Talking to Jamil Dehlavi about Infinite Justice and More

Re: # 90

Apology accepted Mr. Manto.

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Re: # 98

Mr. Jinnah may be prophet-like to some, to the rest he doesn't even come close to being a Prophet! The true Qaid-e-Azam is Muhammad (pbuh) not Alibhai Jeenabhai

Besides, why would the world audience care about Asian leaders when they're too busy glorifying cannibals, serial-killers and mobsters?

Re: # 98

Mr. Jinnah may be prophet-like to some, to the rest he doesn't even come close to being a Prophet! The true Qaid-e-Azam is Muhammad (pbuh) not Alibhai Jeenabhai

Besides, why would the world audience care about Asian leaders when they're too busy glorifying cannibals, serial-killers and mobsters?

The Jinnah movie was fine.

Its promotion and distribution left a lot to be desired.

One wonders what was going on behind the scenes?

I do not have an answer for majumdar on what happened.

Ras

D-M,

The film was a rousing success in Pakistan where-ever it played. It was its release abroad that was the issue.

Even today, many cineplexes coming up start off by a showing of the same movie.

DM sahib,

RE#96

(Jinnah film's failure in Pakistan did come as a great surprise, given the prophet-like status he enjoys in Pakistan. )

That is the point. In Islam it is forbidden to depict Prophets.

Regards

Great Jinnah movie was failure due to lack of drama in movie and hero for general level people.

Ras:

Okay, it's different if he was born in Calcutta.

I haven't seen Jinnha but even if it was as well made as Gandhi, it would not have been a similar international success for the following reasons:

- Jamil was not as well-known as Richard Attenborough and did not have his clout in the entertainment industry;
- Jinnah was not as well-known internationally as Gandhi and his followers such as Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King had made him a fascinating character;
- To the extent Jinnah was known, he was known as a negative character who split a nation while Gandhi had an overwhelmingly positive image as someone who preached communal harmony and non-violence. Indeed, Gandhi was, and is, more popular abroad than at home and the movie did not do very well in India.

While the Gandhi film's failure in India did not surprise me, Jinnah film's failure in Pakistan did come as a great surprise, given the prophet-like status he enjoys in Pakistan.

Ahmedmadani sahib,

#93

Thanks. You have explained it very well. Gandhi wud have been an even bigger success and won even more Oscars if they had included a song and dance sequence. Maybe a young MKG and Kasturba dancing around a tree and singing songs.

Jinnah also had a lot of potential which the director did not pick up. They cud have shown:

MAJ(pbuh) and Ruttie having a song and dance sequence in the Bombay monsoons.
The villainous Dinshaw Petit refusing to give his daughter in marriage to a Momin and telling her "Kaan khol ke sun lo" and Ruttie and MAJ (pbuh) defiantly running away.
MAJ (pbuh) himself playing spoilsport to his daughter's marriage plan and Dina running away.

I am afraid JD missed a few tricks.

Regards

Re: # 92
JD should look forward to produce movie on ZAB and BB there is all drama all awams like.

Re: # 92
A successful movie needs drama, personal, political evenfarcical any way. Without drama there is not movie its documentary. Gandhi was produced by Bombay movie professionls and they knew how to produce good movie. Production was helped and bankrolled by GOI. They had Gandhi who's life is full of drama, life open and screen of how things went and people and struggle went on. His transformation from meek dark suit booted lawyer to a revolutionary making revolution in revolution and cofounding and stunning his opponents. Along with quotations from jewshish pern mr. Einstein helped lot. It journey of great transformation and leading of masses people unfortunately forgeting intelluctual greatness of Jinnah. It is unfortunate. As you know shallow people of hindustan like movies full of mello drama and all lectuerbazi tamasha.

