Trapped, surrounded, quarantined or just reading too much into it?

who needs enemies when we have what we have.......... thank you for putting the facts before all, i hope they will be noticed.

Tahmed,
Yes, your bigotry and racism against Mohajirs is on record - right here on Chowk. As for lying, you stupid evil old man, you keep on accusing my family of looting departing Hindus. Produce one shred of evidence of that, you mean racist. :@

My family`s comfort and well-being is the result of my Turkish great grandfather’s hard work and generosity. He never, not once, came to Pakistan, you lying fool.

Remember what Islam teaches us about lying. If you don`t repent, you will find yourself sharing the oven next to Urstruly in HELL. :)

Waqt pe gadhey ko baap maanna jaayez hai - Message to Mohajirs

Dear Urdu-speaking Mohajirs,

I have no political ambitions in Pakistan and certainly not in Lahore. You have noticed the constant altercation between various Pakistani Punjaibis and me. My main interest in retaliating forcefully against these bigots, racists, and supremacists is to expose them in your eyes.

In real life, most of you have probably suffered from discrimination at the hands of these selfish people in matters of education, employment, and commerce. What you have probably not contemplated is the level of their hatred, prejudice, and profanity. Well, here on Chowk, in the safety of anonymity, these people have the opportunity to express their true feelings without consequence. You have read cruel and lewd racist, ethnic, and linguistic insults from Ali1 and Atif2. You have witnessed the murderous intentions and hateful expressions of Punjaibi supremacy from Sobia and Khamkhwa. Even Manto, Ally, and Aashee have used thinly-disguised methods of insulting those whose native language is Urdu and whose ancestors came from Hindustan.

But, the worst offender and most hateful representative of Punjaibi behavior is Tahmed32. This hypocrite has openly and vehemently opposed the repatriation of Pakistanis ``stranded`` in Bangladesh. He, among other Pakistani Punjaibis, uses the term ``Bihari`` as a racist and condescending means to lump all Urdu-speakers together and justify discrimination and injustice against us.

The point of my message is that we should open our eyes, be alert, keep our powder dry, and not let these hatemongers reenact their murderous acts against our poor, defenseless people. Don`t forget that it was the mainly Pakistani Punjaibi-dominated army that massacred many Pakistanis in East Pakistan. It was this same Pakistani-Punjaibi dominated army that shamelessly surrendered in droves and the cowards were escorted to safety in India by their fellow Punjabis, mostly brave and compassionate Sikhs, of the Indian army.

The Pakistani Punjaibis drove the majority Bengalis out of Pakistan. They are looting the resources and killing the people of Baluchistan. They have killed in Karachi and continue to kill Pakistanis in NWFP. They have alienated the Kashmiris, especially the Gilgitis and Baltistanis. Even the Saraikis, who live in southern Punjaib, want to throw off their yoke.

Please understand the people you are up against. Let us not be fooled by them to make common cause with them against our fellow Pakistanis who suffer from their oppression. Please do not let them channel our frustration and anger against India, where many of our dear relatives live. India has never done anything to harm us intentionally - the devastating bombing of Karachi in `71 was not directly directed against us.

I agree that not all Pakistani Punjabis are evil. Yes, there are quite a few who see the stupidity and folly in their fellow Punjaibis` insatiable thirst for power and loot. Unfortunately, the most hateful and prejudiced Punjaibis seem to be in the majority and are certainly much more vocal here on Chowk.

Let us be united. Let us help each other. Let us develop a secular, democratic, and fair environment in the areas where we dominate and let`s get along with everyone - until our own freedoms, lives, and properties are threatened by these evil persecutors.

As the Urdu saying goes - ``Waqt pe gadhey ko baap maanna jaayez hai``

#364 Imperio {``Punjab is eating Pakistan and propagating to be the saviour of Pakistan. I m afraid you will not be succeeded this time.

I also request my fellow young Muhajirs to fight for our rights and reject this terrorist MQM party. Our forefathers have done great mistakes by creating Pakistan and we have already suffered a lot. Now its time to only think for ourselves.``}

Imperio Sahib,
Thank you for your frank and resolute remarks. I agree with you - even about not following MQM, Altaf Payee, Mushy, or anyone else blindly. We need to think for ourselves, help our people out of poverty and discrimination. Mohajirs have plenty of resources - especially overseas. Many Mohajirs are working actively and donating generously for the ``unofficial`` repatriation of ``stranded`` Pakis in BD - commonly referred to as ``Biharis`` by the Punjaibis as a form of collective insult. We will succeed Inshallah. To hell with Paki Punjab. All other people in Pakistan (Pathans, Baluchis, Sindhis, Kashmiris, Gilgit Baltistanis, Mohajirs, and even Saraikis) want an end to Paki Punju Paindoo domination.

