Fall of Dacca

Re: # 134
Hear, hear!

#133 by muqaddam

Majumdar and Muqaddam bhais, not just the commies, but even the Congress, which entered into an alliance with these scoundrels just to come into power should be dumped.

Re # 129, 130

These scoundrel commies must be thrown into the Bay of Bengal, including Brinda Karat, Bardhan et al, all having extra-territorial loyalties

Pakistan kay Baigharat Rahbar



i got very nice e mail from a friend.please read it:-----

Pray for Malik Abdul Qayyum Attorney General.

A wolf in the sheep of skin

Attorney General of Pakistan is suffering from a chronic disease; he is dutiful and leaves no stone unturned for the pleasure of his lords that he did not care for his ailing health and at last by squeezing constitution and fitting a rod in a generals represented him as president.

Previously he went to Saudi Arabia for the forgiveness of his sins, but bosses kept him busy in negotiations with Saudis in connection with stopping Mian Nawaz, so he had no time to pray for his sins. Due to continuous official assignments he failed to care to his very serious illness.

Cure of his suffering is usually available in Africa, because this disease was transmitted to humans from monkeys. He is now billionaire, equal to or less then Benazir in wealth, so for him treatment is not a big game.

Since childhood Malik Abdul Qayyum was involved in bad society, today he is number one authority wise in ranking, army chief and generals were lick spitting on his shoes, he had the power to appoint or remove Chief justice, he filled supreme and high courts with silly wild boars (Judges).

It is true that HIV is a very bad disease, Musharraf also under go such test in US. Now when billion of dollars are in hand of Malik Abdul Qayyum, God is testing his patience. South Africa could be a good place for treatment.

Pray for his health positively. Dictators need such genius thugs to prolong their rule. Before infection Malik Abdul Qayyum left no (false) path to tear and torn constitution. Peoples who say that above disease is dangerous, apparently it did not true, because in case of Malik Qayyum, he did not seek any leave, even for a single day. May God recover from bad HIV disease like Musharraf is recovered?

Male cat’s life (Billay ki Jan)

There are many more top guns in Mush’s companionship, which have drunk “AAb e Hayat” (Mortal water), peoples are waiting but those are crossing sixties, seventies then eighties, generals which retired in our childhood still alive, sucking Military hospitals and Viagra’s free of cost, but God did not call them to heaven (Wretched of the earth). Such peoples have life of male cat, try, if you will beat, put in water or harm in any way, after some time Cat(usually male) will open one eye and stand up or try to drag. Our unfortunate nation has dozens of peoples with life of Male Cat (Billay ki Jan). Those usually take rounds of president house and on each visit, find some foolish “so called patriot general” in uniform to educate him methods to torn law and constitution. Some of which could be found around GHQ, president camp office or president sect.

Sheriff ud Din Pirzada: When he born first thing his mother gave him was soup of cat. He neither dies nor leaves the nation to think independently. Out of total stipend received for war on terror at least one quarter has gone in his pocket for teaching lessons of constitution.

S.M.Zaffar and family: This is also a famous family, singers, dancers, prostitutes and each type of profession this family has. Goal of all such family is to teach lesson of constitution and law to nation. Famous lawyers including Malka Pukhraj, Tahira Syed, Roshan Zafar and Nayeem Bokhari are the creed of this family. One in laws was secretary Defense committee (Brother of Tahira Syed); one is incharge of sports Saleem Altaf. Musharraf and Yahya type peoples like this class around them to tear and torn constitution.

Gujarat Mafia: “Naag e Deen”, “Naang e Millat” and “Naang e Insaniyat”, shameless and world repute sycophants, this group is “naang e namoos”, architect of brutal murder of Nawab Akbar Bugti, Jamia Hafsa, Karachi massacre and many semis legal terrorist activities were designed and completed by them. Return of Mian Nawaz from Islamabad airport was solely their plan. All cases against Benazir when Ch: Shujaat was Home Minister were cultivated.

Waseem Sajjad: This a permanent constipation for the nation, who brought him? And why he is sticking with parliament? No body knows, he appears from salve routes (Ghulam Gardish) and join dictator, then disappear. Who is this person; neither had he contested any general election. He is a permanent leech which sucks blood of nation.

