Good on ya Bangladesh!

Well said Ahmer

Its such a bezti to Pakistan! If Pak is to progress we have to put ethnicity and stuff behind and move forward as one country... the least Pak could do is give those guys dual-nationality (Pak Bengali), if it doesnt want to pay for their repatriation... but no they are too concerned getting Mushy re-elected!

Re: # 76 JAYP... your comment about 60% reused clothe is unfortunate.
They should encourage that practice all over world to save world from garbage. Reduce,reuse and recycle is modren way.
I call it ecotextile and people should make then popular.

Re: # 79
Arjun and jayp are miserable as they show us our image in our words. Most times they are giving pakistani sources so we have to shut up. They are useful for people to think. Problem is there are good things also. I will like both of them atleast mention some times which will even good for them. They do not give good suggestions but just condemn any thing about or related to pakistan. No point on wasting of this arajun and Jayp company of bad news specialists.

Re: # 78 Good observations about plight of poorfarm lands, surfdom is well and alive.
Bonded labor and even labors working on farm are site of misery and its well kept secret. As population increases and modern equipments comes on farms things will even get worst. They do not as a organised group so no value and written of as worthless. Other places in world/3rd world countries have farmer labor unions.Till unions does not exist pight will continue. There are some but effect on grand scale is zero.

Re: # 82 hope you are not in funny mood but serious. Your points are right at therotecal level.
Now we go to real school wher more than 40 % boys and over 50% females in rural areas never go to school as their parents can not afford to feed them forget about you "ARJUNS famous petting zoo army school". In such situation these deeni madrassas are doing much more than any body can do. They are parting some basic knowledge otherwise there will be nothing. Well to do people send children to english medium getting ready to collges for exports to west. Then below one tier send children to urdu school. Rest are with parents who can not afford. So left is only avenue is is madrassas. They are doing job, I tell not to say bad words as you do similar something or shut up. Nation is not worried about education they have different prioritie. The president and primeminister our pak lands are always v out and for change they visit. These frequent vistis or visits only there is no substance. I once calculated in whole 5 years indian present rarely went out of country our is flying president.
Main reason is they do not care or love people the trait started from start. Madrassa may be medival still they impart some things, it is better to have religious school than no school. Please do not criticize poor mullahs at they have sense to know education is must , other liberals as good as dead. They are not sincere to put efforts they can start schools they do not , at least mullahs are better in they act for they believe. Our great liberals are good for talk , but always missing in action. There are sysmatic problems with liberal well meaning good people, good for nothing. Actions speak more than talk. Few liberal schools now coming are just started by "education Barraons". Taking thousands of rupees and dishing out, they have no fee schools like "mullahs". I like mullahs for they act in what they believe.
People do no individual basis, like me many times give tution for half for deserving poor student but should be hard working.
Things are complex very large of Churchillan magnitude need saviour like Churchill lead nation here on education front but no Churchill on site.
All nation is mesmarized in seeing drama of saving of skin of president and lady is waiting. Most of these characters if lined up and shot nothing anybody will miss. Its very disgusting i always felt even life under british emperial power may not be so miserable, i laugh and tears come rolling when they take of moderation, enlightment, democracy.
Any way things will improve by default,education is not even least priority. People get what they deserve, they will elect gereal. When you do good things results giving good things take time, now all sinful drama is bad things will give poison frouts and then people who helped will feel anguish will cry in wilderness.

Re: # 81 Mr. Jayprakash , I saw picture manto is all right and atleast not hard on my eyes.
I understand your deeper point of self adulation of male is not very appetising. But such things should be left to person himself, self pleasure and persuit happiness is fine. I will request you as elder member to understand note and forget. This are individulal things. I have learnt bad way. when my daughters grew up their mother brought cosmetic and stuff. When my daughter came to me all painted looking very pretty and wanting to know how I look became angry and threw all stuff. And blamed wife and went out out to work and evening came back it was silence. Then my wife said little sick and does not want to collge then i got worried. And asked to calm down but she was very sad, she said she can go collge to college and etter to be dead.That shattered me me as I loved little too much. I took elder and brought stuff and only my condition my wife can do such childish things. And things went good. Basically let them do that ever plaeses, why not.
Women go on grooming all time and looking in mirror I think they want to get married to good man who can protect her and her children and and take care of her children if she dies and take care in old age, so they can mature gracefully. So good looking marry guly and bald men also. Women never really fell in love as men feel like riding to haven, women are very calculating and they are analytical as children are important. But men are at problem. they never marry for women for children but for just pleasure and children is punishment when they are born as punishment. Women are so happy to have child but men are just stunned and feel oh what calamity and responsibility so shy and confused holding children, miserable.I have heard many men even in west do not shave on week end and go on sleeping. Always telling women to keep figure but he is fat he does not care about figure. If women starting kisking men for not keeping figure things can improve.
My female cat goes on grooming so she looks pretty while male cat just goes on sleeping, in summer some times with legs up in air.
So this trend if men feel happy with good attire and picture is good sign to me.

Mdani saab,

Do you have any advice to the thousands of madrassas of pakistan, other than being an apologist for them by telling that what they are teaching not islam. Any plans to have an article or a post to tell that madrassas are the source of terror.

Some where some has to counter the reality of pakistan, poisoned pen is no match for poisoned madrassas with such spectacular results as 9/11 and bhumian statues.