*370 hurling :)

#363 aquarius {``LOL
it is said, every single Brick, in any Karachi Building , could have been placed there by a Pathan Labour, and plastered over by a Punjabi Meson...
so please acknowledge the contributiion of all the enthincities living in Karachi....``}

Aquarius,
Right now the only contribution that the Paki Punju Paindoos are making to Pakistan is the hurlying of bricks by the lawless lawyers - the more desperate PPPs are shitting bricks.

#36 tolkinin from ``A Nation Reborn`` thread {``A leader of a faction of the Jamaat Uleman Islami, Maulana Sami-ul-Haq, criticised the move to make Das the acting chief justice. A non-Muslim cannot head the supreme court in an Islamic country as a non-Muslim cannot head the government, Haq said.
...Das is the only one among the supreme court judges who has a masters degree in Islamic law. ``}

Tolkinin,
Shri Bag One Dash ki Jai! :)
In my opinion, he is well-qualified to be CJ or even President. The only thing I have against Shri Bag One Dash is his education in Islamic Law - the term itself is an oxymoron. :)

As to my response to Maulana Sammy Owl Hack, I can only say:
``I will agree with you about a non-Muslim not being able to hold the highest offices ONLY if you are prepared to declared all Paki Punju Paindoos as non-Muslims - not just the Ahmedi ones.``

Re: # 367


Claims on each side ARE BAISED, this is an acknowledged FACT......But each side then, tries to distort the FACTS to Fit in with their version.

That why , I did not commented on it, and merely reported them, having said that...

My personal experience is different, I have live about 12-13 years in Punjab out of total life.

...the Hatred, which is inducted deliberately in Karachi, against every thing NORTH of Karachi , especially against Punjabi, does not fits-in with my experience in Lahore,

Yes I too was a brainwashed, and tunnel visioned person, and it took me 6 Years of living in Lahore, to get the venom out of my system, and to look at reality in a new light.

..they same , induction of hatred against , especially Punjabis , I think is still going on,
since NOW , I have Isolated myself, due to some perosnal reason, ....but whatever
litttle contact I have with the outside world, it seems to be gaining momemtum day by day
, irrrespective of the rheotorics spuned out.

I could still not explain myself my experiecne of seeing a 6-7 Years OLD , Beaconhouse student, son of a University professer , and a College lecturer mother , to use choicest explitives against Punjabis, irrespective of the fact that his best friend is a Punjabi.....!!


But then I console myself , with the argument, that maybe this is an isolated incident....!!


......May God or whatever is Up there, bring some sanity to this god forsaken nation.

Re: # 365

Thanks for posting so much links to prove the point of other ethnic groups...
By the way the research work by SDG is biased as it was headed by Sindhis. If it would have participation of all concerned ethnic groups and any international agency then I can accept its reports.

By the way I m not in the favour of MQM but yup am a staunch supporter of my ethnic group. Being from young generation I am concerned about our future and there is no future share of ours in civil or khaki bearucracy. How many native speakers of Urdu will be there by 2020 if Pakistan remains intact (God forbid)??????

Muhajirs are not 60 pc of Sindh but they r not even 21% as shown in 1998 census. It was heavily biased census with no authenticity. There must be now a sincere effort to know the population of each ethnic group of Pakistan and it shud be conducted by an international community. I would even accept Israel to do so but not the punjaybi dominated census staff of Pakistan under the command of punjaybi army.

It`s very easy by some elite class punjaybis to spread hate against the Muhajirs. Hardly 5% of Muhajirs r well off and the rest r middle n lower class. If we r so much advanced then y Urdu speaking areas of Sindh are in pathetic conditions and poverty???????
Elite class always remain immune by the way, whether of any ethnic group. So Please stop your cozy drawing room rants against Muhajirs.

Another historical fact, Muhajir high-ups have always been and still selfish and indifferent to their ethnic group. Otherwise we would be in heaven as Mushy is in power for more than 7 years but thats not the case. All high ups of other ethnicities support their group except Muhairs ones.