Majnoon (insane) group: There are many politicians for which a complete medical and physiatrist test is essentially required. But those again and again appear on the scene of government. Kamil Ali Agha, Sher Afghan Niazi (Pagal e Azam), Wasi Zaffar (Long arm of Qunoon), Lt Gen Javed Ashraf (Forty siparas of Quran), Ghulam Sarwar Khan (Procured degree of B.A), Khurshid Ahmad Qasoori (When Mush started campaign of Sufi ism, he stated that his mother is Brelvi, and started to teach book “Amma Ji” mother of Mush), Ch: Shahbaz Husain as a minister distributed condoms to celebrate election of president, Babar Khan Ghouri and Shamim Haider, both swindlers of MQM, famous terrorists. Ghazi Gulab Jamal terrorist, other gifts in previous cabinet were including Neelofar Bakhtiar, Jammat e Islami’s Mahmood Durrani, Shahid Jamil Qureshi (Murderer), Hina Rabbani Khar (Girl friend of PM), Ijaz ul Haq, Omar Ayub, and Humayun Akhtar Khan descendents of dictators. Aftab Ahmed Sherpao and Faisal Saleh Hayat (both NAB defaulters), Anisa Zeb Taher Kheli and Mehnaz Rafi (Actress and dancers)

Tariq Azeem Khan (famous alcoholic and mental case), Umar Ghumman (deserter), Dr. AAmir Liaqat Husain (fake moulvi and fake PhD). Zafar Iqbal Warraich (terrorists). Salman Shah and Shakuit Aziz (both were appointed by neo-cons). There list is so long in Army Tariq Majeed (Butcher) and Ashfaq Parvez Kiyani (Abductor) is also pre-qualified from Washington, including DG ISI, MI and IB.









AG in London for medical check-up (18-12-2007)

LONDON: Attorney General Justice (retd) Malik Muhammad Qayyum arrived here on a short visit for his medical check-up, the Pakistan High Commission sources said on Monday. The sources told the reporters that the country's top legal officer was on a private visit and would undergo medical check-up.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=11796

TOP SECRET

INTELLIGENCE BUREAU
GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN
94-UPPER MALL, LAHORE
No. ARV/2001/01 Dated 29-1-2001



The President,
Islamic Republic of Pakistan,
ISLAMABAD

THROUGH PROPER CHANNEL

SUBJECT: SHEER ABUSE OF POWER/ABUSE OF JUDICIARY.
Respected Sir,
I would like to bring it to your kind notice that I am an officer of Intelligence Bureau cadre and have been raised to the rank of Deputy Director out of my sheer hard work. I have always worked honestly, professionally and with full devotions. All my seniors will endorse the high level of my efficiency, professionalism and integrity. I have always pointed out any wrong doings irrespective of any pressure of my seniors. I have no political affiliations, whatsoever.
I, being a conscientious officer, would like to state that an extra-ordinary situation has compelled me to address you directly as I feel that this very sensitive and important matter, which may have very deep impact on the future and present functioning of the judiciary and politics of Pakistan, needs to be dealt at your level. I am constrained to inform you that during my long service career in a very sensitive organization I have never come across of any such occasion where I was a witness to sheer abuse of state institutions including judiciary of Pakistan by any Chief Executive of the country for the mere satisfaction of his/her personal ego and vendetta. In the instant case, some important dignitaries of the past and the present are involved who have not only violated the Constitution of Pakistan but also crossed other human and legal limits. They have also violated the provisions of their oath, which they took while taking-over their high offices. They have committed such a crime, which no nation on the earth would ever tolerate.
The highly undesirable incident, which I am going to narrate below, in fact, relates to the trial of the Opposition Leader and former Prime Minister of Pakistan Ms. Benazir Bhutto and her spouse conducted by the Accountability Court headed by Mr. Justice Malik Abdul Qayyum of the Lahore High Court. The events which have really shaken my conscious and will also shake you and the whole nation are being summarized below.