Great Jinnah movie was failure due to lack of drama in movie and hero for general level people. The movie is quite intelluctual and needs some base to appreciate the move of serious nature as movie potraying great muslim of centuries giving birth to the largest muslim nation on earth and his intelluctual efforts. Awam likes tamasha as was Gandhi full of MASALA which jinnah was a meaty movie and needing culture as to enjoy culture you have to be cultured. Jinnah was playing all moves with great precision as chess player and outclassing everybody of that time.
Director choose wrong subject as Awam can not go and enjoy Jinnah as no dram there and without dramatic doings of hero , jinnah was like great mathematician like newton , Libnitz, Euler working on TNT seriously and making worlds largest Muslim nation on world. For success you need drama so it failed in popular imagination and did not catch fire. Like in england even at that time some faltu cricket swinging man was popular than sir Issac Newton. Popularity many times shows shallowness and vulgarity and down to earthness of personality as in Mr. Gandhis case as you can see his profane attraction to low class hindus to people of intelligence like mandela and drak mr. King.( as his life was drama or dramatic) He was cheater as everybody thought the thinks like them ordinary people. Gandhi was tragic man and Jinnah had defeated Gandhi and made pakistan and as you know about tragedies. Gandhi was defeated on field by jinnah and believer have defied his message ofso called "popular" as they are now as in usa and uk decadent white countries full of bad stuff and elites thinking. People are damn crazy , look we know shakesphere as man who wrote Hamlet, Othello, Mcbeth, Kinglear, julisis Ceazar all tragedies. Gandhis tragedy or his departure was dramatic comapred to mr. Jinnah's end dieing like mortal of disease. helped lot as end is great for tragic awam.

JD made mistake of rying to make movie on jinnah and tried to create nonexisting drama.

Govt of india and NRI put lots of money to make nomiinations to Oscar election. As everybody knows jews are talented and they dominate cinema in usa. Gov sent them free copies and money in cash and they spread money to all sorts of people which GOP refused to do. Also in usa it was subsidised by GOI and spent 1.5 billion dollars type money to "run" movies. All NRI got free tickets so movie went where indians were concentrated.
White just refused to see and most who saw said India is just country of hindus worshipping cows.

Now real movie god will be finally shown on general tv in white countries by news tv companies then it is popular. BUT Gandhi was never shown for general people in white countirs. In india it is silly many people homeless go there sleep in theater and eat peanuts and make dirt.

JD if wnts to be successful need to produce movie with drama. He need to study Bombay movie formula.

I have no good knowlege about movie business.
Good day

Ras,

Why did the Jinnah movie fall apart?

Regards

RE: #87 Dost_Mittar

JD was himself born in Calcutta.
I guess that Indo-Pak covers all of South Asia.
The correct terminology here would be Indian-Pakistani-French.....

RE: Manto & others,
We could concentrate on the fact that the Gandhi picture
was a success and Jinnah was not. The reason does not have to be either the persona of either of them but we need to
look at why the Jinnah movie project totally fell apart and why the Gandhi movie was seen worldwide and was a big hit.
This has nothing to do with racist-casteist...
Pakistanis need to look at themselves for Jinnah's failure.

RE: Tahir #88, no insanity here, but sometimes it is alright to plead just that on CHOWK.

All, any comments on Infinite Justice?

Ras

I didn't know Dude was a gali. I am sorry.

#88 by tahir

You are partially insane, get yourself treated before its too late.

Tahir yaar, you shouldn't be calling Harimau (ISlamIslam) insane because it was your very own compatriot Yasser (MantoLives) who called Jesus a dude in #8.

#8 Posted by MantoLives on February 11, 2008 2:17:41 am

As for Gandhi being a saint. Yes and 3 billion people also believe that some dude Jesus Christ was the son of God. Perception and "belief" doesn't mean anything. Facts are everything. Gandhi was a racist casteist Hindu fascist bigot.

Re: # 37

You are partially insane, get yourself treated before its too late.

Jesus was not a dude, DUDE!

Look at your own perversion before you start accusing prophets.

Any comments about Raam, Sita etc.?

Shanti