Ok here it is....

http://www.sanalist.org/Acrobat/SDG-CASE.pdf

Distoritions.......Again


Denoals
Abuse
Rheotorics......and more rheotorics...

http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/publ.html

lists some interesting research papers..

Mohajir Demand

http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/moh-dem.html

Mohajir Population

http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/moh-pop.html

How Mohajirs became Rich


http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/moh-rich.html

Discrimination against sindhi language


http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/moh-sindhi.html

Who Ruled Whom by Paleejo

http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/who-ruled.html


Entho politcs and contending Elites

http://www.unrisd.org/unrisd/website/document.nsf/(httpPublications)/49E58DAD1F9390B680256B6500565470?OpenDocument

this is a United Nations Research Institute for Social Development Publication


But the relevant portion , was taken from

http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/moh-dem.html

which is a part of the Sindh Democrats Group Petition ``Sindh Case``, a petition filed by Sindh Democrats Group to the Supreme Court of Pakistan in response to the MQM Constitutional Petition No 46 of 1994, claiming discrimination from the federal and Sindh provincial governments. It discusses Muhajir complaints at some length.



The relevant portion Para 8 Gives some interesting figures

8. MQM leadership and its suporters are only representative of 22.64% population of Sindh and 5% population of pakistan. This ``electoral representation`` of people who hold far more jobs (78% Government and 67.7% non-Government) than their due share (22.64%), most of whom come and go whenever they like from India, most of whom are illegal immigrants, have the temerity to demand, and then to kill and burn when such absurd demands are not met, only because, perhaps, one of their grandfathers waved a Pakistani flag 50 years ago in the streets of Junagadh.



These were also corborated by the Paleejo`s article , link for which is already given.



PS.... the whole case and its judgement which debunked the whole distortion of history by MQM were availble from this very site, unfortuntely I could not find it,

But I will post appropriate link , whenever I find them, for the unbaised study of the problem.

Re: # 359

The castes that you have mentioned as being native Urdu speakers is only partially true. I have met many punjaybis with rizvis, naqvi and jafri in their names. Infact they are common Shia castes and shud not be identified with only Urdu speakers.

Secondly how can u say that the beaurucracy wad 80-85% Urdu speaking??????
Yahya khan was an ethnic persian speaker settled in Peshawar who was the all in all at that time. At that time Ayub had already started the process of gradually replacing the highly educated and committed Urdu speaking bearucracy with the corrupt Punjabis and a few Pashtuns also.

Secondly this is an age old habit of blaming Muhajirs for every crime in Karachi. Settlers in Karachi are much more advanced in crime & terrorism then the innocent Muhajirs. I m myself against MQM and this party is also involved in these crimes but its not solely responsible. Punjaybis and especially Pashtuns are very much active in crime scene of Karachi.

Being from a middle class Urdu speaking family and from the young generation ( not like the bunch of mostly oldies in here), I actually know all the hardships faced by Muhajirs and they r still facing it. See the CSS results of 2006, only 8 people from Sindh Urban have been selected. I m afraid even half of them would be punjaybis. Punjab is eating Pakistan and propogating to be the saviour of Pakistan. I m afraid you will not be succeeded this time.

I also request my fellow young Muhajirs to fight for our rights and reject this terrorist MQM party. Our forefathers have done great mistakes by creating Pakistan and we have already suffered a lot. Now its time to only think for ourselves.

LOL

it is said, every single Brick, in any Karachi Building , could have been placed there by a Pathan Labour, and plastered over by a Punjabi Meson...


so please acknowledge the contributiion of all the enthincities living in Karachi....

Aquaris,
From Tower to Gandhi Garden, from Clifton to Manghopir is miniscule compared to the limits of Karachi today. Lahore was a much bigger town than Karachi at the time of partition. So, don`t even try to diminish the hard work and efforts of Mohajirs.

its not a FP piece....By any standard.


Beside,....in the last hour or so, I have seen the Hit counter jump from 3321 to 3566 Plus and growing...

#359 by aquaris,

Dear aquaris. Noone will read what you wrote on this board because it is close to dead. Can you do me a favour? Can you please brush this up and submit it as an FP article? This is the truth which remains sidelined for political slogans, but what you say is a historical fact. Please do it for the sake of the truth coming out and displayed for better understanding of all. What you write is avoided because it ruffles many feathers, but so be it. The truth is always supreme.

Thanks.