With the start of the trial of Ms. Benazir Bhutto and her spouse in SGS Reference in the Accountability Court headed by Mr. Justice Malik Abdul Qayyum, the then Government ordered the Intelligence Sub-Bureau, Lahore for the monitoring of all the office, home and mobile telephones of Mr. Justice Malik Abdul Qayyum in order to keep him under constant observation. Accordingly, I, being the head of the section responsible for the observation/bugging of the telephones, started tapping the telephones of Mr. Justice Malik Abdul Qayyum.

First of all Mr. Khalid Anwar called Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum and told that "Somebody is unhappy over the delay of hearing of this case. He has complained about the case to Saif that nothing has been done so far and why has it not been concluded." He informed the judge that "the gentleman [Mian Nawas Sharif] was very unhappy" and asked the judge that "Now I am thinking if you could reach the final result within the outside limit of two weeks" and "So get it done on Monday". In response, Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum informed the Minister that "It is being done on Monday. After this we have to give them some time for defense evidence and then the matter will be closed."
During his first conversation with Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum, Mr. Saif-ur-Rehman directed him that "Kindly doesn’t do one thing. Please don't give any further date." to which the judge promised that "Now we are not going to give dates. We are going to finish it by the Grace of God. You don't worry.” In a conversation with his wife, Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum told her that "They have said, remove him" and on a further explanation by her wife, the judge stated that Nawaz Sharif has ordered for his removal because "They [Mian Nawaz Sharif] say that he has changed his loyalty." When on his advice the wife of Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum informed Malik Pervez (brother of Justice Malik Qayyum) of this development, he remarked that "But this is Blackmailing" and while agreeing with him, the wife of Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum concluded that "Yes you are right; this is the limit that justice should not be done and only what they want should be done".
In a subsequent conversation with Malik Pervez, Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum informed him that "Regarding the matter of judgment which you know, your friend the biggest boss (Nawaz Sharif) is specially sending two men, one Mehdi and other Pappu (Saif)" to the Chief Justice to ensure "that it should be done with in two days".
In a separate conversation with Mr. Saif-ur-Rehman asked Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum "... we need a place when our man can sit. Kindly permit our man to sit in the room next to your room" to which the judge told him that he "would tell Khawar Sahib". Mr. Saif-ur-Rehman then told the judge that "Then I am going to depute the man Feroz shah who will contact Khawar". When the Judge discusses this development/requirement with the Chief Justice, the Chief Justice remarked that "If we avoid it, it is better for us otherwise the noose will be around our neck if this thing is exposed". Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum in reply told him that "Khawar says that we can place the machine in the Registrar's room" like "when you did it, it was also like this".
Mr. Saif-ur-Rehman, in a separate conversation conveyed the directions of the Prime Minister to Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum and told him that "He [Mian Nawaz Sharif] has asked me to tell you for Monday" and asked him "Whatever you told me before, do exactly like that". Mr. Justice replied that "I am trying my best. You don't worry. You know how sincerely we are trying".
Besides external/political pressure, Mr. Justice Rashid Aziz, the then chief Justice of Lahore High Court was also used to pressurize Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum. In a telephonic conversation, Mr. Justice Rashid Aziz informed Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum that "Yesterday when I went there, Mr. Yasir Arafat had come. He was busy with him in a meeting. He [Mian Nawaz Sharif] said just wait for ten minutes, twenty minutes, and half an hour. We will talk after lunch" and told Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum that "He [Nawaz Sharif] is a bastard". When Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum enquired about the conversation, Mr. Justice Rashid Aziz told him that "he [Nawaz Sharif] says it has to be tomorrow" and enquired from Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum "Is everything ready?". When Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum asked the Chief Justice that "You should have told him that it would finish only after they finish (defense evidence)" the Chief Justice told him that "He was saying that just do it".
When Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum could not announce the judgment on the pre-determined day Mr. Saif-ur-Rehman called him and asked that "You were supposed to do it today". Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum replied to him that "For your sake I had to beg her lawyer. I told him that I have to go abroad, I am not feeling well but I have to finish it first". When Mr. Saif-ur-Rehman expressed displeasure over delay Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum asked him to "handle him [Mian Nawaz Sharif] and stated that "By the grace of God, this will be done and then both of us will go to him [Mian Nawaz Sharif] and seek forgiveness". Mr. Saif-ur-Rehman asked the same judge to "Give me 100% confirmation that it will be done tomorrow". In the same conversation Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum asked him about the punishment required to be awarded to which Mr. Saif-ur-Rehman told him that "whatever you have been told by him [Mian Nawaz Sharif]" i.e. "Not less than 7 years". Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum suggested to him that the maximum punishment is not appropriate as "Seven is the maximum punishment and no body awards maximum" and requested Mr. Saif to ask him [Mian Nawaz Sharif] to which he promised to le him (Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum) know. In the same conversation Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum informed Mr. Saif that "I have already done about the fine and confiscation of the properties" and "their disqualification also". Mr. Saif-ur-Rehman informed him that "Now more important is the state of madness in which he [Mian Nawaz Sharif] is" to which Justice Malik Qayyum requested him to "Beg forgiveness on my behalf". Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum assured him that "Under all circumstances it will be done tomorrow. We are going to announce the judgement".
