Why is the Government Dithering When it Should Stand Firm?

#11 by karachi01

``Kamal is admiring Altaf Hussain, who himself killed hundered of people in Karachi & by his thags what happened in City district govet session, where women were beaten by belts
http://karachi.metblogs.com/archives/2007/04/the_language_of_1.phtml``

You are perfectly right at that. AH has exposed his agenda yesterday at Karachi, which is nothing but saving the crumbling Matarwa Shahi by matarwa gardi.

The world has seen yesterday, the 12th of May, 07, what MQM can do to the economical hub of this country. In Whole country nothing like this was witnessed but when CJ came to biggest city in Pakistan (controlled by MQM (By Hook or By Crook)) and when govt sensed its defeat, they have brought there Terror wing in front.

Just see the views of MQM leaders and match them with footages ... Now they are putting everything on head of Chief Justice. Shame on them.

Regards

people are by kiano.and there is no way to get out of it.this 0 1 digit phenomenon can talk in your heart with out any device,give you dream without any hardware device,make you smell every type of fragrance and smell without any source.now in this technological advance age what will be the political scenario i dont know,but can pope of christian community can be called saint any more afterwards?although i m doubtful that these suiside attacks is nothing but mentallity of kiano.

Re: # 18


Utterly & completely respected Masadi Sahib,


Your fascination with ``peons`` is amazing. According to you, Universities (UK/US/Pak) are just peon creating factories. According to you, organizations like World Bank, IMF etc are staffed by peons. According to you, anybody who dares to disagree with you, on Chowk or elsewhere, is also a peon. That the rest of the world just rejects you and your opinions completely is a naked truth which is evident now to all concerned. But you merrily continue to ignore the facts and harp on your ``peons vs elites`` theories. Being an object of ridicule, being rejected by US college, local college, Chowk editors etc would make any normal human being search for flaws within. But then, you are not a normal human being, are you. You are ``perfect`` in a world dominated by the powerful elite and populated by the imperfect foolish peons. You are great because every one in Lululand says so!

I shall repeat my advice given earlier. Stop raving and ranting. See a shrink. Stop typing. Stay away from computers. Do something constructive. Join a construction crew.

Wishing you well, Masadi.

Okhla writes <<< Utterly & completely respected Masadi Sahib,
................. Come on now, accept the fact that some mindsets simply cannot be ``cured``. Incorrigible.Too far gone. These mindsets need to be eliminated. Like a rabid dog. For the greater good. >>>

Utterly & completely disgusting A.H.

Why the system you worship has not been able to make me submit is because I have developed ``consciousness`` of its shenanigans. That is the kind of consciousness that I was talking to thinkingstorm about.

Unfortunately, you being a disgusting peon of the system, will resort as matter of policy to forcing your viewpoints on others or eliminating them through brute force: Both signs of your weak intellect.

Re: # 16
<<< but everytime you cure one person >>>


Utterly & completely respected Masadi Sahib,


The US system could not ``cure`` you and had to deport you in disgust.
The Pakistani institution that you joined could not ``cure`` you and had to kick you out.
Chowk editors are trying to ``cure`` you through subtle hints- ignoring & rejecting your ``articles``.

Come on now, accept the fact that some mindsets simply cannot be ``cured``. Incorrigible.Too far gone. These mindsets need to be eliminated. Like a rabid dog. For the greater good.

Wishing you well , Masadi.

thinkingstorm writes <<< However, if we start engaging each other not at the religion, or national level, but at a human to human level, I think we can make things right. >>>

Of course but before that can happen you need a form of ``human consciousness``, which the institutions of the West are designed to prevent. That is why you`ll notice that my outrage is at the Western elite particularly the US elite and not the masses that are victims of the system. The institutions surrounded by which and in which your life is lived are the ones that are producing bigotry, you can try to fix it at the individual level but everytime you cure one person of this ``disease``, the system would have produced a thousand more.

#8 by cliftonbridge on May 3, 2007 10:09am PT

[… the govt unfortunately can not take unrealistic stands when 70% of the country is functionally illiterate and maybe more than that are either actively or passively complicit in the molanization of pakistan. This secular elitist attitude of yours (which I support 100% BTW) is just not catching on in dera ismail khan anytime soon.]

Dear cliftonbridge, one does not really need a high literacy rate to communicate to the population common-sense ideas! Sometimes, too much education actually gets in the way by providing a way to rationalize what common-sense alone would never permit!

Don’t be mad at HP, he is not the ``idiot`` that you called him – he just likes to needle people. (If he had stayed in Pakistan, he may have turned into a Bhutto or something – hopefully with not the same fate!)

Just keep YOUR eyes on the ball and things will turn out fine!

#1 HP

HP, HP, HP....what is all this babble regarding ``white`` versus ``non-white`` approaches to terror?!! A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. Period. Because blood is always redd!

You did not have a bad day at the office, did you?!

Re: # 11

The picture of a young man lashing out with a belt at a lady is truly shocking. And this guy is supposed to be an elected representative?

Re: # 9

masadi, first let me say that you express your stance eloquoently. It is true that the powerful western nations have exploited and pillaged countries in the east, and then claim moral superiority. It is true that ``amreeka`` committed a heinous crime in the form of nagasaki and hiroshima and had the gall to defend it as a good act. I get that.

However, if we start engaging each other not at the religion, or national level, but at a human to human level, I think we can make things right.

Mr. Kamal is asking for writ of the govt from those people who dismissed the elected govt & challenge the writ of the elected PM.

