The Aftermath of Musharraf’s Departure

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Absolutely right. Feudalism is a curse. It should have been abolished at the very inception of Pakistan. India did: we didn’t. As such the destiny of the nation has remained in the hands of these blood suckers. Hence our sufferings.
Saeed Qureshi

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very valid points.Thanks. Saeed Qureshi

Musharaf was an evil man, may Allah azawajal destroy him. And democracy is a way to fool people in thinking they are in charge.

An empire a kingdom + hypocrisy = democracy

US democracy is fooling its own people, the Americans, in exploiting Pakistanis and others. And Pakistani democracy will exploit its own people, the Pakistanis. The thing is that we have made our country a prstitute. Situation will not change by anything less than a revolution, or God forbid with death of Pakistan because of abuse of Pakistanis and americans and evil hindus.

I normally do not find enough inspiration to participate in any political discussion. It is all so hopeless. But at this point, I feel urge to share one of my strongest convictions. (so strong that I am posting it on every interact on this topic - directly related or not)
Gosh, how to say it. I will support only that government / party that is sincerely and totally committed to abolish feudalism in Pakistan. That is our key problem. People get excited about this or that leader. People talk about merits and demerits of despicable military rule or corrupt political parties rule. People get ensnare in a bit of hero worship. People get worked up with their emotions and erupt like lavas. But what we forget is the fact that no party, no military rule has ever made the fundamental change in our society; the only fundamental change which will take our country forward is the structural change to break the social and economic grip of bastard feudal lords. It may sound old fashioned classical socialist line, but the fundamentals never change. There is a feudal-military, feudal-political alliances which will never allow this to happen. That is why right from the start, when Jinnah and Liaquat have been murdered, no government have ever taken a single serious step towards liberating the poor masses from their horrible shackles. Even Bhutto, the socialist, even the Musharaf the enlightened one, failed miserably in this respect. The former betrayed the latter ignored. In the final analysis, they (and all others for that matter) were in alliance with those feudal bastards, (knowingly or unknowingly - the games are played in those circles in different ways.) So to hell with all the political parties; to hell with military rule- where country’s daughters and sisters and mothers, if they speak their mind, are raped in the streets and buried alive in the fields. What more despicable portrayal of a country can be than shown in one of Tazeen's iLog. And then people still do not see how it is these feudal bastards who are enemies and - emotions aside - are fundamental problem of Pakistan. With their firm grip on the politics and social fabric they stilt any real growth in culture, economics and arts. It is from that milieu of feudalism from which also all the religious fanaticism flourishes too.
We divided India so that feudal of Punjab, Sindh, Blochistan and NWFP can flourish. We committed horrible crimes in then East Pakistan so that Majeeb could not come to power and break the power of feudalism. We build nukes so feudal can be safe. Hell all. This is real blindness. We don't see the real enemies and are swayed by one or other hero worship. Messiahs will keep coming and leading us nowhere until people are blind and do not see their enemies and their own power. How they will see it. I don't know. If history is any evidence, then it will be through hell of bloodbath.

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hp,

..... i agree with you with one exception - it will take a lot longer than 5-10 years for things to be really different and things will get worse before they get better ....... the present crop of politicians and generals cannot bring about this change ...... and then there is this islam thing which is a crazy wild card ......

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Leadenwinter, I totally agree with your views. Having taught Pakistani students mostly male, for the past 10 years, I am of a very solid opinion now that the kind of democracy that exists in Pakistan is never going to work for Pakistan. A lot better than this democracy is Martial Law!!!!
I wonder what these Pakistanis who have voted for Zardari and Sharif, would have done if the Khilafat system were brought back? Would they have accepted the Caliphs?
Democracy is for people who understand what democracy means, not for morons!!!!
I am so disapointed with what the Pakistanis have brought on themselves by voting for these two parties that I almost wish for the Mullahs, the so-called true Muslims, to take over the Government and implement Shariah as they define it!!!!!
Oh how I would love it!!!!
How I would relish the sight of all these over-active, masculine-females, rolling on the roads with banners, shouting obscenities in the name of Political Activism, in shuttle-cork burqas!!
How I would enjoy to see Zardari and Sharif with beards, bowing before the Caliph!!!!!
But ofcourse, that will be the day when I will burn my Passport!!!!!!!!