In a separate conversation, Mr. Rashid Aziz described the madness of the Prime Minister to Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum and told him that "You can't understand. Do you know what he [Mian Nawaz Sharif] is going to say? He is going to issue warrants for both of us. He has specially called me and told to advice you that what are you doing?" In reply Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum informed the Chief Justice that "90% I will try my best to finish it tomorrow". Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum went on assuring the Chief Justice in the words "OK. Tomorrow I will, even if have to push it". The Chief Justice told the judge that he has told him [Nawaz Sharif] that"It is already written and lying with us. He can sign it for you on it and you can keep it with you".
In another conversation with Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum, Mr. Saif-ur-Rehman told the judge that he had asked him [Mian Nawaz Sharif] about the punishment to which he had directed to tell you that "Give them full dose". Mr. Saif-ur-Rehman also informed the judge that "When I inquired about five or seven, he said I should ask you whey you would not like to give them full dose". Explaining the strategy for the next day (the day of the announcement of the judgement) Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum informed Mr. Saif that "Whole day will be given. After eleven (11:00 AM), we would tell him to finish. After the interval at 11:00 AM, even if they disagree, we will not care" and "We will tell them, say whatever they want to say in their defence. It (order) is already prepared in written". The judge went on explaining and stated that "So after half an hour, we will come back and announce it". Mr. Saif-ur-Rehman then suggested to him that "Give the brief tomorrow but try to cover the maximum the brief the judgement".
When the trial of Ms. Benazir Bhutto was over, Mr. Shahbaz Sharif, the then Chief Minister of Punjab rang up the judge and told that "I made a request to you" to which the judge replied that "Sir, I did finish that". Mr. Shahbaz Sharif then informed him that "thank you very much. The matter regarding Ch. Sarwar [MNA], my elder brother has asked me to tell you that Sarwar should be favoured [in his disqualification case]" to which Mr. Justice Malik Qayyum promised that "It's done, as desired by Mian sahib. As per his desire the matter is finished".
During this process of close day to day observation of his phones, I was astonished to note that the judge was being dictated to obtain a judgement of their choice against Ms. Benazir Bhutto and Mr. Asif Ali Zardari by the then Federal Law Minister Mr. Khalid Anwar, Chairman Accountability Bureau, Mr. Saif-ur-Rehman and the then Chief Justice of Lahore High Court, Mr. Justice Rashid Aziz, under the orders of from then Prime Minister of Pakistan Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif, to hastily conclude the trial, announce conviction of Ms. Benazir Bhutto and her spouse with maximum punishment or seven years and forfeiture of her entire property. The Honourable Judge was pressurized to the extent that once he was called by the then Chief Justice of Lahore High Court at his residence to convey that Mr. Nawaz Sharif has asked to remove him (Mr. Justice. Malik Abdul Qayyum) as he (Mian Nawaz Sharif) has become doubtful of his loyalties. The Honourable Judge ultimately succumbed to the pressure and announced pre-written judgement against Ms. Benazir Bhutto and her husband by violating all norms of Justice, provisions of the Constitution of Pakistan and fair-play.
The whole conversation of these important Cabinet Ministers and the judges was part of the official record of the Intelligence Sub-Bureau, Lahore. I am also enclosing my affidavit along with 60-minutes recorded tape and its transcription with the view to assist your kind honour to proceed against two sitting judges, one of the Supreme Court of Pakistan and the other of Lahore High Court, respectively, former Prime Minister of Pakistan Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif, Chairman Accountability Bureau Mr. Saif-ur-Rehman and the then Federal Law Minister Mr. Khalid Anwar.
I would also like to state that I have taken on against the most powerful group of politicians, two corrupt and immoral judges and hence I apprehend that I along with my family members are going to be harassed and victimized besides a serious danger to my life too. I also fear that the authorities in the Intelligence Bureau may try to terminate my services on false grounds but fact remains that I am just doing my duty by exposing to you bad elements in our judiciary. I, therefore, appeal to your honour to provide me protection and security against all such dangers. The aforementioned corrupt characters have not only brought bad name to the judiciary itself but also the image of our great nation. I would also like to make it clear that I have no motives whatsoever but I just want you to know as to what kind of havoc is being played by such people who had made mockery of justice without fear of the Almighty Allah.
In the light of the above facts, I would request: to your honour to kindly take necessary and appropriate action into the matter.
In the end I would once again like to reiterate the fact that I have no motives whatsoever in exposing these bad elements as I, being a civil servant, was duty bound to bring the wrong-doings of such like undesirable characters to the notice of such authorities which I am confident would take necessary action. I would also request you to kindly keep this summary confidential till you have taken a final action against them.
Thanking you In anticipation and I am confident that your kind honour, being the custodian of the Constitution of Pakistan and a former judge of the apex court of the country, would definitely proceed in the matter in accordance with the law.
Yours obediently,
[Signature]
(A. RAHIM)
Deputy Director/IB
Encl:

1. Copy of the transcript.
2. 65 Minutes recorded tape.
3. Affidavit.

http://cryptome.sabotage.org/pkib-bhutto.htm



cc:

1. Gen. Pervez Musharraf, The Chief Executive of Pakistan, Islamabad.
2. Honourable Chief Justice of Pakistan, Islamabad.
3. Maj. Gen. Rafi-ullah Khan Niiazi, Director General, Intelligence Bureau, Govt. of Pakistan, Islamabad.
4. Mr. Jehangir Mirza, Joint Director General, PPHQ-IB Lahore.

Sd/-
(A. RAHIM)
Deputy Director/IB

There are thousand of stories of so called noble class spread around us. Fake president ship of Musharraf, lickspittle Army Generals, every body is naked here.
Earthman
International Professor

Harishbhai,

I said commies which include Prakash Karat as well. Of course on their side they wud have to throw in Aunty Shamim, Begum N Ali and those Geo TV reporters as well.

Regards

Harishbhai,

I said commies which include Prakash Karat as well. Of course on their side they wud have to throw in Aunty Shamim, Begum N Ali and those Geo TV reporters as well.

Regards

Majumdar bhai, how could you forget the swine Prakash Karat??

Muqqadam,

Re: 127

We will swap these wannabe "South Korean" Pakis with our wannabe "North Korean" Injuns- the commies, Arundhati Roy, Media Patkar, Praful Bidwai and the rest of the gang.

Deal???

Regards

On http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1187/913075687_c48c8e7f98.jpg?v=0 we can see only the torsos of the Pakistani chicks, are they dressed lower down as American cheerleaders, too? That's where the resemblance would be determined.

#125 is by Zeemax.

#123 Posted by pavocavalry,

I see your posts being red-flagged too as being offensive. This is the kind of skill-less lowlifes we have on chowk.

Now to the subject:

Inshallah when the us army occupies pakistan physically as planned by musharraf and benazir pakistani spending on its useless army will also go down and pakistan will also become south korea.hopefully as the rulers plan pakistani girls will also play as important a part as their korean counterparts.

In my assessment, this was the fault line which exploded in the Lal Masjid rebellion.

There was a football match between the Quetta team and the Karachi team right after the Op Silence. Cheerleaders were arranged to dance with pom poms in the stadium, dressed to resemble the US college cheerleadres. I thought this was very significant in musharraf's overall policy direction. For your convenience, I am posting this in the gallery too. In case it is deleted by chowk, the image URL is http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1187/913075687_c48c8e7f98.jpg?v=0

What do you think?

Amin sahib,

Pakistan will become another South Korea if the Pakis want to. Not merely because USA or any other country is occupying it. USA is "occupying" A'stan and Iraq and I dont see either country becoming a SK.