People like Kamal are interested in bloodshed in Jamia Hafsa, thet are looking forward another ``Golden Templae`` where these ``worried people`` were vanished when American forces killed the innocent children in Bajore.

Pls read & see the actual figures of what Pakistani women want from following link
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/08/world/middleeast/08women.html?ex=1307419200%26en=e2d514a70cc63246%26ei=5088%26partner=rssnyt%26emc=rss

Kamal is admiring Altaf Hussain, who himself killed hundered of people in Karachi & by his thags what happened in City district govet session, where women were beaten by belts
http://karachi.metblogs.com/archives/2007/04/the_language_of_1.phtml

Why women rights forums don`t protest on this act, Hypocracy, nothing more

“The statement of the week comes from our PM. This week, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz stated that the government wanted to resolve the Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa issue through negotiations but reiterated, “there would be no compromise on the writ of the government.” Why do we need to negotiate with people who encroach on public land, kidnap public officials and challenge the writ of the state?”

My question to you is: would you prefer the government to respond in the similar vain? If a group of people has decided to test the boundaries of the law, is it incumbent upon the government to respond by breaking the law? Granted that the mullah in Islamabad has taken over some property illegally, do you wish the government to not follow the law to retake that land? The response to an act of lawlessness is not to perpetuate that even further. The government has to go to the courts and follow the laws. It is a time consuming process but that is how a government needs to respond.

The government is wrong in negotiating with them, I will grant you that. The right approach for the government would have been to move the courts and get an injection against the unlawful possession.

That is the problem in Pakistan. People talk about democracy and the rule of law and the implementation of the constitution but when the time comes to show the restraints, they prefer the army action like the author wrote here, “Why do we need to negotiate with people who encroach on public land, kidnap public officials and challenge the writ of the state?”

You want an army action against the girls and the other poor uneducated lot that do not understand what they are made to do.

From a political point of view, I agree that what mullah is demanding in Islamabad is not only unlawful but also challenges the basic human rights. However, you don’t support any human rights when you want government to attack the Lal Masjid or the Hafsa girls.

I think the government response in this matter has been appropriate but I also feel that that they were forced to adopt this approach. Their first instinct probably was what you are suggesting, i.e., don’t negotiate send the army; but they held back and in the end holding back showed to the people of Pakistan that mullah is wrong and for the first time in Pakistan a political party got a chance to stand up against the mullah. That has helped many other genuine groups to protest the mullah and now clearly mullah is defending instead of being aggressive.

You see political and civil actions turn the tide, military actions and your approach of not negotiating does not help.

thinkingstorm writes <<< Let us recognize humanity in each other first, and work from there. >>>

Nice thoughts that act as opium to keep people away from resistance. We have been recognizing the ``humanity`` of all, it is the white man (their elite) that kills us like vermin and does not recognize our humanity. Everytime his BS is exposed, he resorts to moralization about human rights and human spirit and humanity and democracy and what not, his newly contrived master symbols that have replaced ``God`` and ``religion`` as legitmizing categories. This is the new opium for the masses, that means little to the white elite as they butcher those they consider `inferior` all around the globe.

Firstly the govt unfortunately can not take unrealistic stands when 70% of the country is functionally illiterate and maybe more than that are either actively or passively complicit in the molanization of pakistan. This secular elitist attitude of yours (which I support 100% BTW) is just not catching on in dera ismail khan anytime soon.
To the idiots who think people are only ``true`` secularists if they are white, thats a meaningless attempted insult to all brown people and millions of secular brown muslims, and it stems from inferiority complexes which you should just get the f. over.
Thank God for karachi where the secular moderate MQM can whoop unbelievable a$$, thats the only reason why karachiites can come out against extremism. Whats the diff btw Karachi and every other place in Pakistan? literacy. economy. Those are the things we need to target. And one day we wont have to fight so hard in the name of reason.
As for the global war on ``terror`` or whatever, its clearly got many faces one of which is s genuine desire to end terrorism which is not achievable through military means. The other faces are oil .power. racism. and fear.
We are the only muslim country who is nuclear. We are the country where AQ is hiding. We prob have more taliban contacts than most afghani`s. And we are non whites. And yet we were not attacked. What dont people understand about the govt`s policies? We are not being attacked people, thats a real friggin victory, ask the ``govts`` of Iraq and afghanistan if they have any regrets about the way they played their hands.
Lastly its a pity that many innocent people religious or otherwise are dying in the Northwest and i understand their anger at the govt, but believe me if we hadnt ``cooperated`` we would have had one big crater in the ground where NWFP/Baluchistan used to be.
Its not fair and its not easy but through all this we need to keep our eye on the ball...education.social justice. untill a society has that they have nothing. When they have that everything else is easy.

masadi and arjun,

Before you two start another free for all battle of posts, I think we have blamed each other enough.

Let`s try a different tact, how about let us stop taking about white man, brown man, muslim, hindu, indian, paki, etc...and let us consider that we are talking about and with humans.

So although, personally, I am often offended by the hatred spewed by arjun, I am also offended by the anti-indian anti-hindu hatred spewed by some of the pakistani`s. Why? Because this type of hatred does not recognize the other person as a human.

Let us recognize humanity in each other first, and work from there.

#4 by masadi on May 3, 2007 0:23am PT


Listen to the wise words of HP in #1, especially all you wannabes. The white man does not consider you equal


So you seek the approval of the ``white man``? That really makes you a peon...

Me, I don`t measure my self-worth by what the ``white man`` thinks of me....