Can any Paki explain, how Musharraf's removal and restoration of SC judges will change Pakistan's fate?
Musa had swindled USA Bns of USDs and poured that in Pakistan. At least, you should be grateful to him.

Mr. Qureshi,

After 20 years of experience in journalism, it is indeed sad that you believe MQM supports Musharraf because Musharraf is an immigrant.

If only you considered MQM as a genuine political force you would understand the reasons of supporting Musharraf.

For once, a leader stood up against forces of corruption and militancy. He is gone now and will be remembered by me as the only real leader after Jinnah.

I think you need to be a bit more objective when it comes to analyzing Musharraf, MQM and politics in general. Not everone votes based on ethnicity.

Hamid, A few more comments for your benefit.

The army has ruled the country since 1954 pretty much w/o any hindrance. Generals don't respect politics and politicians and most of the politicians know that. Why do you think Nawaz is always so indignant? Why he is always taking a hard-line? Simply because he knows what he is dealing with. We also must understand that the army and its agencies have deep penetration in all political parties. Some leaders can't even trust their closest allies. Zardari is surrounded by people whose loyalties are questionable. Look at Maulana Fazal. Do Zardari and Nawaz not know him well? But they still pretend to respect him. Why Musharraf till the end kept saying that Zardari, Fazal and Asfandyar were in his pockets. It is not these guys are sold but they are so badly and shrewdly trapped, that they just can't confront the army head on.

Democracy is still a long way off in Pakistan. What Zardari and Nawaz are trying to achieve is some partnership with the army where they at least share 50% of the power. It will take some time before Pakistanis would get close to breaking the army hold.

We should look at the Guard of Honor to Musharraf in this context and what Talat(Live with Talat show on aaj TV) has brought out in the open. He kind of forced every participant to speak up. And in the end all of them were talking about the army. We need more of this on consistent basis so that people learn to criticize the army openly and be prepared to face the consequences.

#8 Posted by hamidm2
“somehow musharraf's departure feels like having sex with a twenty dollar whore - you get some satisfaction, but you feel dirty and don't want to stay and light up a cigarette ..... i think a shower is in order ..... makes you wonder if an earlier cold shower might have been even better .......�

Very true. I share your thoughts.I found the post below on another forum and I am reposting it here with a few changes.
I think this is closer to what I was thinking of writing. I hope this makes some sense for you.

"The important thing people are forgetting is that it’s just a mask (Musharraf) which is removed. The system there which is the culprit is still strong. Musharraf is not the name of a man, he is the name of a system. It changes its name, Ayub, Yahya, Zia, and Musharraf. Sometimes it comes on in with a variation, slightly less malignant or may be slightly benign form with names of Bhutto (much better form really, am not trying to really let down him, but he did transform later on to the similar mode), Nawaz Sharif, BB, Zardari. So the system is still there, hidden and invisible, yet very clear to many, that rules the country. It’s very long and tough route to get the real democracy and independence.

If this system or mafia continues in its benign form with names like NS, AZ or whoever, it’s still better, a bonus I believe. We will one day perhaps achieve what is needed. But it might takeover again in a malignant mode with names like Ayub, Zia and Musharraf then it will be tough to defeat it. The democracy must continue in whatever form it is. The media and the civil society will bring the change gradually. Now the test is for the politicians. Over the next one to 2 years our politicians will be exposed. I wish they are not taken over by the army, rather this process continues, and the change will happen. The change will be either in the form of new leaders’ emerging or the same parties changing their attitude and approach towards the people and their problems. They need to evolve now.
The country has entered 21st century but the army leadership still lives in the 18th century, where they are worshiped by their workers and servants and that gives them the birth right to rule forever.

The times have changed all over but need to further change in Pakistan. Maybe in the next 5-10 years things will be different. We should not expect a rapid change, and at the same time the change does not come so easily. We have to go through a tough time and then only we will deserve that change. The time is yet to come. Hopefully, we will go through the grinding machine with some sanity still left.

Abhi kundan ban'ney mein kuch der baki hai, aur abhi lohey ko mazeed aag se guzarna hai, Azadi plate mein nahin milti. Musharraf ke chaley janey se aazadi milni hoti tou aur kia chahye tha.

It’s a whole layer over layer which we need to peel off before we reach the real democracy and independence.

