress had produced the great society programs of tax and spend that had brought US economy to a crawl. In the seventies, the US job market was similar to Canada in terms of lack of opportunities and high walls to climb. Ronald Reagan changed that. God bless his soul!! Reagan turned around the US and turbocharged the economy with his tax cutting, regulation slashing, free market ways. That unshackled the Americans to truly become dynamic and chase the almighty dollar in an uninhibited manner. That has benefited everyone, immigrants or otherwise.

Canada is a perfect example of political correctness on steroids and the utter failure of soclaist, leftist ideology. It is basically a backwater of the US, where people like to pretend that they live in a great country that welcomes immigrants, when in reality it is a socialist haven with a lousy economy and covert racist attitudes. When I visited Montreal, I could sense the backwardness and lack of energy there as compared to New York or Chicago. If you go to New York, you can feel the pulse throbbing with adrenaline. Montreal reminds you of a decadent, tired, old place. In other words, Canada is a place for losers, with the US is for winners.

#39 by bulleya on January 5, 2007 7:21pm PT


i have also never had any difficulty finding a business contract in canada


but that`s for super-duper businessmen like you who advise CIO/VP types on how to set up IT departments..(cough..)

......i have never had any difficulty finding a job in canada......i have also never had any difficulty finding a business contract in canada.......i have never had to wait more than a day to get a new job.........and the longest i have ever had to wait to get a business contract is two months......

........the job market in canada, for those with professional qualifications, is stronger than that in europe, but weaker than that in usa..........it is also higher paying than europe, but lower paying than usa (though with the steep decline of us dollar, it is getting equal)........

.........when i moved to canada from usa, i had the same job, but took a 30% pay cut in real dollar terms......and i would still get more job offers and business contracts in usa than in canada........

.......so if a qualified person`s aim is to get a really good job or make a lot of money, they should head for the usa and not to canada.........however, if a qualified person`s aim is to move into a more equatible society, while having a relatively decent job, they should move to canada....

.........the number of qualified immigrants not having jobs matching their qualifications in canada, will always be higher than in usa (or probably in europe also)........the reason is simple........canada only lets in qualified immigrants.......you have to have a bachelors degree with job experience to get in........and there is barely any illegal immigration into canada......the aim is to get these people into the canadian system, as residents, with or without a job........not for companies to bring in only those that they need..........

........secondly, the usa gives qualified immigrants a green card, after they have found a job and have been working on h-1 visas for a few years........hence in the usa, it is survival of the fittest for qualified immigrants.......either you get a job or you go home......so one only sees the immigrants who got jobs........in canada, every qualified immigrant gets in, with or without a job..........some will find one and some will not...........hence one sees more qualified immigrants who have lower qualification jobs........in the usa, they would have been forced to go home as they would not have gotten green cards........

..........it is nearly impossible for any country to bring in immigrants, in mass, and then provide them with jobs equal to their qualifictions.........the only method to accomplish that is the us method, i.e. the immigrant first gets a job him/herself and is then allowed to stay....

.........what is the solution to this problem....i am not sure there is one.........in a free market economy, money and talent will flow to where it can be best utilized.......in fact, after india and china, the third highest no of foreign workers visas given to IT professionals in usa are from canada!.........

.........the canadian society is designed to look provide facilities to the poorest and lower middle class, i.e. to give everyone a basic standard of life......it does so for everyone, incluidng immigrants.........the flip side of this is that there will be less higher paying jobs (though fewer poor people)..........

It appears in Canada not many people have jobs unless very qualified and good personality and good hygine and sofisticated eglish. It looks its tough country. I never see any mention of Canadian products or anything but they check people and admit people by some point system.
Also never heard any new companies by immigrants like usa. It may be like britain without aristocratic class.

I feel Canada is most advanced thirdworld country exporting resources and temperaturewise coldest with 10 months of snow and dampening inovative initiative of Immigrants ( may be 10 months of snow leads to depressive mentality) ?.

#20Legal immigration is always controlled by the host country and in there interest.No matter how happy they are ,it is either at the sacrifice of the immigrant or the immigrant country which breed them from infancy .....I fully agree with the post stating the fact in summation the whole truth and picture....Canada or uSA has nothing to lose but only to gain


#20`` If other PhDs don`t have what it takes to find a job, Canada has nothing to lose. After all, those cabbies are not drug smugglers and usually raise children with very good education, hence benefitting the economy in the long run. ``