Living Through a Revolution

Re: # 5
AK was a dominating presence during and after the revolution, but as much I respected him for his comprehensive knowledge,brilliance as a strategician, his integrity, his tenacity and perseverence, I failed to be inspired by him. On the other hand I found the lectures and writings given by Ali Shariati very inspiring, and reflective indicativeof a true genius who really understood the place and role of Islam in the modern world.
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Re: # 48
Hare brains, Urdu is a young Indo Aryan language whose grammatic and idiomatic structure is solidly based on khari boli like Hindi. The only difference between Hindi and Urdu is that Urdu has borrowed a lot of its lexicon from Persian and Arabic whereas Hindi from Sanskrit. In good old days both Urdu and Hindi were one language - Hindustani, one written in Persian script, the other in Devnagari.

If there is one person on chowk whose real identity I would like to know, it is ahmedmadani. I would go to Pakistan (which I am planning to do this winter) just to meet him. He writes with ease what "intellectuals" strggle to mumble. I reproduce the following (a point made by several big-time economists):

"Do not get too much carried away by corrouption.
If some body can give good goverence then pay 10 times one can look at corrouption as fringe benefits for good goverence. Its not corrouption but imcompetence that matters. Just good people are worthless being good. You get what you pay to rule."

Oh! How Chowk thrives at the expense of such characters like dawa-i-dil and ahmedmadani.
Recently I happened to visit Macdonalds in an East European capital. I found two dark persons gesticulating trying to convey to the girl at the counter what they wanted to order, they spoke real badly accented English which the girl was not following. Knowing the local tongue,I volunteered to help, and of course they managed to get what they wanted. Initially from their complexion I was sure they were Bengalis, but when they started speaking I realised they were from Punjab, they said they were from Pakistan, one from Lahore and the other from Sialkot.
One does not understand why some Pakistanis like these two posters I have mentioned are so hung on colour of the skin and how they are fairer than Indians. Fairer does not necessarily make better. These two obviously have some kind of a complex vis-a-vis Indians.
Islam came to India only a few centuries ago, but those Indians who became Muslims and are today living as Pakistanis have not become fair because of Islam, the Indians in these parts were always light skinned, tall. Even memoirs of a Greek soldier mentions that Porus was 8 feet tall. Porus was an Indian and so were all people living in this region. Mahabharat was written in Afghanistan about 2000 years ago, everybody in the area comprising today's Pakistan was then Hindu, tall and light skinned. It was preIslamic India.
If light skin is to be attributed to Islam, all Muslims of India Pakistan and Bangladesh would have been tall and light skinned.
If these two posters feel superior due to lighter colour let them thank their preislamic(Hindu) roots and be happy. Islam is a faith the Indians in these parts have adopted but their true Indianness will never go away.

Muhammad bin Tughluq, like ahmedmadani, was way beyond his time ..... as a result some called Tughluq mad .... his fort still exists .... once the surroundings were beautiful ... today it is crowded, polluted and smells of shit.

ahmedmadni sahib,

........ as usual, you are right on the money !......... we should all learn arabic so that we are not mistaken for madrasis and other inferior creatures .......

......... it is unfortunate that the muslim rulers of india were far outnumbered by the local riff raff ....... if they had managed to breed a little whiteness into everyone, converted them to islam and taught them all to speak arabic and farsi, we wouldn't be faced with the ugliness and other problems that we are facing today ..... just like in america, where you have to drive all the way to arizona to see an indian, we could have put them all on a reservation in madras and put them to work cutting up betel nuts ........ sigh ! it is too late now

why indians are so much jealous of farsi and arabic....

yes...they are the prime languages out of which urdu is emerged.....

our colours...race..traditions..rituals ..customs..resembles with arabs...iranis..turks..and central asians...but not with indians..at the least...

accept this reality...

why ndians are so much touchy about that....

i already have said..forget about "greater india" ..evcer...remeber ..the nuclear devices we have...OK

Tolkin/Harimau,

If Mr. Madani becomes the Emir of Pakistan, he will spend half his tenure getting people to start learning Arabic/Farsi and the other half getting people to forget Arabic/farsi and re-learn the local lingo. And at the end of his regime they will be back to square one.