But one thing is pretty clear, at least some countries occupied by USA become South Koreas, no countries occupied by Russians ever went on to become another South Korea.

Regards

Re: # 121 i am not a perfectionist so contradictions do noy disturb me.in 1857 even after rebelling the sepoys wore their old uniforms and played british tunes.pavocavalry is a contradiction.however we have to admit that regiments were a british institution.

pakistan on the other hand is an undoubted failure.korea was developed well because the threat that the americans faced was far more serious thee and the americans were physically occupying it with their army.thus korean spending on army was very less.korean girls were giving good service to american soldiers.my korean girlfriend told me about this .Inshallah when the us army occupies pakistan physically as planned by musharraf and benazir pakistani spending on its useless army will also go down and pakistan will also become south korea.hopefully as the rulers plan pakistani girls will also play as important a part as their korean counterparts.

"Unfortunately for us, we have never had a Park Chung Hee, only Ayubs, Zias and Musharrafs."

Fuzair Mian Extremely well said. I once mentioned this to a group of Retired and Serving Senior Indian Millitary Officers. "The gr8st threat to India would be a Paki Park Chung Hee".

With the exception of 1 no one had heard of General Park. When 1 explained who was Park then they were so dismissive of Genral Park and said there is no comparison between Korea and India. (Of course there is no comparison India till 1965 was well ahead of Korea in all parameters and indices).

Then the 1 guy who had heard of and actually met Genral Park came and sat next to me and said you see these Chooths well Paki aint very different from us. Do you think these scum will produce a General Park. This person had spent time with the Indian Peace Keepers in Korea then gone back in the mid 60's to be unofficial Defence Attache and then post retirement went to Do his Phd from Korea in the late/end 70's. He had seen General Park (Col Park in the earliest avtar) have a look bordering on reverence towards the Indians (for the Korean war PK role) to one of undisguised contempt for their failure to move millions out of poverty and continue with rheotric most of it meaningless and empty.

Now comes a second part to this. A couple of years later at a Diwali party in Mumbai 1 met a Korean who was the boss of the host a distinguished retired naval commodore. This commodore was the elder brother of one of the Maj Generals who was loudest in cussing me for my remark on Gen Park and was present there. I toasted General Park to the Korean and while his wife frowned angrily the Korean broke into a broad smile and bowed. At this his wife got agitated and loudly cursed him in Korean, the Man also said something in Korean to his wife who immediately looked downcast and sheepish. The host asked his boss what happened and without knowing Korean I told him his wife cursed him for drinking a toast to General Park and I said the man replied without Gen Park we would be as welcome as a North Korean in a party if at all we got invited to 1.

The commodores btother the Maj Gen then closetted the Korean and asked Please tell me about this Gen Park.

Regards
Sanatani
P.S. And may Allah ensure there is never a Pakistani Park Chung Hee

Major Sahib,

I understand, if not fully agree with, your extreme reaction to British imperialism in India but I am curious about one thing. You use PAVOCavalry as your nick. PAVO is, of course, Prince Albert Victor's Own Cavalry (11 FF). Given that it, until 1956, wore simply PAVO as its shoulder badge (that's how proud they were of being PAVO), why do you use 'PAVO' as your nom de email? Surely you do not glory in their Imperial affiliation and are not proud of their service in suppressing the Mutiny or their Afghan War battle honours? I assume you were commisioned into PAVO or have a family claim on it but surely this is not enough for you to want to claim its imperial history as your own?

Not being facetious here, I am curious.

In another post I had written that the foreign policy tragedy of Pakistan is not that its governments 'sold out' to the Americans but that they sold out so cheaply! Look at S. Korea, they were completely allied to the US, even sending two infantry divisions and a reinforced Marine brigade to Vietnam, but they extracted a really good price from the Americans for it. Unfortunately for us, we have never had a Park Chung Hee, only Ayubs, Zias and Musharrafs.

Urstruly,

In the last few years, I can't even count the number of times I have destroyed your 'arguments' (lets call them that, instead of ravings) without even bothering to raise a sweat. However, this is really no credit to me since even a child could do so with ease.

FakirIpi, I shall ignore as I ignore all such pathetic people.