We will achieve the aims and objectives, but just remember the struggle is not yet over."

Letters from dawn.com of today.


Tribal people’s problems



Is the military operation in the tribal areas right or wrong? Should the Army respond to these militants, and will this military operation prove successful or not? Though everyone is talking about these things, no one is looking at the sufferings and the difficulties that the people of Swat and the tribal areas are facing.

Curfew and other kinds of restrictions are constantly adding to their difficulties. They experience a shortage of food and other edibles. They also feel hesitant in sending their children to schools because of the threats by militants. A valley that was famous for its natural beauty has now turned into terror. Tourism is no more possible due to which businesses of these tribal people are badly affected. They, in search of better opportunities, have started migrating to safer places which is also leading them to facing settlement problems in their own country.

Who will solve their problems? Who will provide the basic necessities to these families whose bread earners were either killed by terrorists or kept hostage by Fazlullah’s men? Who will support them? Who will establish the writ of the government? Obviously our security forces are meant to fulfill this responsibility. After many talks, the government had been left with no option but to launch the military operation. It is upon the people of Pakistan to support the NWFP government, Center and the security forces so that they eliminate the menace of terrorism once and for all and return Swat to being a place of peace, tranquility and harmony.

At the same time it is upon the government to rehabilitate the uprooted people and restore their businesses as early as possible.

HINA ABID
Faisalabad








Who are these Shariah-mongers?



AS a citizen of this area (Swat) I have been facing a lot of difficulties due to the current military operation against the militants. As a student of University, I can not get the required education freely.

The opportunity of progressing and building up my knowledge are very dark. I as a woman today can not step out of my house. Recently militants have torched four schoolgirls in Swat. Just the thought of this makes me shiver.

How can someone do such a horrible and torching thing to small little schoolgirls? Was this torch their fate? No! This was not their fate; it was an act of total ignorance of the bunch of some extremists and fundamentalists. I ask one question from these militants: are they really Muslims?

Islam never taught us to torch small innocent children. This is not what Islam teaches us. When Allah Himself says through the Holy Quran that education is for everyone. When Allah Almighty has not restricted education just to boys or men, then who are these militants to question Allah, who are they?

I would like to tell these fundamentalist to first read the Holy Quran very, very carefully and understand its teachings, then come on the streets to hold the flag of Islam. Islam is the most liberal religion. This bunch of extremists has read the Holy Quran but they have only read and not understood the true meaning of the teaching.

Coming towards the government which is carrying the military operation in Swat, I ask them as to why they hadn’t stopped the militants earlier. Why all of a sudden have they taken this action? If the government had acted on time, things would have been much better. Why didn’t the government keep a strict security check on the western border?

Today these militants are living in Pakistan as if they own the whole country, and their rules are the only rules. They are the only sovereign rulers of our country. They have this much courage that they can threaten us anytime they want.

This military operation which the government has launched in Swat is failing miserably and we are gaining nothing but bloodshed.

Almost every day bodies of soldiers are brought from Swat. I would urge the government to give us back our peace and tranquility.

QANETA NOOR
Peshawar

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hp mian,

..... somehow musharraf's departure feels like having sex with a twenty dollar whore - you get some satisfaction, but you feel dirty and don't want to stay and light up a cigarette ..... i think a shower is in order ..... makes you wonder if an earlier cold shower might have been even better .......

Judges will be restored but constitutional amendments are needed so there is no repeat of Dogar.

Army is not afraid of Judges...

However, The Mushy departure is a set back to the army. This was not planned in July last year. I will write a post later. I feel like taking a little nap right now!

sorry forgot to sign the post,

Have a good day,

TNI masadi

Hp sahib

How goes? I think they have sacrificed their peon just so that the CJ is not restored. I don't think the army has been weakened by the departure of Musharraf, if he exited while in uniform that would have been a different issue. The army will oppose the restoration of the CJ and the deposed judges, according to my calucluation and this move has weakend the lawyer's movement as they will manipulate the exit of Nawaz Sharif from that movement...

Masadi,

Whatever the army and the US intentions, politics and politicians need to find their way from an adverse situation to a better situation.
That is how the game is played. I don't think army can stop the politicians now unless the politicians again give the army a chance to come back to the power.
Yes, they wanted a better face a different face but in the process they lost their face and now if the CJ is restored, the army will be further weakened.