Regards

Ref TOLKININ # 45

[you are like mad kng who moved his capital from delhi only to return back shortly i for get that muslim kings name]

Muhammad bin Tughluq

Re: # 38
"WE need to go to parsi language of Iran or arabic language. It will take time but once it starts then slowly we will not understand version of urdu spoken as hindi in india and people will nt understand indian movies, will break back of cultural domination by India'

You could not get East Pakistani unlearn bengali in favour of urdu you crazy go to the extent of learning farsi and arabic just to avoid bollywood .
what if its sublitled in farsi and arabic which they already are ....

Its not easy to learn any non mother tongue ,how the hell would pushtu sindhi punjabi blochi can learn farsi and arabic ...
you are like mad kng who moved his capital from delhi only to return back shortly i for get that muslim kings name

Re: # 43
Anybody who wants job can add few feathers by talking arabian

# 41, love the way you include earthy common sense in your posts. IMO, one of the best things any Muslim can do for his or her career and personal advacement in life is to master Arabic.

Re: # 39
Do not get too much carried away by corrouption.
If some body can give good goverence then pay 10 times one can look at corrouption as fringe benefits for good goverence. Its not corrouption but imcompetence that matters. Just good people are worthless being good. You get what you pay to rule.

Re: # 40
She part combination , her grandmother was hindu and mother irani so she is not extremely not white but her color complexion is evevy of whites and dark desis. As too white iranians or white race people look pale and have to add darkness to to their complexion to look healthy otherwise they look bloody bloodless race people without color. Look at dark in dians black and white photographs, dark are photogenic than white monkey people.Iranaians and indians are lousy people but intelligent and you add sindhi a good combination that is brain + beauty. Also note she has little quaint one eye its adds always beauty to women but for men it is a defect. So she can do little foundation and she looks pretty and khandan and upper class upbringing of feudal nature adds to aadab. Comapred all females presidents and PM she is one of most beautiful person, and she can pass easily as modern lady at same time can as act as a reserved woman. Her husband is disadvantaged in color complexion but also handsome man but old as they tortured asif to hurt Mrs. Bhutto nasty army people. While indian soniya is not good looking but her husband was better looking but she is smart and he proved no so smart. I think Gandhi had more whiteness than Bhuttos. No corrouption is not big thing. When you go at such high position it needs lot od financial investments and no wise man puts his money in business as politics. As mr. Masadi shown politics is concentrated economics. You can think corrouption in terms of lubrication to make go world around.
Arab language is better if one has to follow in economic terms. Iran people are jolous of pakistan. Still they can notfigure how with all oil wealth lying around they are poor compared to Pakistan . Why they are tech backward even with all natural advantages. Why they can not master nuke science or Cruise missiles or Multiple independently targetable missiles as Pakistan. They have contept for sunnis and specially dark people but they are astonished to see why they can not match easter neighbour. But it is not their fault as nature when gives in abundance gives less brain its idea of balance to world. Like arabs were intelligent when gas was not important , but now gas and now stupid elitist slaves of usa. Still arab is good language. It does not have pretece of sofestication look at what harsh pronounciation of arabs ( Specially KH, r etc like Mukhakharban ante , atc has earthy ness like punjabi). We need rough elemental language not class distinctive urdu or persian language. Elitist should be deprived of elitists language advantage or pacifist languages like (soft) bengal language.
Arabic will also add to biodata to get good jobs in arab lands.

madani sahib, it is one of the strangest ironies of history: the language issue which played so key a role in getting Pakistan freedom from India has also become the real factor keeping Pakistan from enjoying that freedom.

Hopefully, in future, Benazir might replace Urdu, Punjabi, and Sindhi etc. with Persian while Nawaz Sharif might go for Arabic. Do you have any strong preference between the two as the language of your own grand children?
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For Mrs, Bhutto, the white Persian, you probably meant: She looks khandani.

Re: # 38 for god sake...she made a crruption of Rs.1 kharab ...at least...