Pakistan's Nuclear Test - Ten Years Later

later....g'night

I had written a while back that the Iran war (near term or long term) was what would determine the outcome of the US elections, if a near term is sought then McCain is the choice of the US elite, if long term then some democratic candidate, of which I had said Hillary Clinton will be on top. Now it appears they have manipulated Obama on the democratic side for the prime purpose of giving McCain a victory in the elections, which tells me the Iran campaign to be might be in the short term i.e. within 4 years.

according to you "7th century "colonization..

His actual words were "and engage in debate with Massaddi Mian, a colonialist from 7th century and Mills par course."

The idiot that he is, he doesn't realize where his mouth ends and his ___ begins....

The miserable chowk staff had banned me for 48 hours after saying they will free me after 24, anyway, my two day old replies to some posts:

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Kamath quoting the PM in #499 "This transformation of institutional relationship ..."



Shortly after the elections and long before this PM was PM, I informed the chowk readers that the US was trying to incorporate the political as parteners with the military in the institutional power equation of this country, where the political as subordinate to the military but not as it was before will operate without martial laws, doing what military dictators of old have done. What the PM has said is the same in more neutral/diplomatic words.



HP writes "On principle, I agree with you. But Pakistan was formed on the principle of simple Majority and we can’t change that after Pakistan’s independence"

My point was not about the farce of Pakistan's indepndence where taking advantage (manipulations) the ML was able to garner a simple majority which was a "one point in time affair" and not something which can be revised (unless incorporated in the 1973 constitution which I doubt, inform me if I'm wrong though) time and again. In that context I had stated that any nation-state that would allow parts to seperate from it through popular franchise after its formation would not last as one.

Then he writes "Baluchistan influenced by other powerful states? That should be decided by the Baloch..."

Actually you're sending them down the same path to what the Pakistan Army has led us to. Any seperation of Baluchistan at the present would play into the hands of the US that is seeking such separation because of its location as well as the potential oil resources, gold and copper in that region. An "independant" baluchistan would be another Kuwait of sorts to harm the general region with, with an abnormally developed military, possible foreign occupation, and the same fate the MAJ has predetermined for Pakistan, impoverishment of the masses in a nation dependant on other powers for its defense. Now, once a nation state gets formed, be it with a farce (religious separation similar to ethnic separation or whatever), that means that each citizen has equal rights to the entire nation state where those rights do not infringe upon anyone else's rights, the majority in Pakistan do not suffer because of ethnicity they suffer because of dictatorial policies, and democracy moreso than dictatorship with a different name, given the situation is the best way to proceed. I seek further expansion of the cause of the "Third World" regardless of ethnicity or religion because our people have similar problems and they suffer due to the same system, a system much bigger than its peons the Pakistan Army, further division just plays into the hands of the colonizers of our people. Baluchistan should remain an integral part of Pakistan and the larger Third World where we eliminate our borders and separate ourselves from the enslaving system of the West, till that time, the Baluchis instead of asking for separation which will not change their situation should join up with the rest of the assorted forces seeking justice and democracy.



Ahmedmadni & Majumdar Thank you

Okhla, ahmedmadani said it quite accurately. You are just too goddamned jealous of me to write a proper post, and do not try to devalue the various jobs that those brave folk in Pakistan do to make ends meet, and don't worry about my kharcha, I am doing very well without your concern thank you...

Anil, get some English lessons, and then try reading your posts where you called me a colonialist because I support accord to you "7th century "colonization" even though I do not, then when I explain that those conquests of old are not described as "colonization" by anyone, historian, economics or whatever because they were qualitatively different to the European colonization phenomenon you come up with your Hindlish rambling post contradicting yourself...

Let us all offer congregational prayers now that this THING has been read 20,000 times, messed up with over 500 times, and failed to make the writer respond!

Until next time, ta-ta....

Re: # 488 posted by Tahir

Are you absolutely sure sir? recently a friend of mine came across such interest and he was being stalked by a person of the inclinations mentioned below!

I believe you...millions perhaps wouldn't! but as long as YOU are convinced of the verasity of your convictions, or otherwise, that is what matters....I think?!

glad we cleared that up

Re: # 499 Hope this imperial despotic bans be undone and let Masadi be allowed to express.

Re: # 499 Hope this imperial despotic bans be undone and let Masadi be allowed to express.

Re: # 499 Hope this imperial despotic bans be undone and let Masadi be allowed to express.

Re: # 493 Ahmedmadani and #491 Majumdar and #486 aDost Mittar

Now hear this!

"..The fast diminishing clout of President Pervez Musharraf has redefined equations between the army and the political class, holding out hopes of a revision of innumerable policies Pakistan had been pursuing over the last decade. This transformation of institutional relationship was most evident in the army's decision to encourage the coalition government led by the Pakistan People's Party (PPP) to negotiate twin peace deals with the Islamic militants who had been on the rampage in a vast swathe of the country..."

This is verbatim from Prime minister of Pakistan.

Kamath

Re: # 493 Ahmedmadani and #491 Majumdar and #486 aDost Mittar

Now hear this!

"..The fast diminishing clout of President Pervez Musharraf has redefined equations between the army and the political class, holding out hopes of a revision of innumerable policies Pakistan had been pursuing over the last decade. This transformation of institutional relationship was most evident in the army's decision to encourage the coalition government led by the Pakistan People's Party (PPP) to negotiate twin peace deals with the Islamic militants who had been on the rampage in a vast swathe of the country..."

This is verbatim from Prime minister of Pakistan.

Kamath

Re: # 496

sorry will try on UP...didn't work here

Re: # 494; majumdar

I read with interest your take on Kipling's Jungle book and the Bengali characters in it.

Could this be what you are talking about?

Re: # 494; majumdar

I read with interest your take on Kipling's Jungle book and the Bengali characters in it.

Could this be what you are talking about?

Okha you can criticise Mr. Masadi after you read writing by him. Other wise it is just your jelousy and envy controlling.
You should feel good and calm before you can read with prejudice. You need to calm. So for to listen few times to following bandish.THen talk about Masadi. The artist was in Lahore but newspapers never gave what was presented. A delightful presentation in Shudh Kalyan ( quite popular bandish)
http://www.esnips.com/doc/52e39cd2-a416-4a0b-b4f0-d018998a671a/Ashwini -Bhide-Deshpande-Raag-Shuddha-Kalyan.mp3
too much heat is getting here, cool treatment for summer.
Good afternoon and good luck.

Ahmed madani sahib,

Masadi sahib is one of the best writers on chowk, minus the abuse and insults. He has a different POV (I dont agree with all of his POVs) but he is rational and passionate about his convictions. The treatment that chowk has meted out to him is shameful to say the least. Any two bit idiot can write an article post on FP but Masadi sahib has been consistently throttled.

Re: Bong Babus - You must read Jungle Book by Rudyard Kipling where he has neatly characterised Bong Babus. The bandar log or monkeys in JB brainlessly mimic humans without understanding a thing, of course. The bandar log are Bongs and the human being is the Brit in RK's allegorical depiction of India.

Regards

Re: # 490 Okha do not show infantile disorder. You may not like but masdadi but masadi is unique.
masadi is not easy to understand like pure mathematics for retarts that does not mean real analysis is wrong.
Honestly 80% contributors have no mental capacity to sit at his feet. Many are like blind people who think sun is not there , its not fault of sun but blinds inability to see.
Good day.