From jang of today, a piece by a pakistani, very different from you,

"In breeding and nurturing religious militancy, madressahs have played a lethal role. The pen, it seems, is bloodier than the sword and this is perfectly applicable to our madressahs. They teach negation, and hence rejection, of doctrines, rituals and moral standards different from theirs. Hence, those who profess a different creed or have a different moral standard are looked upon as an evil. Women who do not put on veil or men who do not have a beard are considered impious. Men and women who mix with one another are regarded as essentially wicked. Those who listen to music commit a grave sin. All such wicked or impious people have to be reformed -- by the use of force if need be.

The education imparted in madressahs, instead of inculcating in students a dispassionate quest for truth or at least enabling them to take to some socially useful profession, indoctrinates in them hatred for other creeds. The students are taught that only their creed is based on truth, whereas the rest are an incarnation of evil whose elimination is a most sacred duty of theirs. The reward of performing that duty, they are taught, is an everlasting life of pleasure in the paradise. Most of the students owing to their impressionable age come to believe this stuff. Hence, when they leave their institutions, their hearts are filled with the strong desire to carry out their 'sacred' duty. They also churn out sectarian propaganda in the form of inflammatory literature, which denounces followers of rival creeds as kafirs, who must either be coerced into conversion or exterminated.

madani saab,

If one puts up a picture of oneself on chowk, and keeps changing it, it is a fair game for any kind of criticism. YLH is one of the very few who puts up a picture of himself on chowk, and naturally he expects people to know and comment on his photo.

zahid #78 good point.

mr. madani #77 well put. please feel sorry for miserable man, mr. jayp - he has to live with his misery 24/7, and can share his misery with the rest of chowk only part-time. :-)

MQM clientel has been playing the mantra of 'stranded Pakistanis' and Pakistan's responsibility toward them for a long time certainly not because of the pain of these Pakistanis which was overwhelming. Had human pain and suffering been the real issue then the same clientel would also have raised a loud voice against the pain and suffeing of the bonded labor in Pakistan -- stranded on the island of slavery. Strangely not a hiss was ever heard.

It's hard to say whose pain is more cruel -- of those who're abandoned in the camps and had to live without human dignity or of those who were also abandoned by the state to fall prey to the feudals and criminal busines mafia and have to live and work without human dignity as slaves -- but the callous and persistent silence of MQM clientel on the pain of the Pakistani bonded labor is immoral. This happens for the obvious reason that the MQM clientel has blood ties with these stranded Pakistanis in Bengladesh and not with the people in the Pakistani villages working as bonded labor.

Re: # 76 Mr.Jay are you getting obsessed with YLH or what ?
As you said so went and checked YLH attire. There nothing wrong , its standard dress people in court system use. My honest suggestion leave this stuff start doing something you enjoy than just writing with poisened pen. You really get kick by criticizing any thing with named or related to pakistan.
Any way good evening for you and all.

YLH,

I liked your new picture in the ilog. Long time since I saw a man with cuff links, button down collars and some shining things on the table.

I undestand that 70 percent of teh clothing in pakistan are second hand imports, that explains your old style outfit.

HP 53,

Thanks for agreeing with my assertions and here are my specific comments




"I am just amazed at your persistent idiocy. First you claimed that one millions have been denied citizenship when that was shown to be false you come back with this 1978 gig.
So no one was denied citizenship and some were asked to adjust their status in 1978."

In the earlier post you said that east pakistan was part of pakistan and hence they were naturally pakistani citizens.

Now you are telling that their status need to eb adjusted. That implies that the bengalis were not naturally pakistani citizens, their status needed to be " ADJUSTED". What does that mean my friend, an adjustment that was not required for non-bengalis.

"That change was important as the residents of the Former Pakistan were technically still Pakistani. But that legal definition is clearly beyond your puny little brain."

If they were still legally pakistani citizens, what was this adjustment, which I am sure none on chowk can understand. It is important to note that this adjustment was only for bengalis, which only your TNT infused mind can understand.



"Afghans as long as they enjoy the refugee status granted to them by the UN are not illegal."

So the afghans had a legal status as refugees because of teh UN, but the bengalis who are from east pakistan needed adjustment, eventhough according to you they were citizens of pakistan. Because of the UN, they were allowed to go anywhere in pakistan, but because of the adjustment requirements, the bengalis are in slums in port karachi.

Your arguments may make sense for the TNt educated pakistanis, but it cannot make any sense to other other than that bengalis are treated differently because of tehir colour. There is noithing wrong with it, what scout and hamidm talks about as teh beauty of pakistanis is a deeply engrained social value that guides pak policies.

I would appreciate you will accept the fact, another reality information for the pakistanis.

Re: # 73
Thanks for explainung .

Ahmad Madani sahib,

(ROTFL stands for)

ROTFL means rolling on the floor with laughter, which is my usual reaction after reading ur posts. Sahib, you bring out the truth in very earthy language and I always look forward to ur posts.

(I assume your are bengali babu.)

Yes.

(Always wonder what is caste indian political leaders of years years extremist specially from that area namely Charudutta Muzumdar , Kanu Sanyal, Jangal Santhal.)

Mr. Sanyal is Brahmin, Santhal a tribal, Mazumdar I dunno Majumdar is not a caste specific surname really.

(What was/is caste composition of CPM leadership)

All sorts. Buddhadeb Babu is Brhamin, Jyoti Basu Kayastha, Mr. Anil Biswas SC. WB CPM is fairly non-casteist in outlook. The ONLY good thing than can be said about them, else a complete bunch of retards.

Regards



which is from bengal of yesteryears and today.